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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
July 15 2010 20:15 GMT
#141
Honestly, If CJ beats SKT I don't see them losing
Jaedong and Baby
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
July 15 2010 20:37 GMT
#142
if Fantasy goes against effort he will have a tailor made Boxer/Oov Build to defeat him... the strength of SKT is stepping up to the plate and hitting home runs.. if you doubt that.. look up how the Tyrant was CRUSHED last year in the Finals when he was the Biggest baddest mother fucker out there.. .. OZ hit a serious slump after losing the finals and that has made them lose playoffs..
in The Kong line forever
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 15 2010 21:09 GMT
#143
gogogo CJ, i'll be cheering a lot for them!
BW is back
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 15 2010 21:17 GMT
#144
On July 16 2010 01:14 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 01:00 eNyoron wrote:
(Z)EffOrt is pretty much a guaranteed Win for CJ, unless (P)Bisu's PvZ returns in full form. Although their record is currently 3-0, those matches were at a point in time where Bisu was playing extremely well and EffOrt was still a Rookie. Bisu's still recovering from his slump whereas EffOrt has been playing solidly (though moreso in the individual leagues than the proleague). Best, while a great player, will probably fall to EffOrt's monster ZvP.

(T)Fantasy's TvZ is his weakest matchup, and his playstyle is what EffOrt excels the most against. While the EffOrt of 2009 struggled with mech play, his current multitasking and map domination ability will trounce mech play. If they do play each other, the game will go down like this: Fantasy will do a quirky build off of two base, possibly doing some econ damage in the process. EffOrt will curtail the damage and slowly work his way up to 4-5 base. Fantasy will try to expo but be unable to hold (depending on the map), and eventually settle for a massive 200 supply ball Push. EffOrt will either: overrun every expo of Fantasy with ling defiler or doop drop the main, and then send wave after wave of zerg to chip away and crush the terran ball of death.

Unfortunately, aside from EffOrt, the ability for other CJ players to score wins relies heavily on the coach placing them in matchups where they have the advantage. Ideal head-to-heads would probably be:

(T)sKyHigh > (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow = (P)Bisu (likely to go either way)
(Z)EffOrt > Best
(P)Movie > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)
(T)Iris > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)

Or, CJ could get totally boned and have to deal with

(P)Movie < (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow < (Z)Hyuk
(Z)EffOrt < (P)Bisu
(T)Iris < Best


i dunno, last time effort and fantasy played, fantasy mauled him pretty hard (i think it was the last time they played, matchpoint iirc)

either way, like you said theres a couple of people that would beat fantasy, but apart from effort i dunno if theres anyone that can stand up to bisu. and if effort plays bisu, i think hyuk has a solid shot against iris and is a favourite against everyone else. even best looks favourable unless he fights effort


Umm... did you look at his PvP?? He's not guaranteed to win against almost any P in CJ's lineup.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 15 2010 21:19 GMT
#145
On July 16 2010 05:15 Yxes2211 wrote:
Honestly, If CJ beats SKT I don't see them losing


KT is looking really really good. I still see them winning it all, now that they don't need Flash to win games. Apart from the fact that they have plenty of practice time. Unless Star-leagues are distracting them, they are sitting pretty at the moment.
WWJDD??
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 15 2010 21:23 GMT
#146
On July 16 2010 06:19 WWJDD wrote:
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On July 16 2010 05:15 Yxes2211 wrote:
Honestly, If CJ beats SKT I don't see them losing


KT is looking really really good. I still see them winning it all, now that they don't need Flash to win games. Apart from the fact that they have plenty of practice time. Unless Star-leagues are distracting them, they are sitting pretty at the moment.

We destroy KT though.
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Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
July 15 2010 21:49 GMT
#147
On July 16 2010 06:23 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 06:19 WWJDD wrote:
On July 16 2010 05:15 Yxes2211 wrote:
Honestly, If CJ beats SKT I don't see them losing


KT is looking really really good. I still see them winning it all, now that they don't need Flash to win games. Apart from the fact that they have plenty of practice time. Unless Star-leagues are distracting them, they are sitting pretty at the moment.

We destroy KT though.


Agreed. KT is overrated jk jk

But CJ has to play sooo many more games that KT, and if they fight their way through SKT, and get that momentum rolling, I just don't them being stopped. In the playoffs momentum is such a huge part of the overall win. Also since CJ will have to play through SKT, Fox or MBC, and STX to get to KT, they are gonna be so fired up by comparison to KT, and that's why I think they'll win

Plus, Effort messes with Flash's head, and I think Effort can knock KT's Ace Best Player, out early. After that, it comes down how many players Effort takes out, but even if he only takes out Flash, I still think a fighting CJ will dominate KT.
Jaedong and Baby
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 15 2010 22:16 GMT
#148
I'm pretty sure CJ has this. They are confident enough not to dodge OSL ceremony for a few more hours of practice unlike SKT, then they get to rape the crappier side of the bracket. After that is STX which sucks now and KT. We all know what happens when CJ plays KT :D. Except this time it will be even easier because the format is way more suited for CJ's deep lineup.
GANDHISAUCE
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 23:15:01
July 15 2010 23:10 GMT
#149
On July 16 2010 07:16 De4ngus wrote:
I'm pretty sure CJ has this. They are confident enough not to dodge OSL ceremony for a few more hours of practice unlike SKT, then they get to rape the crappier side of the bracket. After that is STX which sucks now and KT. We all know what happens when CJ plays KT :D. Except this time it will be even easier because the format is way more suited for CJ's deep lineup.


Let's keep in mind that SKT has three players in the OSL, each of them the respective aces of their team's three races. SKT stand to lose the most if they go along with OGN's crappy schedule, as all three players will no doubt be fielded.

CJ, on the other hand, has only two players. Most importantly, one of them is Effort, the OSL champion. There is no possible way for them to back out without being killed by criticism. The other one is Hydra, who may or may not be fielded for all we know.

Not the mention that CJ coach sent official complaints to OGN as well.

Let's face it. NOBODY is 100% confident against SKT. This isn't some broken one man team like Hite or Oz. THIS IS MOTHER FRICKING SKT T1 !!!!!

Your point is invalid.

On July 15 2010 13:35 Kyuukyuu wrote:
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On July 15 2010 08:57 dukethegold wrote:
That record is NOT a good indication of Bisu's current PvP form. The losses prior to Bisu v.s. Pusan occurred during the period of Bisu's slump.


Well then, let's look at the string of PvP victories he's had since finally breaking out of his age-long slump! Including OSL prelims... well, Tyson is sometimes played instead of Jaehoon, I guess. And Jaehoon is sometimes MBC's ace!

Show nested quote +

And Bisu v.s. Tempest serves as a horrible example. Tempest had the biggest BO advantage possible over Bisu. Not to mention that it was likely that Bisu was sent on the fourth set to fight against Flash, not Tempest.


It's a good thing things like luck in mirror matchups aren't part of the matchups themselves and have no effect on players' winrates that in turn do not determine whether someone is slumping or not!

Show nested quote +

In addition, Best showed an absolutely beautiful PvP game this week against Kal and Best claimed he is 50/50 against Bisu in practice.


It's too bad maGma went to the army and retired or else he'd probably be bonjwa right now...

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I am not actually arguing that Bisu would be unfavoured versus CJ's tosses, just stirring up some trashtalk

Seriously though his PvP is not the most stable thing in the world right now. The only reason he's favoured is because Snow and Movie are even more inconsistent :|



Ha ha, good one.

CJ will lose.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
July 15 2010 23:16 GMT
#150
On July 16 2010 01:00 eNyoron wrote:
(Z)EffOrt is pretty much a guaranteed Win for CJ
It's nice to state things without examining evidence. Effort is 3-4 against SKT in proleague this season, not exactly something I would call a "guaranteed win".

On July 16 2010 01:00 eNyoron wrote:
Or, CJ could get totally boned and have to deal with

(P)Movie < (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow < (Z)Hyuk
(Z)EffOrt < (P)Bisu
(T)Iris < Best
Well, like I said earlier whatever genius is attributed to Coach Cho in lineup selection hasn't really come into play against SKT - like I mentioned earlier, CJ is 1-4 vs SKT this proleague season, and a look at the games involved show that CJ didn't get the matchups it needed most of the time, and even when they did...things still didn't end well for them.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 15 2010 23:27 GMT
#151
Why don't you SKT1 fans go make your own thread on why SKT1 will win.

Reasons why SKT1 will lose:
Zerg. We all know how SKT1 zerg screwd the whole team over. saying Hyuk is good is just lying to yourself. SKT1Zerg is synonymous to sucks
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
July 15 2010 23:38 GMT
#152
Last time CJ and SKT1 played in ProLeague...

CJ got 3-0'd... with Hyuk taking a win off of Snow. None of the games were really close.

I'm hoping for CJ... but things will have to have drastically changed. To say "they got this easy" is pretty silly. If CJ can take 2 BO7 off this team, it will be a real accomplishment.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 16 2010 00:15 GMT
#153
On July 16 2010 08:27 Mykill wrote:
Why don't you SKT1 fans go make your own thread on why SKT1 will win.

Reasons why SKT1 will lose:
Zerg. We all know how SKT1 zerg screwd the whole team over. saying Hyuk is good is just lying to yourself. SKT1Zerg is synonymous to sucks

Sure, you can be in denial of the capability SKT1 Zergs can produce. Sure, keep telling yourself Snow always loses to Hyuk, JD didn't get sniped by S2, and the three zergs all-killed several teams (ie. Khan) didn't happen at all. Sure, none of these didn't happen in R4 and R5. Because they're simply SKT1 zergs. They're worthless and are lower than any of CJ players.

But seriously, even if SKT1 zerg can't produce (which I doubt), we have Bisu, Best and Fantasy as well as Canata and BoxeR. Think they can't produce results?
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-16 01:03:03
July 16 2010 00:54 GMT
#154
On July 16 2010 08:27 Mykill wrote:
Why don't you SKT1 fans go make your own thread on why SKT1 will win.

Reasons why SKT1 will lose:
Zerg. We all know how SKT1 zerg screwd the whole team over. saying Hyuk is good is just lying to yourself. SKT1Zerg is synonymous to sucks



There is one:

On July 15 2010 10:26 Murderotica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

This is my stomping of the vastly uneducated opinions of others in the following threads:
Blind CJ Fanboyism
Blind STX Fanboyism


Just kidding. I just thought this format was rather cool, and decided to make one before anyone else (hopefully?) about the King of Kings, the Emperor's Palace, SK Telecom T1.

[image loading]
Rape Imminent


That's right, S-K-mother-fucking-T-One. Ever seen a great game played by Rainbow? Canata? Midas? Best? Fantasy? Bisu? Oov? Boxer? Oh, you have? Well then SKT1 is in your head, subliminally telling you the truth everyone should know by now: SKT1 is the best team in the history of StarCraft.

And this is why they will win this year's Proleague.

[1] Gluttony

[image loading]
Hello welcome to our trophy cabinet, we have gold-plated casts of anuses belonging to inferior teams.
I meant medals.


Everyone is talking about hungry this, want to win that, yadda yadda eye of the tiger bullshit.

This is not a Disney movie, this is not Mighty Ducks 5 or Rocky 6. This is real fucking life. Where I come from there is a very appropriate expression about real life:

"Fortune shines upon those best prepared."


Tell me, how much preparation goes into a Proleague play-off match, a set, a season? How much preparation will the current #1 team go through for the final match? How much did they have to go through to post such dominant results that they had the exclusive luxury of throwing their fans a bone from the throne by fielding aging and amateur players against their long-time rivals, KT(F)?

Answer: A fucking lot.

Now realize that previous to this finals, they have the most proleague gold medals and the most individual league medals. These people clearly know how to prepare and clutch a finals win. These people are GOOD at what they do, which is WINNING.

Like I said, this is real life competition, even if it is battled in a virtual world. The strong succeed, the weak fail and falter and get shat on. And SKT1 has been downing Big Macs and laxatives so that as soon as whichever pathetic excuse for a team steps up to the challenge of facing SKT1 in the finals, they can unleash a shitstorm of rape and horror. That is assuming the opposing team doesn't realize their obvious pipedream and forfeits. Note how it doesn't matter which team is in question here. NEWS FLASH! In a conventional hierarchy, they would be the jester (Sparkyz), dunce (Soul), fat and injured guard (Khan) and hopeless pretenderspaupers (CJ) in the Court of King SKT1. Suckas gonna get their asses beat.

[2] Roster of Champions

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"I drop bombs like Hiroshima, bitch suck on my wiener."


I touched upon this earlier, but it needs to be made more evident how retarded strong SKT1's line-up is. Here we go:

*1.*
---BISU---
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Multitask. Harass. Micro. Macro. Cockiness. Balls. Handsomeness. Sex. Sex. Sex. Yea.


Everyone knows there are 3 Kings in the pro scene right now. Those 3 Kings are none other than Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu. I'm not going to go into why Bisu is better than both of them.
Well okay, I will:
+ Show Spoiler +
Because he is.+ Show Spoiler +
Yea, I'm kidding.

That last statement aside, Bisu's record tends to go unnoticed when it comes to comparison between the three of them. He only sports a measly 64.26%, compared to Jaedong's 68.64% and Flash's 67.02%. What people don't seem to remember is the fact that Bisu won 2 MSLs before Jaedong had his OSL win and before Flash had pubic hair. What people don't seem to remember is that he was just a guy doing his noobie attempt at a dark horse run, up until the moment when he came all over that Thai hooker's face and realized "Wait, I'm fucking Bisu." That's when the last bonjwa of BW fell. And he fell at Bisu's knees.

Although he has been eliminated from the OSL by some spectacular Queen play, sealing his status as officially cursed by the OSL Gods, he is still an indisputably impenetrable force. #1 ELO Peak anyone?

1 win short of being in a three-way tie for most wins this season, he has a much better winning percentage, and was only denied that title because SKT1 decided to send the kids and the Emperor out to play against KT. Bisu has been the BEST player in this Proleague, hands down. What will he have to bring to the table in the finals? 1 Win, 2 if SKT1 decides to play a prank by making it seem like they can lose by dropping a few games for it to come down to ace match, so that Bisu can laugh in the face of whatever pathetic opponent stands before him as he attacks him on 5 fronts. Let's see what his chances are by MU:

PvP: No contest.
PvZ: Jaedong, otherwise no contest (Queens included).
PvT: No contest, except Flash or Fantasy, both of which he will not be facing.

1-0 SKT1-ChoboTeam.

*2.*
---FANTASY---
[image loading]
Che Guevara reincarnated and trained to own bitches in StarCraft.


Fantasy is the next hot thing. His TvP is the best. His TvZ was revolutionary. His TvT is... not as good as Flash's but definitely top-tier. Fantasy, fresh off of 2 OSL silvers, this kid has been a consistently dominating force everywhere in the pro scene.

This kid, like Bisu and Boxer in his prime, is not just results - it's about the flair. Have you seen his game vs. Stork? His games vs. Bisu? His games vs. Jaedong? This kid is a fucking monster when it comes to dropship harass and multitask. In the game vs. Stork, the epic match of dropships between a PvT specialist (even if he is slumping, tell me that game was not high-calibre) and a TvP annihilation machine, he displayed his stellar control, and had the macro to back it up. I don't see any Protoss except Bisu, maaaybe Jangbi (if he stops slumping), taking him down. And you know he will probably be playing TvP in the finals. Yea, chalk that one up for SKT1. 2-0.

*3.*
---BEST---
[image loading]
I should just put a picture of a tank steamrolling over the galaxy or some shit.
EDIT: OH.. OH GOD.. OOOH SHIIIIIIII-
[image loading]


Best... Oooh Best... OSL silver medalist to JulyZerg, a ZvP guru, Best is a mixed bag of ridiculously strong skills and a few glaring deficiencies. His PvZ... Let's not go there. Oh wait, it doesn't matter anyway, since no one is stupid enough to send him out for PvZ.

His PvP is what the fuck is there even need to talk about his PvP? Yea.

His PvT is also stellar, which is why I made that steamrolling comment there. You think the game is going normally and Best might even be behind at points because he generally doesn't do flashy micro like Stork has at times and Bisu does almost daily, then the camera flashes up to the rally point outside his natural and all you hear is surprised Korean "OOOH"s going off from crowd and commentators alike because the screen is just a block of zealots and goons. It's like this kid was locked in the SKT1 basement for a few months, with his face chained to a TV playing Reach vs. Oov on Mercury over, and over, and over again. Best then proceeds to stream, no, tsunami the units into the Terran base, often directly and without arbiter assistance. Yea, it's like that.

So once again, who can beat him?

PvP: Stork and Jangbi. Oh wait, they are probably alcoholics and going through anti-depressants like kids through PEZ dispensers. Kal? Maybe. Maybe on that day your predictions will stop sucking, too. Not likely though.
PvZ: Anyone including your D- friend who compstomps. Too bad he won't be playing that.
PvT: Can you think of a Terran in the remaining teams that can reasonably take him down? You can make a case for SkyHigh, and it would be a good one if the PL finals happened a few months ago.

3-0.

The other wins should be easy to gather after that, even with a relatively stale remainder of the team. Not saying that they are bad - just not as good as these 3. Except TheZerg. TheZerg sucks.

[3] Revolutionism

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I know you didn't expect to see this here.


SKT1 has Boxer (the first true progamer in existence), Oov, Fantasy, Bisu, Midas to a lesser degree... What do all of these have in common? Revolutionism. I know it's not a word. It is now. Because this article is about SKT1. And SKT1 has Revolutionism in full flare.

The ability to change the face of the game to extent that these 5 players have is unrivaled, individually (IMcompletelyfactualO) and especially in unison. What does this represent? Intelligence. I don't think I need to go into why intelligence is a winning aspect of this game, do I? Just consider the fact that this factors into EVERYTHING - the tailoring of the games, the whole set, the pre-existing abilities and concepts, the depth of their game knowledge, the depth of their ability to prepare counter-strategies before and on the day of the match...

[4] History

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-- Silence as all of you share a moment of reverence, fear and respect for the Emperor --


This kind of ties together all of my previous points - it's the essence of the team, the connotation of the mere name of SKT1 in the pro scene, the "culture" and the ki and the chakra and the whatever the fuck. It's just what they're made of. They are like the ominous presence in the deep darkness. They are the people who radiate confidence when they enter a room, putting everyone's ego and resolve in the drain.

With the Emperor and the Bonjwa Oov undoubtedly at the helm of the SKT1 flagship as master and apprentice, coach and player, the power of the team is undeniable in both pride and support. What I mean by pride is not the hubris which would come naturally to being on this team, I mean the necessity to maintain an image and to perform. You are willing to surrender more for a legacy than you would be if you knew that a loss would be "just another loss." SKT1 does not have those. SKT1 wins. And SKT1 will win this PL finals.

---

P.S.: I don't mean to offend anyone; it's late, I'm high, and I wanted to spice things up a bit. I'm just fanboyin', yo.


Oh, and SKT Zerg is weak?

Hyuk is round of 16 of DUAL leagues! His list of opponents that he demolished recently aren't newbies either. Read and weep, sucker!


As for S2. What do you call this?

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S2 raped my FPL anti-team and now he is gonna rape your team.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 16 2010 02:00 GMT
#155
On July 16 2010 09:54 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 08:27 Mykill wrote:
Why don't you SKT1 fans go make your own thread on why SKT1 will win.

Reasons why SKT1 will lose:
Zerg. We all know how SKT1 zerg screwd the whole team over. saying Hyuk is good is just lying to yourself. SKT1Zerg is synonymous to sucks



There is one:

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 10:26 Murderotica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

This is my stomping of the vastly uneducated opinions of others in the following threads:
Blind CJ Fanboyism
Blind STX Fanboyism


Just kidding. I just thought this format was rather cool, and decided to make one before anyone else (hopefully?) about the King of Kings, the Emperor's Palace, SK Telecom T1.

[image loading]
Rape Imminent


That's right, S-K-mother-fucking-T-One. Ever seen a great game played by Rainbow? Canata? Midas? Best? Fantasy? Bisu? Oov? Boxer? Oh, you have? Well then SKT1 is in your head, subliminally telling you the truth everyone should know by now: SKT1 is the best team in the history of StarCraft.

And this is why they will win this year's Proleague.

[1] Gluttony

[image loading]
Hello welcome to our trophy cabinet, we have gold-plated casts of anuses belonging to inferior teams.
I meant medals.


Everyone is talking about hungry this, want to win that, yadda yadda eye of the tiger bullshit.

This is not a Disney movie, this is not Mighty Ducks 5 or Rocky 6. This is real fucking life. Where I come from there is a very appropriate expression about real life:

"Fortune shines upon those best prepared."


Tell me, how much preparation goes into a Proleague play-off match, a set, a season? How much preparation will the current #1 team go through for the final match? How much did they have to go through to post such dominant results that they had the exclusive luxury of throwing their fans a bone from the throne by fielding aging and amateur players against their long-time rivals, KT(F)?

Answer: A fucking lot.

Now realize that previous to this finals, they have the most proleague gold medals and the most individual league medals. These people clearly know how to prepare and clutch a finals win. These people are GOOD at what they do, which is WINNING.

Like I said, this is real life competition, even if it is battled in a virtual world. The strong succeed, the weak fail and falter and get shat on. And SKT1 has been downing Big Macs and laxatives so that as soon as whichever pathetic excuse for a team steps up to the challenge of facing SKT1 in the finals, they can unleash a shitstorm of rape and horror. That is assuming the opposing team doesn't realize their obvious pipedream and forfeits. Note how it doesn't matter which team is in question here. NEWS FLASH! In a conventional hierarchy, they would be the jester (Sparkyz), dunce (Soul), fat and injured guard (Khan) and hopeless pretenderspaupers (CJ) in the Court of King SKT1. Suckas gonna get their asses beat.

[2] Roster of Champions

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"I drop bombs like Hiroshima, bitch suck on my wiener."


I touched upon this earlier, but it needs to be made more evident how retarded strong SKT1's line-up is. Here we go:

*1.*
---BISU---
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Multitask. Harass. Micro. Macro. Cockiness. Balls. Handsomeness. Sex. Sex. Sex. Yea.


Everyone knows there are 3 Kings in the pro scene right now. Those 3 Kings are none other than Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu. I'm not going to go into why Bisu is better than both of them.
Well okay, I will:
+ Show Spoiler +
Because he is.+ Show Spoiler +
Yea, I'm kidding.

That last statement aside, Bisu's record tends to go unnoticed when it comes to comparison between the three of them. He only sports a measly 64.26%, compared to Jaedong's 68.64% and Flash's 67.02%. What people don't seem to remember is the fact that Bisu won 2 MSLs before Jaedong had his OSL win and before Flash had pubic hair. What people don't seem to remember is that he was just a guy doing his noobie attempt at a dark horse run, up until the moment when he came all over that Thai hooker's face and realized "Wait, I'm fucking Bisu." That's when the last bonjwa of BW fell. And he fell at Bisu's knees.

Although he has been eliminated from the OSL by some spectacular Queen play, sealing his status as officially cursed by the OSL Gods, he is still an indisputably impenetrable force. #1 ELO Peak anyone?

1 win short of being in a three-way tie for most wins this season, he has a much better winning percentage, and was only denied that title because SKT1 decided to send the kids and the Emperor out to play against KT. Bisu has been the BEST player in this Proleague, hands down. What will he have to bring to the table in the finals? 1 Win, 2 if SKT1 decides to play a prank by making it seem like they can lose by dropping a few games for it to come down to ace match, so that Bisu can laugh in the face of whatever pathetic opponent stands before him as he attacks him on 5 fronts. Let's see what his chances are by MU:

PvP: No contest.
PvZ: Jaedong, otherwise no contest (Queens included).
PvT: No contest, except Flash or Fantasy, both of which he will not be facing.

1-0 SKT1-ChoboTeam.

*2.*
---FANTASY---
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Che Guevara reincarnated and trained to own bitches in StarCraft.


Fantasy is the next hot thing. His TvP is the best. His TvZ was revolutionary. His TvT is... not as good as Flash's but definitely top-tier. Fantasy, fresh off of 2 OSL silvers, this kid has been a consistently dominating force everywhere in the pro scene.

This kid, like Bisu and Boxer in his prime, is not just results - it's about the flair. Have you seen his game vs. Stork? His games vs. Bisu? His games vs. Jaedong? This kid is a fucking monster when it comes to dropship harass and multitask. In the game vs. Stork, the epic match of dropships between a PvT specialist (even if he is slumping, tell me that game was not high-calibre) and a TvP annihilation machine, he displayed his stellar control, and had the macro to back it up. I don't see any Protoss except Bisu, maaaybe Jangbi (if he stops slumping), taking him down. And you know he will probably be playing TvP in the finals. Yea, chalk that one up for SKT1. 2-0.

*3.*
---BEST---
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I should just put a picture of a tank steamrolling over the galaxy or some shit.
EDIT: OH.. OH GOD.. OOOH SHIIIIIIII-
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Best... Oooh Best... OSL silver medalist to JulyZerg, a ZvP guru, Best is a mixed bag of ridiculously strong skills and a few glaring deficiencies. His PvZ... Let's not go there. Oh wait, it doesn't matter anyway, since no one is stupid enough to send him out for PvZ.

His PvP is what the fuck is there even need to talk about his PvP? Yea.

His PvT is also stellar, which is why I made that steamrolling comment there. You think the game is going normally and Best might even be behind at points because he generally doesn't do flashy micro like Stork has at times and Bisu does almost daily, then the camera flashes up to the rally point outside his natural and all you hear is surprised Korean "OOOH"s going off from crowd and commentators alike because the screen is just a block of zealots and goons. It's like this kid was locked in the SKT1 basement for a few months, with his face chained to a TV playing Reach vs. Oov on Mercury over, and over, and over again. Best then proceeds to stream, no, tsunami the units into the Terran base, often directly and without arbiter assistance. Yea, it's like that.

So once again, who can beat him?

PvP: Stork and Jangbi. Oh wait, they are probably alcoholics and going through anti-depressants like kids through PEZ dispensers. Kal? Maybe. Maybe on that day your predictions will stop sucking, too. Not likely though.
PvZ: Anyone including your D- friend who compstomps. Too bad he won't be playing that.
PvT: Can you think of a Terran in the remaining teams that can reasonably take him down? You can make a case for SkyHigh, and it would be a good one if the PL finals happened a few months ago.

3-0.

The other wins should be easy to gather after that, even with a relatively stale remainder of the team. Not saying that they are bad - just not as good as these 3. Except TheZerg. TheZerg sucks.

[3] Revolutionism

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I know you didn't expect to see this here.


SKT1 has Boxer (the first true progamer in existence), Oov, Fantasy, Bisu, Midas to a lesser degree... What do all of these have in common? Revolutionism. I know it's not a word. It is now. Because this article is about SKT1. And SKT1 has Revolutionism in full flare.

The ability to change the face of the game to extent that these 5 players have is unrivaled, individually (IMcompletelyfactualO) and especially in unison. What does this represent? Intelligence. I don't think I need to go into why intelligence is a winning aspect of this game, do I? Just consider the fact that this factors into EVERYTHING - the tailoring of the games, the whole set, the pre-existing abilities and concepts, the depth of their game knowledge, the depth of their ability to prepare counter-strategies before and on the day of the match...

[4] History

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-- Silence as all of you share a moment of reverence, fear and respect for the Emperor --


This kind of ties together all of my previous points - it's the essence of the team, the connotation of the mere name of SKT1 in the pro scene, the "culture" and the ki and the chakra and the whatever the fuck. It's just what they're made of. They are like the ominous presence in the deep darkness. They are the people who radiate confidence when they enter a room, putting everyone's ego and resolve in the drain.

With the Emperor and the Bonjwa Oov undoubtedly at the helm of the SKT1 flagship as master and apprentice, coach and player, the power of the team is undeniable in both pride and support. What I mean by pride is not the hubris which would come naturally to being on this team, I mean the necessity to maintain an image and to perform. You are willing to surrender more for a legacy than you would be if you knew that a loss would be "just another loss." SKT1 does not have those. SKT1 wins. And SKT1 will win this PL finals.

---

P.S.: I don't mean to offend anyone; it's late, I'm high, and I wanted to spice things up a bit. I'm just fanboyin', yo.


Oh, and SKT Zerg is weak?

Hyuk is round of 16 of DUAL leagues! His list of opponents that he demolished recently aren't newbies either. Read and weep, sucker!


As for S2. What do you call this?

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S2 raped my FPL anti-team and now he is gonna rape your team.


That one's from last year. Go update it.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 16 2010 02:09 GMT
#156
ENTUS WILL WIN

-_-

CJ I believe~
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 16 2010 03:22 GMT
#157
On July 16 2010 08:27 Mykill wrote:
Why don't you SKT1 fans go make your own thread on why SKT1 will win.

Reasons why SKT1 will lose:
Zerg. We all know how SKT1 zerg screwd the whole team over. saying Hyuk is good is just lying to yourself. SKT1Zerg is synonymous to sucks


but hyuk is good, more or less. hes been getting zvt results lately and he plays zvp well enough to be considered favoured against everyone that isnt bisu (and unfortunately bisu is on his team ,) and his zvz is pretty competent too. he's definitely more of a problem for cj than a weakness for sktelecom
HEY MEYT
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 16 2010 17:03 GMT
#158
Knew after all their whining that these other so-called fans of rival teams would come along, and scrap together a hasty list of "reasons" that their team will triumph.

Too late though, this thread's been churning out good karma for several days now. 11 HOURS before CJ begins it's royal beatdown on the universe!
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pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
July 16 2010 17:43 GMT
#159
Sorry SKT1 fans, but FUTURE HAS BEEN ALREADY DECIDED

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StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 17 2010 07:13 GMT
#160
(-_-)
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz_-VaTHpc8

YEEEEAAAAH. TO THE HILT!
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