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i think they are just trying to help it grow, i mean sc will always be a korean thing that foreigners can dream of, while sc2 is raking in huge cash wads. So i mean they are obviously not in it for money, but the game is the more popular now, and trying to mainstream it with those types of terms cant be that harmful to korean esports, but if you just meant bw in general, then i think yeah i guess it is kind of shitty.
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
i think they are just trying to help it grow, i mean sc will always be a korean thing that foreigners can dream of, while sc2 is raking in huge cash wads. So i mean they are obviously not in it for money, but the game is the more popular now, and trying to mainstream it with those types of terms cant be that harmful to korean esports, but if you just meant bw in general, then i think yeah i guess it is kind of shitty. | ||
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gaiabulbanix
Thailand76 Posts
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-Desu-
Turkey173 Posts
both games are good, but bw is old and gonna die soon, your feelings or your precious memories of bw won't change anything, we will all remember bw as best game ever and that's it please get over it... | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On August 11 2010 22:48 -Desu- wrote: bw is gonna die Keep telling yourself that. Also, what the hell's your problem? Many people still prefer BW to SC2, a BW forum still exists, there's nothing wrong with making threads about BW... | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 11 2010 22:48 -Desu- wrote: bw is gonna die, sc2 will live, eventually, and also life sucks... so yeah please get over it already and stop making threads about how good bw is. both games are good, but bw is old and gonna die soon, your feelings or your precious memories of bw won't change anything, we will all remember bw as best game ever and that's it please get over it... Just kids like you who never experienced the joy of BW that say that. You look at our woody figurine with envy because you how much fun, excitement and enjoyment we have with it. And in retaliation you hype up your buzzlightyear figurine, screaming and shouting that woody is old! Woody is dated. Buzzlightyear is new HES BETTER. | ||
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-Desu-
Turkey173 Posts
I don't keep telling that to my self. In fact, I am a huge fan of bw and bw pro scene, don't worry I am as sad as you because of the fact that it will die. I only say that when I see someone create about why should bw must live, afraiding too much of the fact that it's gonna die. anyway, I don't pick a side I love both games. But it's reality, companies will go where the money goes. The all-fancy ceremonies, commentators, teams you are watching and enjoying is there for the money cycle in the business, the money already started to cycle for sc2, I am sorry.. On August 11 2010 23:03 ShadeR wrote: Just kids like you who never experienced the joy of BW that say that. You look at our woody figurine with envy because you how much fun, excitement and enjoyment we have with it. And in retaliation you hype up your buzzlightyear figurine, screaming and shouting that woody is old! Woody is dated. Buzzlightyear is new HES BETTER. to clear up somethings, I am 26 years old and I started to play starcraft since starcraft:original, oh man you have no idea how much I experienced the joy of the game. and as I stated above, I am not saying sc 2 is better because it's new. Bw will die because money and proscene will follow sc2. try to understand what I am saying here don't create a stereotype, as I said I like both games, and bw is the best game ever released imo.. I hope I could explain myself that I am not looking at the case as a 9-years old boy as you tried to reflect me shader. to sum up: OP's like these totally ignore the fact that both games can live together if community wishes to... there can be a bw proscene and sc2 proscene, but being so fanatic and raging on ppl who chooses to watch sc2 streams? please.. | ||
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Garrl
Scotland1982 Posts
Watch as Blizzard fails to balance SC2 with hundreds of patches, meaning both the game will be imbalanced and the metagame won't develop - BW was their only real balanced game with very few balance patches. In WC2 and WC3, orcs were hilariously imbalanced, regarding WoW's balance, well, FOTM combinations every month arise. Watch as Blizzard don't do anything regarding hard counter mechanisms and dull hard counter triangles. Watch as the map pool stagnates because people can't ladder on tournament maps (see iCCup putting Courage/Korean tournament maps on their ladder map pool) Watch as the hype dies in a few months when everyone gets bored of SC2 and moves back onto CS:S and WoW, and SC becomes niche again. Watch as ActiviBlizzard tries to milk the game and it's "proscene" for all it's worth. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On August 11 2010 22:48 -Desu- wrote: bw is gonna die, sc2 will live, eventually, and also life sucks... so yeah please get over it already and stop making threads about how good bw is (regarding the war between SC2 and BW, and BW will prevail). both games are good, but bw is old and gonna die soon, your feelings or your precious memories of bw won't change anything, we will all remember bw as best game ever and that's it please get over it... LOL a game that has no fucking LAN latency nor chat rooms (essential for the social aspect of the game) will be more successful? Let alone become an esport hahaha I'm sure it will live up to its name. BW on the other hand is still stronger than ever. Do you not see the LR threads? Also if you want your precious SC2 to become a esport then tell Blizzard to get their head out of their asses and make it somewhat fun/challenging. Until then I will continue to play the more fun and challenging (as well as better) game. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8204 Posts
On August 11 2010 22:48 -Desu- wrote: bw is gonna die, sc2 will live, eventually, and also life sucks... so yeah please get over it already and stop making threads about how good bw is (regarding the war between SC2 and BW, and BW will prevail). both games are good, but bw is old and gonna die soon, your feelings or your precious memories of bw won't change anything, we will all remember bw as best game ever and that's it please get over it... BW scene is very lively while SC2 hasn't had a single major tournament yet. Therefore, I wouuld really know what you are basing your assumptions on... I don't think SC2 has the potential to be a great esport discipline. And I don't think Korean scene which has a way more serious approach of the game than foreigners is gonna swap unless they really see an opportunity there. So you talk out of nothing. From what I have seen, SC2 is clearly inferior to BW in terms of -Micro / distribution of units ("intelligent" gimmicky grouping / stuff like mines, lurkers etc...) -Macro -Map positionning and positionnal strategy (highground rules / size of the maps etc...) -Clarity of graphism for viewers -Single player Campaign / storyline -Lan and multiplayer support -Bnet I'm sure SC2 is a good game. It's just a pity for it it comes after a masterwork. For me, it's more at the level of Warcraft 3 than the level of Brood War. | ||
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Crt
247 Posts
hopefully, it's just because the skill pool hasn't matured yet. | ||
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: BW scene is very lively while SC2 hasn't had a single major tournament yet. Therefore, I wouuld really know what you are basing your assumptions on... I don't think SC2 has the potential to be a great esport discipline. And I don't think Korean scene which has a way more serious approach of the game than foreigners is gonna swap unless they really see an opportunity there. So you talk out of nothing. From what I have seen, SC2 is clearly inferior to BW in terms of -Micro / distribution of units ("intelligent" gimmicky grouping / stuff like mines, lurkers etc...) -Macro -Map positionning and positionnal strategy (highground rules / size of the maps etc...) -Clarity of graphism for viewers -Single player Campaign / storyline -Lan and multiplayer support -Bnet I'm sure SC2 is a good game. It's just a pity for it it comes after a masterwork. For me, it's more at the level of Warcraft 3 than the level of Brood War. this and also what the guy above said | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On August 11 2010 22:48 -Desu- wrote: bw is gonna die, sc2 will live, eventually, and also life sucks... so yeah please get over it already and stop making threads about how good bw is (regarding the war between SC2 and BW, and BW will prevail). both games are good, but bw is old and gonna die soon, your feelings or your precious memories of bw won't change anything, we will all remember bw as best game ever and that's it please get over it... well, your asumptions are from nowhere, BW proscene will die when it wouldnt have enough viewers, and if you have seen as you claim before the proscene of BW still fills "stadiums" and has good ratings for a PC game, and FYI in the recent history most popular RTS sequels have failed over their predeccesor even though the publishers have put all the money in the new one (AoE, C&C, etc), other wrong assumption is that all the money is in SC2 so the proscene will move there, you know something about customers (viewers), market , product... ?, money dont buy ratings (altough it helps) and in the e-sports games it is even more complex, do you realize that BW viewers has nothing to do about new graphics, engines and all that stuff?, it is about a game being really watchable, easy to understand, gameplay that allows moments of tension and surprise, a cultural thing, and of course very well balanced races (either for Blizzard or third parties). SC2 is popular because of SC1 sucess but in the same way it is its mayor problem because its goal is not being a good RTS game, its goal inside the community is reaching a stable proscene status (it is far right now from that), so dont jump conclusions based on nothing. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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RaNgeD
United States733 Posts
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 12 2010 00:27 Biff The Understudy wrote: BW scene is very lively while SC2 hasn't had a single major tournament yet. Therefore, I wouuld really know what you are basing your assumptions on... I don't think SC2 has the potential to be a great esport discipline. And I don't think Korean scene which has a way more serious approach of the game than foreigners is gonna swap unless they really see an opportunity there. So you talk out of nothing. From what I have seen, SC2 is clearly inferior to BW in terms of -Micro / distribution of units ("intelligent" gimmicky grouping / stuff like mines, lurkers etc...) -Macro -Map positionning and positionnal strategy (highground rules / size of the maps etc...) -Clarity of graphism for viewers -Single player Campaign / storyline -Lan and multiplayer support -Bnet I'm sure SC2 is a good game. It's just a pity for it it comes after a masterwork. For me, it's more at the level of Warcraft 3 than the level of Brood War. This is what I think. 1) BW is dead. Outside of Korea. 2) SC2 will have major tournament. In a month. And it's bigger than BW. AND IT WILL HAVE ENGLISH COMMENTARY OMG. 3) There are shitloads of opportunities in SC2. TLO said he needs to schedule his time to attend tournaments and barely has any time for laddering. 4) Micro comes with time, there is enough of macroing to occupy anyone in Sc2. 5) Maps are made and played by the community therefore you can't say BW has inferior maps 6) Campaign is fucking awesome. Especially for someone who doesn't like rts which is huuuge. Every mission is fucking awesome. 7) Sc2 has multiplayer support 8) Sc2 is 2 weeks old. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
I agree, as sad as it sounds. "SC2 will have major tournament. In a month. And it's bigger than BW" lol when your finals tournament has an attendant of 30,000 people, please let me know. Which will probably be never. "There are shitloads of opportunities in SC2. TLO said he needs to schedule his time to attend tournaments and barely has any time for laddering." Okay, but because there's a lot of tournaments that doesn't mean it is automatically better. Quality > Quantity. "Micro comes with time, there is enough of macroing to occupy anyone in Sc2." Stuff like muta micro or shuttle/dropship micro? We'll never see shit like that again "Sc2 has multiplayer support" With no LAN latency or chatrooms. " Sc2 is 2 weeks old." Fuck this is the worst that anyone can say. You know SC2 should have been a better game from the start. Blizzard could have made such a better game than the current SC2 because of what they had available to them. BW was such a huge success that the whole thing was basically outlined for them. But no they made it extremely user friendly which really kills the purpose of making it an e-sport. Like I said make the game more demanding and challenging. That's not the only problem though, because SC2's graphics make it so that each battle is a huge clusterfuck ball 1a'ing each other. How will you fix that when it is pretty hard to watch from a spectator's view? I've been able to show friends who don't watch pro SC some VODs from nevake or Jon747 and they understood the basics/what was going on even without playing SC... | ||
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
That is until I start reading threads in the SC2 section. I can't read more than a few pages of a thread before running back to the bastion of intelligence that is the BW section. Nothing erases the trauma of OMG BANELING BUST LOLOL like a nice, relaxed discussion about the recent ZvZ trends. Ensnare'd/plague'd mutas make me feel better  | ||
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AyJay
1515 Posts
On August 12 2010 02:08 Amnesia wrote: lol when your finals tournament has an attendant of 30,000 people, please let me know. Which will probably be never. I have confidence that might be possible On August 12 2010 02:08 Amnesia wrote: Okay, but because there's a lot of tournaments that doesn't mean it is automatically better. Quality > Quantity. I was referring to him saying that koreans can't see opportunity to shine in sc2. On August 12 2010 02:08 Amnesia wrote: Stuff like muta micro or shuttle/dropship micro? We'll never see shit like that again It's different game and we will see different micro. Stalker blink micro? Bare used Medivac (aka dropship) micro? Nobody using Thorship? Barely used Why? Because game is still 2 weeks old and people still focusing on more important things like macroing. On August 12 2010 02:08 Amnesia wrote: You know SC2 should have been a better game from the start. I'm pretty happy with it. I know many people are happy with it. SC2 is wayyy more popular than BW ever was (outside of Korea) which is pretty dam awesome. I'm sure it will just get better and better as long as people like Artosis, Day9 and hell even HDH (even though I don't like them other 160000 apparently do) keep promoting it | ||
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Brad
2754 Posts
On August 11 2010 20:41 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well, for people who loved brood war and have spent so much time and energy into it, it's quite surprising that they stop giving a fuck once the next game is out. Can't really imagine Flash saying "Fuck BW, there is a version which is newer and betterer, I'll never play this game again." From someone like Idra or even Artosis, I can understand that the fact of not having 574767 koreans on top of your head without any hope of being ever better than tem, and finally having a chance of being the best with "fair" competition can be liberating. I remember an interview of ForGG where he was asked what he would do when SC2 was coming out. He answered that he would play BW until it dies and always be faithful to that game. <3 Because foreigner BW is dead, and has been in terms of professional gaming for a long time. There is nothing for IdrA or Artosis to win by playing BW. You can't compare Flash's thought process to a foreigners one. People have been living vicariously through the Korean BW scene for years, they just got tired of it. | ||
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