"After ToT being around the scene since 1998 while having mostly very good and barely bad times we were struggling a lot since quite a while and eventually we decided to call it a day.
I am going to try to recap some things that happened in the last 12 years. Since I am not really aware about everything anymore, I will just write a rough recap with lots of holes which got lost in time.
ToT was founded in 1999 by ToT)Nightfall(, ToT)Lunatic( and ToT)PureFalcon(. Those names are probably unknown to everyone of you except of Nightfall most likely.
After starting off in StarCraft with mostly BGH games and getting more recognition in the BGH scene ToT slowly gathered low players and switched to the lower scene and started to participate in clanleagues such as stammkneipe, BWCL and whatever there was at that time. ToT)SiLeNcE( and ToT)NoRti( were one of the first members that joined after ToT switched to low maps and they have been a part of ToT until now. Thanks for your loyality and being great members.
First times we were pretty much dominated by [XiC] at those times but after some months (or even years?) we were catching up and defeating them regularly and we started to dominate all the leagues. Especially BWCL we dominated by winning it several times a row that it became boring to us that we stopped playing it and decided to regularly schedule clanwars against Korean teams.
At first we were a German only clan and our first international member was ToT)WiLLEt(, followed by ToT)Ovvi( and ToT)Strafe(. I think ToT)aCe( (nowadays ret), ToT)Twisted( and ToT)MidiaN( were to follow. Some time later ToT)Ilvy( joined our team and has been the greatest admin, organisator you could have imagined in ToT. ToT)SquaLL( and ToT)XiaOzI( were one of the earlier members as well while ToT)GOsia(, ToT)GohaN(, ToT)LJT(, ToT)RauDo( were to come later.
Many more members were to come and to leave and ToT dominated everything from there on until 2007. We won every clanleague pretty easily and even challenged Korean clans where we performed very well and no clan was able to compete with us at all."
ToT was such a heroic clan, because it was mostly member-run and the leader was like the best Zerg player in the foreign world. Crazy. In a time where every startup was trying to get e-rich, ToT was a really refreshing clan. I always cheered for them.
this might be a bit naive of me, but couldnt they just continue being ToT in sc2? since somebody already said 2/3 of their membership switched to that.
Jeez, way back in 2003, when I barely knew of the existance of pro starcraft and the scene around it, I know what ToT was, I knew who Mondragon was. This is quite saddening to see. Good luck and godspeed to the folks at ToT.
ToT) was by far the most impressive clan I met in my gaming life. Truly based on friendship, they never had to "buy" players in order to compete with the best. Apart from Mondragon they had outstanding players like Sen, Ret or Infernal. With Mondi as a leader to gather around, this clan had the greatest consistency of all Starcraft clans. Will remember: many Matches against Mondi in various ladders and tournaments, ToT rivalrys like ToT vs pG, Mondi owning up ship at WCG and Ret owning TL.net with his livestreams
There are countless names which could not be mentioned in Mondi's article and I remember them all having been in the team for so long. The things we achieved together were not to be thought of when we started. I was happy to be a part of it for so many years and will keep almost everyone I met in ToT in mind with fond memories.
I will also keep the clan tag and wear it with pride in the future.
A special thank you has to be directed at Mondragon who was the heart and soul of the team from the moment he joined (when he was still a child^^) to this very day.
Ahh, I wrote a big ass comment on the page but it disappeared :[
In short, all my success had been with ToT, went galovanting around Europe with them and enjoyed every minute of it. I was quite young at the time for that really, must have been about five or six years ago but I was really, really lucky to be able to do that and with such awesome people
ToT was always one of the teams every other team looked forward to beating. We had some great clan wars and it's a shame to see you guys go, but we knew this day would come eventually.
On July 23 2010 05:29 floor exercise wrote: I dont think there's a bw player that wasn't a ToT fan. They were an exemplary clan
How about every other team competing with them? >_<
this might be a bit naive of me, but couldnt they just continue being ToT in sc2? since somebody already said 2/3 of their membership switched to that.
most of the ex-tot bw members like haypro and that moved to sponsored teams like mouz and liquid. that and mondragon from what i gather, has no motivation to lead the team for sc2.
pG and ToT were definitely the two most amazing teams the foreign community has ever had, with ToT leading by a mile due to them also creating real friendship
good old times. thanks for the games, gl for the future €: yeah sen deserves a honorably mention too doesnt he? imho the best non korean z for a few months
ive been coming to teamliquid for a long time, i never really posted i just came here every so often and browsed around after taking small breaks between starcraft matches. i will never forget when the livestream feature first came to teamliquid and watching mondi offrace pvz games at heart break ridge.
It was frustrating losing to them every season in BWCL. I think ToT won BWCL 11 or 12 times before they finally quit the league and let us win a few times.
ToT was already a very good team back when they were German-only, and they became unstoppable when the international players started coming in. Mondragon, lazer, testie, willet, sys, trek, arch, aqrash, ovvi, strafe, twisted, sen, hexer, tomson, you could go on forever with the names. Truly a great clan, led by the greatest non-Korean zerg ever.
you guys were an amazing team and with was extremly nice having you around in the events. A great and manner team ends today but we wont forget. RIP ToT!
Back when I played BW, and still after that time, ToT was the one clan everyone wanted to be in. I remember I was so excited when I once was in a game observing together with Mondragon. Oh good old times.
R.I.P to to a Classic team. Even for those like me who are vaguely familiar. I'm aware mostly due to ret, mondragon, xiaozi and skeptical (forgot the nick).
All good things must come to an end, or a middle, or in this case just come to in general.Dissy poured his soul into the clan and sooner or later anyone will run out of energy doing what he's done.
The Templars were great and all divisions were filled with great people but the BW team will always be legends. Good luck to everyone wherever they have gone or will go in the future. Peace out from Vikingland.
Oh wow. I always took ToT for granted. I can't even remember a time ToT wasn't around. pG and ToT were the two teams that (I think (it's a long time ago)) initially got me into following BW. Sad to hear. To bad ToT couldn't or wouldn't find a sponsor to keep their squad together.
Although I naturally can't be sad about Haypro joining Liquid`. Our favorite team.
It feels like part of me just died. ToT has always beem my favourite team. So many hours/days i've spent watching Mondi's and others replays, it was actually more fun for me than playing myself. R.I.P. ToT and thx for being there so long
Sad news man, but as one can read in the OP you guys had great run. Congrats with all the accomplishments and the succes in your way of running a team!
Oh wow... ToT you guys were just brilliant. It's sad to see such a strong team fracture like this... I can feel the sorrow emanating from the post... Cheers everyone, it was great watching you!
Before watching the korean proscene, I used to follow foreign clan leagues, it used to be so great when a lot more players where active and not only ToT, but also iG, MgZ), Boss., mYm, had all an incredible skill.
Didn't follow the european BW scene much, but I always knew ToT was one of the teams that did pretty well in it. ToT players were always nice opponents in wc3, wish them all the best in the future.
Ahhh lame they should of at least waited 1 more week. It seems more symbolic if ToT lasted till the release of SC2 at least TT. That was like the last really old clan. TT
Thanks for all of the good times, great games, great channel chats and everything else. ToT was a true force in BW and was without a doubt the longest dominating clan outside of Korea in BW history. It was a true pleasure to know many of you guys and play with and against the team. Good luck to you all.
This really marks the end of BW, and SC altogether for my part. RIP ToT. Ive always admired you guys INCEADIBLY. I wish you the best of luck in the future - in whatever you decide to do. There will never be SC2 players like the SC players of old time. The guys from ToT, and a few other teams, will go down in history with pride. Personally I never think I will forget the excitment of top level SC.
One of the few high level clan with a true spirit. Sad for us I guess, hope the best for their players !
Take care guys.
EDIT; I've just noticed that mondi didn't put a single line about himself. Oh man, you were the perfect combination of manner and skill and a true inspiration for tons of zergs (i'll never forget the ZvP mondi style). Mondi, you're a king.
I'm glad ToT stayed true to its core philosophies throughout SC:BW - it truly made it the greatest clan. It's sad that those can't continue in SC2, and I'm glad the clan decided to retire than abandon it's core beliefs!
Obviously nothing about Testie and SEn. If they close the clan because they cannot pursue their "idea", why would they mention the two players who first left for money?
A sad day indeed. Good night sweet prince. I wiped a tear out of my eyes.
On July 23 2010 18:08 Plexa wrote: I'm glad ToT stayed true to its core philosophies throughout SC:BW - it truly made it the greatest clan. It's sad that those can't continue in SC2, and I'm glad the clan decided to retire than abandon it's core beliefs!
I think i got some dust in my eyes or something while reading the goodbye post by Mondi. In my SC life, i pretty much grew up following ToT and it's so sad to see them disband.
Goodbye ToT, you will be forever missed by those who followed you. You represented the collective hopes and dreams of many foreigners when you went up against korean teams to prove we could be as good as them. You showed us that teams could be family and that just playing with eachother was reward enough. You were a team of skilled players who will always have a place in starcraft history. You will be missed.
I can't belive what Im reading. They've been around as long as I can remember, And I have been around since 2000. Really sad news, what will be the next team that steps up? Truely sad news im sad within..
Saw it coming a while ago so when the news broke to me I was like yeah well it was supposed to happen some time.
Topics like these however almost brings tears to my eyes . All that nostalgia coming back to me; having the fortune of being part of such a great team that everyone looked up to which has always seemed like a given to me. Thanks for all the kind words everyone!
Sad day indeed. From the day I joined until the day I effectively retired I knew i'd never move clans, there was a great team spirit and friendliness within us and obviously we were really successful at the time too. Miss you guys O_O~
On July 23 2010 03:24 Chill wrote: ToT was such a heroic clan, because it was mostly member-run and the leader was like the best Zerg player in the foreign world. Crazy. In a time where every startup was trying to get e-rich, ToT was a really refreshing clan. I always cheered for them.
I just wanted to quote this because I don't think I could express myself in a better manner regarding ToT
On July 23 2010 03:24 Chill wrote: ToT was such a heroic clan, because it was mostly member-run and the leader was like the best Zerg player in the foreign world. Crazy. In a time where every startup was trying to get e-rich, ToT was a really refreshing clan. I always cheered for them.
I just wanted to quote this because I don't think I could express myself in a better manner regarding ToT
I thought the same, if i could i would sig Chill's post
"and the leader was like the best Zerg player in the foreign world"
On July 23 2010 20:56 ToT)MidiaN( wrote: Sad day indeed. From the day I joined until the day I effectively retired I knew i'd never move clans, there was a great team spirit and friendliness within us and obviously we were really successful at the time too. Miss you guys O_O~
Jamie are you in Korea from October till December? I'll be in Thailand then so I could finally come visit? Or are you already back in the UK then.
Well this had to happen, but really props to you ToT for being on the scene for so long and also on the top most of the time. Also thanks for the exciting games you've brought. Now the foreign bw scene is really dead and it is such a sad moment. The SC BW lived with me 1/3 of my whole life and probably most of you guys too... GooD luck to all !
what a sad news man ... all note how Mondragon clearly say new Bnet 2.0 is not favouring a new community to rise in term of friendship and social ...
DEU-1 ITA-1 FRA-1 ESP-1 and so on were so important in the success of BW and the grown of the various national communities ... i really do not get how people in Blizzard could ignore this ...
Sad indeed, but they went down with pride. One of the most respected teams I've ever had the chance to get to know. As e-sport will keep rolling I doubt that few people will forget the glory of the Templars of Twilight.
This is probably the first day I felt very sad that StarCraft 2 is coming I have watched ToT pretty much from the beginning. To me Moondragon is and always will be one of the best zergs in the foreign scene. He is just amazing. I almost cried a little when I was reading that.
Thank you for a good run I hope to see you guys in SC2 and it would make my day if Moondragon would join the fun also!
Even though reading this makes me sad i think you did choose the perfect timing for this. The whole SCBW era is comming to an end, and so is ToT. Like this we will remember ToT as the legends they were, that dominated foreign SCBW for over 10 years. SC2 is right around the corner and new clans and players will come. There is no chance that ToT will be so dominante again.
tot will never be forgotten.. im glad many of us still keep in touch and i hope we will continue to do so down the road. dissy has done such an amazing job over the years, i hope ppl will give him more credit for what he did and not only because of the great player he was/is!
On July 23 2010 07:06 city42 wrote: It was frustrating losing to them every season in BWCL. I think ToT won BWCL 11 or 12 times before they finally quit the league and let us win a few times.
ToT was already a very good team back when they were German-only, and they became unstoppable when the international players started coming in. Mondragon, lazer, testie, willet, sys, trek, arch, aqrash, ovvi, strafe, twisted, sen, hexer, tomson, you could go on forever with the names. Truly a great clan, led by the greatest non-Korean zerg ever.
I remember the players well like Mondragon, the WCG's and the ToT) channel on Europe then Iccup was always a nice place to find games and people. Sad that BW is dead in 3 days, but all things come to an end and it's natural to move on.
On July 24 2010 15:59 Rekrul wrote: what a smart way to start a new elite sc2 squad, get rid of all the trash, and not hurt anyones feelings all in the process
On July 24 2010 15:59 Rekrul wrote: what a smart way to start a new elite sc2 squad, get rid of all the trash, and not hurt anyones feelings all in the process
R.I.P ToT) I'm honoured that i got to spend 1.5 years with the team . The pinnacle of bw for most players was to join this team, and I was one of the lucky few that realized that goal . I hope all the players of ToT) succeed in sc2 or whatever they choose to do, it was an amazing time during bw for me, wouldn't change it for the world .
Thanks for the kind words Dissy - I'm happy to have been at least a small part of a great clan. It was fun playing Nexus and getting to observe some training sessions. A shoutout to all those who made me feel welcome and sorry for my horrible news posts
I had the pleasure of organizing events with you guys and met quite a bunch of you at different WCG events as well as sharing a place at Shun's with some of you like SarenS. Shoutout to SEn, iNcontroL, Mondragon, Testie, ParanOid and all the others that I've spent time talking to and organizing events for, even if you guys weren't all equally active at times!
Knew it was coming, but sad that it has happened. Been following ToT since I have been involved in BW:SC. Even their short stint with picking up the pG tag for a small sponsorship. Hope to see another high caliber and mannered team like this again in SC2. One that is driven by the community of their members and not by getting sponsorships.
On July 25 2010 06:27 tonight wrote: Hope to see another high caliber and mannered team like this again in SC2. One that is driven by the community of their members and not by getting sponsorships.
On July 25 2010 06:27 tonight wrote: Hope to see another high caliber and mannered team like this again in SC2. One that is driven by the community of their members and not by getting sponsorships.
Liquid ? :D
Yeah, Liquid will probably be the staple for the new era in how teams should be ran.
what about tot)laser(, who was mondragons 2vs2 partner during the early and wgt times? tot)silence(? they werent bad players... man, i still remember when norti joined tot from ScT, when Rob joined tot after being with pg and pcn (and how he beat ogogo on wgt in that most amazing game), kalashni etc. it feels so strange to read that norti was one of the earliest members, when tot was already successful before he joined ^^. for me norti is still one of the new guys in tot, lol.
but yeah as with all things people do, its hard to keep going without losing any motivation and interest. tot has been slacking a while, although they have easily been the most dominant and consistent team of all. i didnt think that tot was unable to attract members because of money issues, but more because the players that were already there were fighting with inactivity and motivation. had everyone in tot kept going full speed theyd easily catch up to korean teams. they did well vs them even without doing it. then again im no tot intern, so maybe everyone in tot was doing their best to improve at all times.
oh, and there also was breakdown[pg]. i almost forgot about him. so many great guys. the finnish guys from dsky... i think aqrash was one of them. there also was trek. testie. rvr testie vs mondragon was such fun to watch.
Broodwar is slowly going away more with this happening. It's funny for me to think I was apart of the news/admin side for a few months a while back (but then again, I was working for a lot of teams back then). In that short time, I was speaking with a lot more of the members than I was already in contact with.
If I go back to my shoutcasting days as Micro-Lzuruha and then iTG.Micro or (mYm.Micro-iTG as mYm always wanted it), ToT) players were always there if someone bailed out and I had to quickly find a replacement. I can't count how many times players like inControl, Midian and for a while this crazy polish zerg named Hullah would plead for me to cast any game he played. Dissy was always up to helping me in channels when people would go without waiting for the caster to be ready. I think a couple times, he actually had games restarted for me. ToT) was always about the community, although we won't see the actual team in SC2 I'm sure we'll see some of the previous players dominating in the future.
This is what happen when you do not embrace the new. Starcraft 2 when it was announced, no one appreciated it. No one accepted it. Eventually as each ToT player began to accept what was coming, his only choice to play serious was to join a team that planned on playing it. Had ToT accepted SC2 when it was announced, this wouldn\'t be happening. Not accepting sc2 has consequences, as I told ToT in the beginning. Sad to see the disintegration happen in real time.
On July 26 2010 07:46 opl3sa wrote: This is what happen when you do not embrace the new. Starcraft 2 when it was announced, no one appreciated it. No one accepted it. Eventually as each ToT player began to accept what was coming, his only choice to play serious was to join a team that planned on playing it. Had ToT accepted SC2 when it was announced, this wouldn\'t be happening. Not accepting sc2 has consequences, as I told ToT in the beginning. Sad to see the disintegration happen in real time.
I'm not speaking for the entire team, but from my personal point of view, if mondragon isn't going to lead it full on because of lack of time or commitment, the team would dissolve anyways... thats my perspective anyways, cuz when he was gone for a little while in BW it was hard to keep the team together even with the admins like ilvy/raudo/kai/yenta etc doing their best.
And so, just days prior to the release of Starcraft 2, The foreign Starcraft:Broodwar scene closes its doors forever with the end of the most legendary SC:BW clan in history, Templars of Twilight.
Woah very sad indeed. Thank you ToT, for the service you have provided the SC community, and best wishes to all the players, I'll always remember you guys as a badass clan!
A true sad day for SC:BW community, no second opinion about that. I will always remember ToT with a very good feeling and as the team that every foreign good starcraft player was willing to get into. I had (and I hope will be having in the future) great times with ToT players. <3 Squall, Ilvy, ParanOid, DaZe, InfernaL, Eriador, Mondragon and many more ;D!! Thanks, guys ;(
Thank you and farewell to the winningest team in foreign Broodwar history!
Seriously, you guys and your tourney lineups were like the New York Yankees of foreign SC except we all knew people didn't join for the money - they joined for the immense honor of wearing a ToT tag. To gain an invitation and wear the ToT tag was to gain status as one of the true elite players in the foreign BW scene.
Mad nostalgia all the superstars who have come and gone over the years from this team. Your Zerg and Toss lineups were especially legendary.
On July 28 2010 00:15 D4L[invd] wrote: if ToT is dead does that mean other people can take it's name now? and my question goes for all dead clan names.
Maybe someone who was related to them... Even then, they shouldn't really touch it out of respect. Unless they can somehow get the same, if not more, of the amazing feats that those guys achieved.
<3 ToT, you guys were the team that I wanted to join ever since I started low money, even though I knew it was improbable. Your legacy will live on forevaaa!
On July 23 2010 03:24 Chill wrote: ToT was such a heroic clan, because it was mostly member-run and the leader was like the best Zerg player in the foreign world. Crazy. In a time where every startup was trying to get e-rich, ToT was a really refreshing clan. I always cheered for them.
On July 28 2010 00:15 D4L[invd] wrote: if ToT is dead does that mean other people can take it's name now? and my question goes for all dead clan names.
Not with clans worth of respect. With some random USeast clan dying you should feel free to re-use the tag since 99.9% of the community won't know them anyway. With ToT, not so much.
On July 28 2010 00:15 D4L[invd] wrote: if ToT is dead does that mean other people can take it's name now? and my question goes for all dead clan names.
Not with clans worth of respect. With some random USeast clan dying you should feel free to re-use the tag since 99.9% of the community won't know them anyway. With ToT, not so much.
Thank you for all the games. Sen, Gohan ( really nice guy and a great player ), Testie, Eri, DaZe, Squall, Paranoid, Mondi etc... <3
I remember when Gohan was still in Mgz) ( just before joining Tot ~ 2007 or 2008 ) and played in one of my phantom games. I was trying to explain to my friends that the guy was a good player, and they were like "nah just some random no name look his build this guy doesn't know how to play phantom". A normal "gosu" would have felt outraged and would have been bm, but he didn't say anything except some random smileys. Then he went two gates expo and managed to destroy the phantom single handedly.
Then we played more fun games. The guy seemed so nice and relaxed, that was a great moment.
I also remember when my team mate told me to dodge Mondi ( + Kyopo ? ) on Iccup 2x2 /sigh regrets
I Remember the Time around 99-00 when I played with Mondi and Affe and Kala and Robkill and what not on the Marquis-Server, a dedicated Battle-Net-Server where germans would meet to play games. ToT was around at that time already, and proceeded to grow into the best possible bw clan from this outset. The most popular map at that time was Dire Straits, and I remember how ToT was fighting XiC for map control at the stammkneipe clan leaques.
So may ToT RIP, a last farewell from an oldskewl fan.
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