[Interview] Nate MSL Semi-Finals Day 1 - Page 5

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 14 2010 20:04 GMT

#81

On January 15 2010 04:56 Southlight wrote:
What's the difference in positions that made him NOT bunker rush in game 1?

edit- derp his position had no way to wall correctly.

I keep thinking Odd Eye is a 4p map when it isn't @@

motbob

United States12546 Posts

January 14 2010 20:05 GMT

#82

On January 15 2010 05:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:

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They started cross positions. If they started outside of cross positions it would've been a build order win as Bunker Rush + 12 hatch = gg when it's not cross positions. But Flash went 14cc instead which does give him a slight advantage over 12 hatch with cross positions (so any muta/lair rush gets crushed by a booming economy backing 3/4 raxes). Basically, either of Flash's choices crushed what Kwanro went for. Pretty solid sense.

LOL I've seen this mistake made 3 separate times already (including once by me.) Take a close look at the map for Odd-Eye...
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TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 14 2010 20:06 GMT

#83

On January 15 2010 04:56 SuperArc wrote:

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On January 15 2010 04:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:

On January 15 2010 04:06 SuperArc wrote:

On January 15 2010 03:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:

On January 15 2010 00:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:

On January 15 2010 00:20 Alethios wrote:
No player has won both titles in a single season.

Both (Z)

sAviOr and (T)

NaDa have held both titles at the same time though.

Nada won both titles in a season, though the formatting back then made the scheduling for MSL and OSL a month(?) apart.

Well, depends on how you look at it. Here are the tournaments:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/51_KPGA_4th_Tour

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/50_Panasonic_OSL

Looking at the dates. He was playing the latter stages of the MSL at the same time he was playing the earlier stages of the OSL. The only thing that was a month apart were the finals, really.

It's still very impressive, but it obviously wouldn't be as impressive as winning the OSL and MSL in the same season like Flash has a shot at. The individual finals will be played less than one week apart, which is a much tougher schedule.

THOUGH, amusingly enough, Jaedong/Kal will only have 1 more day of unfettered practice time over Flash, since he plays the OSL finals the day after Kal vs Jaedong. It's only a slight practice advantage. The most difficult part, I think, is when you're in the early series/group stages of both tournaments and still have to play proleague because you're not that close to title contention -- this is where Jaedong faltered last season and, frankly, where every progamer not named Nada has faltered as well. Once you get to this stage it's just playing 2 Bo5s a week apart while taking a small break from PL after fulfilling his duties which, honestly? Doesn't seem that bad for Flash.

I'm just rambling but I think Flash's workload isn't so bad right now and he has a real shot at this. Totally excited. But hell, I'll just be content with an OSL title. :3

Flash just got damn lucky his MSL and OSL matches were so far apart.

Jaedong had to play against Calm on one day and against fantasy the next.

Wow thanks for repeating me when I said Flash has a more lenient schedule. The difference is you come off as really angry and decide to vilify Flash. =\

man just last season I could bring it upon myself to say Jaedong was amazing --the best, even-- and still be a fan of Flash. You don't have to diss Flash's accomplishments by calling him lucky. #1 in proleague, MSL and OSL isn't just being lucky.

edit -- actually Flash isn't #1 in MSL. before the semifinals he was 7-1 compared to Jaedong's 7-0. He had significantly harder competition but it's not fair to take away that Jaedong still hasn't dropped a game in MSL.

Yeah, sorry for the angry tone in the post. I was just upset when you said "early series/group stages of both tournaments and still have to play proleague because you're not that close to title contention -- this is where Jaedong faltered last season"

Jaedong didnt falter in the early stages of the tournament...

Flash has been playing incredible this season and he fully deserves two final appearances, its just... Jaedong deserved it too.

Getting pushed to a game 5 in a sloppy series vs Canata isn't what I'd call Jaedong esque. That plus huge PL obligations -- and FA, I suppose -- all got to him.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 14 2010 20:07 GMT

#84

On January 15 2010 05:05 motbob wrote:

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LOL I've seen this mistake made 3 separate times already (including once by me.) Take a close look at the map for Odd-Eye...
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I corrected myself! It's such a big, econ heavy map you just automatically associate it with being 4P and thus apply it to 4player rush/econ strats.

CURSE YOU ODD EYE

My point that Flash read Kwanro perfectly stands, though -- 14cc or bunker rush were both the counter builds to Kwanro's 12hatch there, and in doing so Flash's sense was impeccable. :o

ghostWriter

United States3302 Posts

January 14 2010 20:15 GMT

#85

It's a two player map, but the map isn't symmetrical down the middle. It's diagonally symmetric, which would force you to build buildings side by side instead of top to bottom. iirc, it wouldn't even be marine proof, never mind lings.

As Kwanro vs Light showed, it's easy for a zerg to just run in lings and win the game.

Xxio

Canada5565 Posts

January 14 2010 20:29 GMT

#86

WOW if Jaedong practiced with him no wonder he won.

It makes sense too, because of course Jaedong wants to see more of Flash play.

On January 14 2010 23:00 Piste wrote:

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JD just wanted to get flash's replays.

yeah pretty much

DreaM)XeRO

Korea (South)4667 Posts

January 14 2010 21:07 GMT

#87

wow. what IF he had triple bunker rushed
...just wow

OR WHAT IF HE TRIPLE BUNKER RUSHES IN THE FINALS
... epic

mog87

United States1586 Posts

January 14 2010 21:14 GMT

#88

On January 14 2010 22:52 dasanivan wrote:
With jaedong's resolve and ZvP there is no way Kal can beat him in a Bo5. I'm already warming my seat for the Jaedong vs Flash finals. I can't believe the dream finals are about to come true.

Yea and too bad kal has no good zergs to practice with...oh wait. I dont disagree with jaedong being the favorite but to say kal has no chance is foolish, that guy sneaks dts in bases alot so theres always a chance.

AzureEye

United States1360 Posts

January 14 2010 21:16 GMT

#89

Jaedong vs Flash finals are coming! YES

789

United States959 Posts

January 14 2010 21:18 GMT

#90

I'm a little surprised about (Z)

Jaedong helping (T)

Flash practice for the match. Either Jaedong is a really nice guy, is good friends with Flash, or has alterior motives. Helping someone practice that eliminate you from the OSL, and will face in the finals if both of you win your ro4 matches seems odd. He's either nice or wanted some material to study if he should face him in the MSL finals. Maybe a bit of both.

AzureEye

United States1360 Posts

January 14 2010 21:25 GMT

#91

On January 15 2010 06:18 789 wrote:
I'm a little surprised about (Z)

Jaedong helping (T)

They're friends and JD is nice

mucker

United States1120 Posts

January 14 2010 21:26 GMT

#92

I hope the finals is three games of Jaedong proxy hatching Flash's 14cc.

Endurethetoothache

United States51 Posts

January 14 2010 21:39 GMT

#93

Damn--overkill practicing with (Z)

815 against (Z)

Kwanro. I mean (Z)

Jaedong didn't do that much. (Z)

815 is the real (Z)

hero here!

synapse

China13814 Posts

January 14 2010 22:22 GMT

#94

Flash obviously didn't take (Z)

Kwanro seriously...

But how funny would it be if (T)

Flash 3-0'd (Z)

Jaedong with 3 consecutive bunker rushes xD

On January 15 2010 06:18 789 wrote:
I'm a little surprised about (Z)

Jaedong helping (T)

JD/Stork/Flash are buttbuddies i believe

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

January 14 2010 22:37 GMT

#95

On January 15 2010 06:25 AzureEye wrote:

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They're friends and JD is nice

I think it's more than that though, JD already keeps on saying that his MSL was so easy so far (which it was) and I do think that he always wants to play the best player, he always says that during group selection, too (unlike bisu for example).

I mean JD vs Kwanro would be an automatic win for him, Jaedong doesnt have undefeatable JvZ anymore but against Kwanro it would be an easy win.
He wants a challenge, he wants to play the best. And that's exactly whats gonna happen if he beats kal

Scaramanga

Australia8091 Posts

January 15 2010 00:45 GMT

#96

On January 14 2010 22:46 SuperArc wrote:
Is there anyone who shows more sportsmanship than Jaedong? He has his own semi-finals to play and even skipped PL game on Saturday to prepare against Kal, but yet he finds time to practice with Flash.

I am speechless...

What? Flash has a pl game, the osl finals and the msl finals and JD has one semis and he's the one with awsome sportsmanship? You're joking right?

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

January 15 2010 00:50 GMT

#97

On January 15 2010 09:45 Scaramanga wrote:

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What? Flash has a pl game, the osl finals and the msl finals and JD has one semis and he's the one with awsome sportsmanship? You're joking right?

It was Flash's game, not Jaedong's. Did you know?

nebffa

Australia776 Posts

January 15 2010 01:37 GMT

#98

On January 15 2010 05:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:

Getting pushed to a game 5 in a sloppy series vs Canata isn't what I'd call Jaedong esque. That plus huge PL obligations -- and FA, I suppose -- all got to him.

sloppy game!?!?!? wtf? is it just because it actually went to a game 5 that its sloppy? the only sloppy game in this series was game 5 where canata lost very suddenly. just because jaedong had a hard time doesnt mean he played bad, it can also mean canata played really well.

TwoToneTerran

United States8841 Posts

January 15 2010 01:56 GMT

#99

No, everyone recognized that Jaedong wasn't playing near up to his standard but were very impressed that he seemed to somehow practice the perfect amount to skate by in the MSL without sacrificing success elsewhere. For Jaedong, that was one of the sloppiest series he's ever won or lost.

hyst.eric.al

United States2332 Posts

January 15 2010 02:09 GMT

#100

thanks kona!

- You went for a bunker rush in the second and third set..
▲ I initially planned for three consecutive bunker rushes in the first three sets. I planned to do bunker rushes in the second and third set from a long time ago. I might have gone for a bunker rush in the first set if our positions were switched. My coach said that it would be extremely funny if I went for three bunker rushes in a row.

SO IT WAS THE COACH THAT RUINED THE BO5

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