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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 15 2010 04:56 Southlight wrote: What's the difference in positions that made him NOT bunker rush in game 1? edit- derp his position had no way to wall correctly. I keep thinking Odd Eye is a 4p map when it isn't @@ | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On January 15 2010 05:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: They started cross positions. If they started outside of cross positions it would've been a build order win as Bunker Rush + 12 hatch = gg when it's not cross positions. But Flash went 14cc instead which does give him a slight advantage over 12 hatch with cross positions (so any muta/lair rush gets crushed by a booming economy backing 3/4 raxes). Basically, either of Flash's choices crushed what Kwanro went for. Pretty solid sense. LOL I've seen this mistake made 3 separate times already (including once by me.) Take a close look at the map for Odd-Eye... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/262_Odd-Eye.jpg) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 15 2010 04:56 SuperArc wrote: Yeah, sorry for the angry tone in the post. I was just upset when you said "early series/group stages of both tournaments and still have to play proleague because you're not that close to title contention -- this is where Jaedong faltered last season" Jaedong didnt falter in the early stages of the tournament... Flash has been playing incredible this season and he fully deserves two final appearances, its just... Jaedong deserved it too.  Getting pushed to a game 5 in a sloppy series vs Canata isn't what I'd call Jaedong esque. That plus huge PL obligations -- and FA, I suppose -- all got to him. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On January 15 2010 05:05 motbob wrote: LOL I've seen this mistake made 3 separate times already (including once by me.) Take a close look at the map for Odd-Eye... + Show Spoiler + I corrected myself! It's such a big, econ heavy map you just automatically associate it with being 4P and thus apply it to 4player rush/econ strats. CURSE YOU ODD EYE My point that Flash read Kwanro perfectly stands, though -- 14cc or bunker rush were both the counter builds to Kwanro's 12hatch there, and in doing so Flash's sense was impeccable. :o | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
As Kwanro vs Light showed, it's easy for a zerg to just run in lings and win the game. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
It makes sense too, because of course Jaedong wants to see more of Flash play. yeah pretty much | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
...just wow OR WHAT IF HE TRIPLE BUNKER RUSHES IN THE FINALS ... epic | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On January 14 2010 22:52 dasanivan wrote: With jaedong's resolve and ZvP there is no way Kal can beat him in a Bo5. I'm already warming my seat for the Jaedong vs Flash finals. I can't believe the dream finals are about to come true. Yea and too bad kal has no good zergs to practice with...oh wait. I dont disagree with jaedong being the favorite but to say kal has no chance is foolish, that guy sneaks dts in bases alot so theres always a chance. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
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789
United States959 Posts
 Jaedong helping  Flash practice for the match. Either Jaedong is a really nice guy, is good friends with Flash, or has alterior motives. Helping someone practice that eliminate you from the OSL, and will face in the finals if both of you win your ro4 matches seems odd. He's either nice or wanted some material to study if he should face him in the MSL finals. Maybe a bit of both. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On January 15 2010 06:18 789 wrote: I'm a little surprised about Jaedong helping Flash practice for the match. Either Jaedong is a really nice guy, is good friends with Flash, or has alterior motives. Helping someone practice that eliminate you from the OSL, and will face in the finals if both of you win your ro4 matches seems odd. He's either nice or wanted some material to study if he should face him in the MSL finals. Maybe a bit of both.They're friends and JD is nice | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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Endurethetoothache
United States51 Posts
815 against Kwanro. I mean Jaedong didn't do that much. 815 is the real hero here! | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
Flash obviously didn't take Kwanro seriously...But how funny would it be if Flash 3-0'd Jaedong with 3 consecutive bunker rushes xDOn January 15 2010 06:18 789 wrote: I'm a little surprised about Jaedong helping Flash practice for the match. Either Jaedong is a really nice guy, is good friends with Flash, or has alterior motives. Helping someone practice that eliminate you from the OSL, and will face in the finals if both of you win your ro4 matches seems odd. He's either nice or wanted some material to study if he should face him in the MSL finals. Maybe a bit of both.JD/Stork/Flash are buttbuddies i believe | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
I think it's more than that though, JD already keeps on saying that his MSL was so easy so far (which it was) and I do think that he always wants to play the best player, he always says that during group selection, too (unlike bisu for example). I mean JD vs Kwanro would be an automatic win for him, Jaedong doesnt have undefeatable JvZ anymore but against Kwanro it would be an easy win. He wants a challenge, he wants to play the best. And that's exactly whats gonna happen if he beats kal | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
On January 14 2010 22:46 SuperArc wrote: Is there anyone who shows more sportsmanship than Jaedong? He has his own semi-finals to play and even skipped PL game on Saturday to prepare against Kal, but yet he finds time to practice with Flash. I am speechless... What? Flash has a pl game, the osl finals and the msl finals and JD has one semis and he's the one with awsome sportsmanship? You're joking right? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 15 2010 09:45 Scaramanga wrote: What? Flash has a pl game, the osl finals and the msl finals and JD has one semis and he's the one with awsome sportsmanship? You're joking right? It was Flash's game, not Jaedong's. Did you know? | ||
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On January 15 2010 05:06 TwoToneTerran wrote: Getting pushed to a game 5 in a sloppy series vs Canata isn't what I'd call Jaedong esque. That plus huge PL obligations -- and FA, I suppose -- all got to him. sloppy game!?!?!? wtf? is it just because it actually went to a game 5 that its sloppy? the only sloppy game in this series was game 5 where canata lost very suddenly. just because jaedong had a hard time doesnt mean he played bad, it can also mean canata played really well. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
- You went for a bunker rush in the second and third set.. SO IT WAS THE COACH THAT RUINED THE BO5▲ I initially planned for three consecutive bunker rushes in the first three sets. I planned to do bunker rushes in the second and third set from a long time ago. I might have gone for a bunker rush in the first set if our positions were switched. My coach said that it would be extremely funny if I went for three bunker rushes in a row. | ||
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