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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
July 15 2010 04:38 GMT
#121
with a little bit of luck, i think cj will do quite well. and by luck, i mean skyhigh not getting a tvz or tvp, snow not getting a pvz or pvp, movie not getting sent out on anything except fortress

nah all jokes, i think they have some quality players and underrated players that can pick up some slack
HEY MEYT
AncienTs
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan227 Posts
July 15 2010 04:38 GMT
#122
this is my favorite line:

But with the cancer purged from its system, CJ is resurgent.
Starcraft Disclaimer Language: There is no imbalance, nothing is OP.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 15 2010 04:39 GMT
#123
I kind of want to make one of these for KT but I have no idea how to scrounge up the pictures. Here's hoping someone does something as similarly hyping for the other teams.
Remember Violet.
serenidite
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)505 Posts
July 15 2010 05:42 GMT
#124
that octopus ! aha ~ anyways ..

im not sure about CJ chances imo. it was a nice writeup but lets look at this.

Iris is very on and off as a player. as a motivating presence i guess he could be important
Effort is far and away CJ's best player. Will he bring his A-game? depends on how bad he wants it
Skyhigh/Movie are both slumping imo. Neither are playing to their potential which is huge,
Snow is the ace card imo. All teams are expecting effort to play his best and will send their big guns against him. But snow.. dear snow. this kid is amazing

look foward to him making a big splash. but besides that.. im not sure
SKT has more "depth" imo
SKT has more "in form" players (bisu coming back, canata and best winning games)
and SKT has been there before. no doubt they want it again
" Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
Corrupt
Profile Joined August 2009
Bulgaria1312 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 06:21:01
July 15 2010 06:17 GMT
#125
On July 15 2010 10:42 King K. Rool wrote:
Iris vs Bisu rematch plz.

!!!!!!!!!!!

+ Show Spoiler +
Just a guy trying to enjoy living in the worst timeline and failing miserably since 1990.
Crahptacular
Profile Joined December 2008
United States295 Posts
July 15 2010 07:00 GMT
#126
What a waste of a topic, that's probably like 1500 words just stating the obvious.
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
July 15 2010 10:26 GMT
#127
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
July 15 2010 14:21 GMT
#128
I'm definitely rooting for CJ after SKT's lame move

CJ FIGHTING


(woonjing T_T)
Writer
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 15 2010 14:49 GMT
#129
On July 15 2010 08:57 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 08:32 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 15 2010 07:33 Lightwip wrote:
On July 15 2010 07:25 WWJDD wrote:
Bisu lost to (P)SeCret. Yeah that (P)SeCret. There's a good chance he'll lose to third tier tosses from CJ. Any Toss from CJ is > 50% chance of win for CJ against Bisu.

Oh please. Pulling out losses from last year is hardly an argument. Especially during someone's slump.


Well, it's a good thing Bisu has already unslumped recently!

[image loading]

he also lost to stats in the osl prelims ro36 seeding tourney thing, but i guess that's not really a real match so w/e

+ Show Spoiler +
I actually like Bisu but to think his PvP is stable right now is a joke. Less fanboying please.



That record is NOT a good indication of Bisu's current PvP form. The losses prior to Bisu v.s. Pusan occurred during the period of Bisu's slump.

And Bisu v.s. Tempest serves as a horrible example. Tempest had the biggest BO advantage possible over Bisu. Not to mention that it was likely that Bisu was sent on the fourth set to fight against Flash, not Tempest.

Although Bisu's loss to Pusan is inexcusable as Pusan simply outplayed Bisu at that time, let us keep in mind that Pusan was on a four PL game streak against Free, Movie, Really and Bisu. So Pusan is not horrible. In addition, Best showed an absolutely beautiful PvP game this week against Kal and Best claimed he is 50/50 against Bisu in practice.


And the excuses roll right in!!!!!!!!
WWJDD??
tryTRY
Profile Joined November 2009
United States24 Posts
July 15 2010 15:25 GMT
#130
skt has better coaches imo
yule
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 15 2010 15:32 GMT
#131
Just you wait, one of us SKT1 fans will make a better and more brilliant reasoning thread than this one to prove you all wrong. Go SKT1!!!!

On July 16 2010 00:25 tryTRY wrote:
skt has better coaches imo


I agree, remember this new T1 Zerg coach and how he pulled all these T1 zergs players from ugly to bad to good? :D
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
July 15 2010 15:37 GMT
#132
I have to root for CJ this season. I mean, nobody else can hold a candle to their depth. KTFlash is falling apart and STX has apparently all been learning to play with the toes or something. So it's gotta be CJ.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
July 15 2010 15:40 GMT
#133
SK Telecom T1 winning against CJ Entus would be counter-productive to the development of E-Sports.
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eNyoron
Profile Joined September 2009
United States170 Posts
July 15 2010 16:00 GMT
#134
(Z)EffOrt is pretty much a guaranteed Win for CJ, unless (P)Bisu's PvZ returns in full form. Although their record is currently 3-0, those matches were at a point in time where Bisu was playing extremely well and EffOrt was still a Rookie. Bisu's still recovering from his slump whereas EffOrt has been playing solidly (though moreso in the individual leagues than the proleague). Best, while a great player, will probably fall to EffOrt's monster ZvP.

(T)Fantasy's TvZ is his weakest matchup, and his playstyle is what EffOrt excels the most against. While the EffOrt of 2009 struggled with mech play, his current multitasking and map domination ability will trounce mech play. If they do play each other, the game will go down like this: Fantasy will do a quirky build off of two base, possibly doing some econ damage in the process. EffOrt will curtail the damage and slowly work his way up to 4-5 base. Fantasy will try to expo but be unable to hold (depending on the map), and eventually settle for a massive 200 supply ball Push. EffOrt will either: overrun every expo of Fantasy with ling defiler or doop drop the main, and then send wave after wave of zerg to chip away and crush the terran ball of death.

Unfortunately, aside from EffOrt, the ability for other CJ players to score wins relies heavily on the coach placing them in matchups where they have the advantage. Ideal head-to-heads would probably be:

(T)sKyHigh > (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow = (P)Bisu (likely to go either way)
(Z)EffOrt > Best
(P)Movie > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)
(T)Iris > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)

Or, CJ could get totally boned and have to deal with

(P)Movie < (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow < (Z)Hyuk
(Z)EffOrt < (P)Bisu
(T)Iris < Best
0sm9sm8sm... the beginning of the end.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 16:09:27
July 15 2010 16:08 GMT
#135
On July 16 2010 00:32 QuickStriker wrote:
Just you wait, one of us SKT1 fans will make a better and more brilliant reasoning thread than this one to prove you all wrong. Go SKT1!!!!

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:25 tryTRY wrote:
skt has better coaches imo


I agree, remember this new T1 Zerg coach and how he pulled all these T1 zergs players from ugly to bad to good? :D

You mean Mumyung? Because once he left, the zerg players started playing better.
I'm not so sure about Movie's current form.
Jaedong
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
July 15 2010 16:09 GMT
#136
On July 15 2010 02:25 renzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 02:20 Comet702 wrote:
nice reading, hope effort and CJ will perform well in the playoffs


You have a damn T1 banner. And no, I don't believe CJ will even make it out of the first round. Why? They're facing SKT, with a almost 100% Bisu who beat Jaedong two weeks ago.


You mean Bisu who hasn't beaten a protoss player since forever and the best terran his beaten recently is Skyhigh . I doubt he will get lucky with Skyhigh this time .
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-15 16:20:54
July 15 2010 16:14 GMT
#137
On July 16 2010 01:00 eNyoron wrote:
(Z)EffOrt is pretty much a guaranteed Win for CJ, unless (P)Bisu's PvZ returns in full form. Although their record is currently 3-0, those matches were at a point in time where Bisu was playing extremely well and EffOrt was still a Rookie. Bisu's still recovering from his slump whereas EffOrt has been playing solidly (though moreso in the individual leagues than the proleague). Best, while a great player, will probably fall to EffOrt's monster ZvP.

(T)Fantasy's TvZ is his weakest matchup, and his playstyle is what EffOrt excels the most against. While the EffOrt of 2009 struggled with mech play, his current multitasking and map domination ability will trounce mech play. If they do play each other, the game will go down like this: Fantasy will do a quirky build off of two base, possibly doing some econ damage in the process. EffOrt will curtail the damage and slowly work his way up to 4-5 base. Fantasy will try to expo but be unable to hold (depending on the map), and eventually settle for a massive 200 supply ball Push. EffOrt will either: overrun every expo of Fantasy with ling defiler or doop drop the main, and then send wave after wave of zerg to chip away and crush the terran ball of death.

Unfortunately, aside from EffOrt, the ability for other CJ players to score wins relies heavily on the coach placing them in matchups where they have the advantage. Ideal head-to-heads would probably be:

(T)sKyHigh > (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow = (P)Bisu (likely to go either way)
(Z)EffOrt > Best
(P)Movie > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)
(T)Iris > Zerg player ((Z)Hyuk/(Z)s2/n.Die_Soo)

Or, CJ could get totally boned and have to deal with

(P)Movie < (T)Fantasy
(P)Snow < (Z)Hyuk
(Z)EffOrt < (P)Bisu
(T)Iris < Best


i dunno, last time effort and fantasy played, fantasy mauled him pretty hard (i think it was the last time they played, matchpoint iirc)

either way, like you said theres a couple of people that would beat fantasy, but apart from effort i dunno if theres anyone that can stand up to bisu. and if effort plays bisu, i think hyuk has a solid shot against iris and is a favourite against everyone else. even best looks favourable unless he fights effort
HEY MEYT
QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 15 2010 16:18 GMT
#138
On July 16 2010 01:08 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2010 00:32 QuickStriker wrote:
Just you wait, one of us SKT1 fans will make a better and more brilliant reasoning thread than this one to prove you all wrong. Go SKT1!!!!

On July 16 2010 00:25 tryTRY wrote:
skt has better coaches imo


I agree, remember this new T1 Zerg coach and how he pulled all these T1 zergs players from ugly to bad to good? :D

You mean Mumyung? Because once he left, the zerg players started playing better.
I'm not so sure about Movie's current form.

No, I meant the NEW ONE that makes zerg players start playing better. They still have a coach you know, just NOT Mumyung..
www.twitch.tv/KoreanUsher
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
July 15 2010 19:48 GMT
#139
On July 16 2010 01:09 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2010 02:25 renzy wrote:
On July 15 2010 02:20 Comet702 wrote:
nice reading, hope effort and CJ will perform well in the playoffs


You have a damn T1 banner. And no, I don't believe CJ will even make it out of the first round. Why? They're facing SKT, with a almost 100% Bisu who beat Jaedong two weeks ago.


You mean Bisu who hasn't beaten a protoss player since forever and the best terran his beaten recently is Skyhigh . I doubt he will get lucky with Skyhigh this time .


He 2-0 Mind and 1-0 Skyhigh. But it's not the result that matters.

IT'S THE GAMEPLAY.

Go watch Bisu v.s. Mind series and his game against Skyhigh. Bisu did not just win, BISU DOMINATED LIKE A BOSS! Say what you want about Skyhigh and Mind, they are still solid A-team. Being able to DOMINATE another A-team in today's scene is quite a feat in itself.
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
July 15 2010 19:56 GMT
#140
I'm surprised no T1 fan has responded with a counterpoint thread! Would be fun to see some back and forth before playoffs start.
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