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Why CJ Entus will win the Proleague.

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 01:22:49
July 15 2009 00:43 GMT
#1
This is my respone to Ideas' '"Why STX SouL Will Win the Proleague"

I love CJ. Two or so years ago, I was intially a Sparkyz fan. With them trading away Shine, Luxury and Spear, and relying solely on Miracle Boy Leta for their wins (even more than Hwaseung and Jaedong!), I have lost some respect for them and thus I'm now a CJ fan. Mainly due to the fact IdrA resides on that team, as well as housing some of my favourite players.

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Front Row, Left to Right: (T)IdrA, (T)AzAng, (P)Movie, (Z)Kwanro, (P)jjonga, (P)Nbs, (T)Memory, (Z)Orion
Middle Row, Left to Right: (T)BByong, (Z)MIsO, (Z)Devil, (Z)Hydra, (Z)Style, (Z)EffOrt, (P)Much
Back Row, Left to Right: Coach Kim, (T)Iris, (T)sKyHigh, (P)Snow, (T)DarkElf, (Z)sAviOr, Coach Na


Anyway, back onto those 5 topics.

1) Hunger
After winning the inaugural Shinhan Winners League over Hwaseung in an extremely close contest, CJ have never been more eager to take the overall title of SPL 08-09 champions. They have been previously unlucky in 2007 R2 (where they lost to Lecaf (now Hwaseung) ) and 2006 R2 (losing to MBC). The two teams they lost to would eventually win the Grand Final of that respective year.

While results show that CJ have been most dominant in the All-Kill format, their last Proleague win was the pmang cup some 4-5 years ago. This was when the likes of Nal_rA, Midas and GoRush were still on the team. With new talent replacing these greats, such as Movie, Skyhigh and Effort, they definitely have what it takes to take #1.

2) The Aces
Along with STX, CJ have arguably the most solid lineup out of all six post season teams.
CJ, unlike STX, have two top-class players they can rely on. This flexibility allows them to play around with their lineups, if needed.

2.1
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(Z)EffOrt


There is no denying this, Effort has been the rising Zerg star of 2008-2009. After losing a match to (T)ToSsGirL only 18 months ago, he has put in the effort (hah, puns) to improve. Because of this, he is one the hottest players at the moment. Although being eliminated from the current OSL with a 1-2 record, he is still alive in the MSL, with a nice 1-0 buffer against UpMagic. He also surprised many people by defeating Jaedong 2-0 (a result basically unheard of, especially in JZvZ) in this seasons GOM Classic. With July's somewhat sub-par ZvZ skills, Flash's mini-slump and Iris' current skill level, Effort looks to be the main contender for that trophy in GOM, who ever he faces.
CJ wanted a Zerg to replace Savior after his Bonjwa days have past, and after a couple of tough years looking at Orion and Kwanro, they have found it with Effort.

2.2
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(T)sKyHigh


I foresaw current Terran ace Skyhigh's ability to rise up to become the next big Terran when I saw his Starchallenge game against Calm a couple of years ago. Ever since then, he has slowly gone up the ranks, and broke through with his impressive reverse all-kill against Hwaseung in the Winners League final and making it to the Round of 4 of GOM's Classic in Season 2.
Unfortunately, he has broken out of his standard form though. Uncharacteristic losses to the 'pseudo-invincible-in-July' July in GOM's Round of 8, along with failed cheesing of ZerO (twice) in the MSL, has seen him eliminated in all individual leagues for this season. Giving him the ability to concentrate purely on Proleague, will he have what it takes to overcome Leta twice this weekend? We will have to wait and see.

3) The Brains

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This trio of players, (Z)sAviOr, (T)Iris and (P)Much, have been around CJ ever since it's take-over by the corporation itself in 2006. These three have also been the staple of the CJ lineup for the past 3 years. All three were drafted by CJ/GO themselves, and have been fed and raised in the CJ house.

While their mechanical skills may not be up to scratch as the other players, they provide the ability of helping out those with the mechanics. These three are the most important tools CJ have at their possession at this current time. Expect to see crowds go wild when Savior and Iris play.

4) Back-Up

4.1
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(P)Movie


Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy).
I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about )

4.2
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(Z)Kwanro


Funnily enough, Kwanro has also been around for as long as Savior, Much and Iris (he was drafted into the team at a ripe age of 14). Only recently though, he has been showing GOOD results (2-1 Flash anyone?). Because of this, he is in the first Quarter-Finals of his Major League career.

The reason why Kwanro stands out of the crowd of those other zergs is because of Style.
Style of aggression, never ending assaults. Similar to how July played his Zerg back in the day. These days, forumers will be shocked if they see a 12 hatch or even 3 hatch play from him.

4.3
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(P)Nbs


I have to admit one thing here, Nbs sucks. I don't really see anything out of him that makes him a better player than Snow or even Jjonga. If CJ sent him out against Horang2 on Colosseum, then so be it. Good luck to him.

4.4
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(P)Snow


Now here is someone I am excited about. Hyped by IdrA as 'bigger than Movie', Snow has unfortunately shown two lackluster performances against Bisu and Bogus in the last two weeks. If it's nerves, fine. Lack of skill? Don't think so. Seeing replays of him makes me think that he is truly good. Lets hope that CJ send him out next week if they win against hite this weekend.

4.5
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(Z)Orion


Most notable for winning PGL Season 4 over Lx last year, Orion hasn't been able to be sent out mostly because of CJ's excellent Zerg line.
If CJ want variation in their line-up, Orion is one to look for.

4.6
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(P)jjonga, (Z)Devil and (Z)Hydra have been showing good performances in both GOM and the just-finished Minor League. These three can be surprise packets in the lineup, but won't probably be shown anytime soon. Possibly next season though? Only time will tell.

5) Weaknesses

5.1 - Sniping
If teams play their players well, CJ can be easily defeated by a good line-up. Three unfavorable match-ups can end up a defeat for CJ. Fortunately, hite haven't done their homework and have sent out favourable match-ups for CJ.

5.2 - Fatigue?
It could be possible that Effort and Skyhigh may be overworked due to the two-game policy KeSPA has imposed. Nether the less, I know these guys are strong, and will overcome.

6) Final Words
CJ 화이팅!

Sorry if there are any mistakes in spelling or grammar, I just wrote this up while eating breakfast.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
July 15 2009 00:47 GMT
#2
good morning then

its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 15 2009 00:48 GMT
#3
I will be really surprised if CJ gets knocked out by Hite.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 00:58:12
July 15 2009 00:51 GMT
#4
+ Show Spoiler [I was stupid, see below] +
On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:
4.1
(P)Movie


Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy).
I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about )

Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster.

Edit to remove image.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
July 15 2009 00:53 GMT
#5
On July 15 2009 09:47 disciple wrote:
good morning then

its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it

Piratezerg, mustachezerg, and that other one...i forget his name lol, but he must be good ^^
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
July 15 2009 00:53 GMT
#6
On July 15 2009 09:51 Pyrthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:
4.1
(P)Movie


Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy).
I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about )

Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster.

Edit to remove image.


http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/month_details.php?calendar_year=2009&calendar_month=7#event_1458

Line 3

?????
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 15 2009 00:55 GMT
#7
Nice read GTR, I hope CJ can pull this off =/

Also, good morning!
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 00:56:13
July 15 2009 00:55 GMT
#8
On July 15 2009 09:53 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 09:51 Pyrthas wrote:
On July 15 2009 09:43 GTR wrote:
4.1
(P)Movie


Movie is a beast. Although knocked out of the MSL and GOM thanks to a certain Hwaseung Zerg, he has shown that he has the ability to knock off games from S-Class players (he was that close to beating Fantasy).
I expect him to be used as a sniper, and hell, he'll be breaking wild like how fRoD does with an AWP. (CS players should know what I'm talking about )

Not trying to argue with the overall post (although you can probably guess from my team tag which of the two "... will win the proleague" posts I'm hoping comes true ), but according to this, movie is currently off the roster.

Edit to remove image.


http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/month_details.php?calendar_year=2009&calendar_month=7#event_1458

Line 3

?????
Lolol I didn't even think to check. I sure look stupid now. Edit: But now I'm curious. Does that mean he was put back on the roster, or are you allowed to use more people for the playoffs, or what?
-dash
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands103 Posts
July 15 2009 00:55 GMT
#9
On July 15 2009 09:47 disciple wrote:
good morning then

its such a shame to see stx and cj killing each other so early in the playoff stage, but meh. I expect some OZ fan to make a similar thread with only a Jaedong picture in it


I wanted to make one for Samsung with just a firebathero-gif, but decided against it.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
July 15 2009 00:59 GMT
#10
He was put back on the roster.
The only reason why CJ removed him was that he could concentrate on MSL more.
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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 15 2009 01:09 GMT
#11
Even if I posted that I'd be okay with STX going all the way, my heart is with CJ. I hope they take it.
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 15 2009 01:17 GMT
#12
Whats with the 2 game policy? 1 player can only play up to 2 games I presume(Does that mean you can send say skyhigh to play games 1 and 2, but then can't send him for ace?)?

I can't believe Kwanro has been with CJ as long as the 3 greats. Good luck to him now. and i'm extremely glad Iris is TvTing twice against Hite. Hes ace at that match up.

cool write up also. CJ fighting!
IRIS FIGHTING!!!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
July 15 2009 01:18 GMT
#13
for that group picture
2nd row question marks are miso_lt, devil, by.hydra and the guy you have labeled as devil is by.style
3rd row ?'s are by.snow, coach na, and the guy you have labeled as coach na is coach kim
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51574 Posts
July 15 2009 01:22 GMT
#14
On July 15 2009 10:18 IdrA wrote:
for that group picture
2nd row question marks are miso_lt, devil, by.hydra and the guy you have labeled as devil is by.style
3rd row ?'s are by.snow, coach na, and the guy you have labeled as coach na is coach kim


thanks, i expected you to come in and help complete the picture
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 01:38:01
July 15 2009 01:37 GMT
#15
PLAGIARISM
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 15 2009 04:37 GMT
#16
yo seriously that savior pic with him wiping his mouth looks badass

just wanted to say that
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GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 15 2009 04:41 GMT
#17
kwanro is on fire ~
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
July 15 2009 04:46 GMT
#18
Aw shit time for me to make one.
Peace~
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
July 15 2009 04:50 GMT
#19
Definitely cheering for CJ in this matchup. (:
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 15 2009 04:55 GMT
#20
If (Z)Kwanro kwanrolls, and (P)Movie pretends it's the MSL, then I'm not worried at all.

But I'm not sure if that'll happen. Great write-up though, except for the fact that you used the worst possible picture of sKyHigh, and another bad one of Movie. CJ needs a resident dermatologist.
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