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machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 21:19:32
January 13 2010 21:18 GMT
#141
If Androide still plays, I would love to see that show match, even if he is "too old" to consider being pro. I haven't seen a non pro terran play tvz well and like they knew what they were doing since Androide. It would be nice to get a gauge on the skill differences between foriegn players and koreans, instead of chalking it up to 1 player not knowing what he was dong.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 13 2010 22:02 GMT
#142
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.


Yeah, definately.

I get what you're saying, I just thought this kid would be more accustomed to korean style Starcraft since people have mentioned that he's in a korean clan and only plays koreans on ICCUP. I think he was probably quite nervous as well, and I'm interested in seeing how he will do in the upcoming games Artosis mentioned in the video.
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ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
January 13 2010 22:17 GMT
#143
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.


Oh, I agree it's ahrd to do all that, and I'm not taking anything away from Terran. I just don't understand why he's getting so hyped up right now. He's been in this scene for a long time, known as a clan hopper, and even an abuser/hacker at one point, but now that Artosis backs him up, everyone's on his bandwagon? ;;

I say he played bad because in the end, a rapes a rape, and the person losing that badly, no matter to who, played bad.
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EvilSky
Profile Joined March 2006
Czech Republic548 Posts
January 13 2010 22:20 GMT
#144
Im not gonna comment on skill or hype, but god is that a horrible nickname, its even worse than shuttle
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 13 2010 23:11 GMT
#145
On January 14 2010 07:20 EvilSky wrote:
Im not gonna comment on skill or hype, but god is that a horrible nickname, its even worse than shuttle


Haha yeah "Terran" is probably the worst nickname ever. It's up there with Darkelf and Zergbong
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 13 2010 23:16 GMT
#146
On January 14 2010 08:11 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 07:20 EvilSky wrote:
Im not gonna comment on skill or hype, but god is that a horrible nickname, its even worse than shuttle


Haha yeah "Terran" is probably the worst nickname ever. It's up there with Darkelf and Zergbong


Why is DarkElf so bad
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 13 2010 23:27 GMT
#147
On January 14 2010 08:16 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 08:11 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 07:20 EvilSky wrote:
Im not gonna comment on skill or hype, but god is that a horrible nickname, its even worse than shuttle


Haha yeah "Terran" is probably the worst nickname ever. It's up there with Darkelf and Zergbong


Why is DarkElf so bad


I dunno, it sounds just like Darkelf looks like; a pimpled-faced nerd with glasses :D
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CoOl]1st[
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States243 Posts
January 13 2010 23:27 GMT
#148
On January 14 2010 06:05 leMaj24 wrote:
i'm pretty sure he was born in 1992, so he's not 15 :X


rofl i know jamel hes been 15 for 5 years;)
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Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
January 14 2010 01:05 GMT
#149
Yeah, if a foreign T plays bad vs a 2 hatching progamer TvZ he loses to the first mutas. If he doesn't, he didn't play bad.
machinehead..
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
412 Posts
January 14 2010 01:29 GMT
#150
I didn't realize the bar was set that low, wow. As terran players we should all be ashamed if so.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 03:00:20
January 14 2010 02:58 GMT
#151
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.
even if it was a korean zerg doing 2 hatch muta, the thing is he basically put up no fight in both games. both games he missed his timing window and gave away a 4th gas, so while he probably didnt do too badly like you said, he got beatly really easily which wont leave a good impression =/

edit: the zerg didnt even need his fourth gas -.-'', im not shitting on terran because i want him to do well and eventually go to korea; but he got owned pretty hard
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 22:26:16
January 14 2010 22:23 GMT
#152
Compared to some of the other foreigner vs progamer vods he didnt do too bad. He also showed some of his game sense like the defiler snipe,tanks on cliff. He looked sloppy because when a zerg is better then a terran at multitasking terran tends to look really sloppy. Add that with probably being nervous that his game was being watched by the coaches it would be obvious he wouldnt play at his regular level. That also might be why he choose to fight with lurks so much. But it was either bad spreads, nervousness or 45 target firing he ended up losing most his force. Just speculating but he might have wanted to show the coaches his rine micro.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
January 14 2010 22:27 GMT
#153
On January 14 2010 11:58 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.
even if it was a korean zerg doing 2 hatch muta, the thing is he basically put up no fight in both games. both games he missed his timing window and gave away a 4th gas, so while he probably didnt do too badly like you said, he got beatly really easily which wont leave a good impression =/

edit: the zerg didnt even need his fourth gas -.-'', im not shitting on terran because i want him to do well and eventually go to korea; but he got owned pretty hard

I disagree with everything you wrote. Further, I don't know at what point foreigners became ridiculously obsessed with timing, but it has to stop.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 14 2010 22:33 GMT
#154
On January 15 2010 07:27 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2010 11:58 We Are Here wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.
even if it was a korean zerg doing 2 hatch muta, the thing is he basically put up no fight in both games. both games he missed his timing window and gave away a 4th gas, so while he probably didnt do too badly like you said, he got beatly really easily which wont leave a good impression =/

edit: the zerg didnt even need his fourth gas -.-'', im not shitting on terran because i want him to do well and eventually go to korea; but he got owned pretty hard

I disagree with everything you wrote. Further, I don't know at what point foreigners became ridiculously obsessed with timing, but it has to stop.


LOL

Dude please explain yourself. Timing is everything ESP timing moving out against two hat muta. If you hit a window or you don't depends on wether you disrupt the zergs tech changes/drone cycles ... everything maybe my b- level of understanding starcraft is wrong but there are HUGE timings involved in TvZ against two hat and if you miss them and never preasure and defend against mutas until post lurker-defiler-4gas you will auto lose .....

thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 14 2010 22:33 GMT
#155
On January 15 2010 07:27 Chill wrote:
Further, I don't know at what point foreigners became ridiculously obsessed with timing, but it has to stop.

I think it's because the only intelligible thing the Korean commentators say to English speakers is 'timingu.' That's why people are so into Jaedong too. They always recognize his name.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 22:40:52
January 14 2010 22:35 GMT
#156
He wasnt talking about that. He meant how mostly everyone in their posts all of a sudden talks like they are a master of timings. Like they say oh so and so's timing is off, oh so and so must attack at this timing or hes going to lose, etc. Just like how everyone and their grandma started overusing terms like mechanics and 10/15 a lot.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5501 Posts
January 14 2010 22:39 GMT
#157
On January 15 2010 07:33 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 07:27 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 11:58 We Are Here wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.
even if it was a korean zerg doing 2 hatch muta, the thing is he basically put up no fight in both games. both games he missed his timing window and gave away a 4th gas, so while he probably didnt do too badly like you said, he got beatly really easily which wont leave a good impression =/

edit: the zerg didnt even need his fourth gas -.-'', im not shitting on terran because i want him to do well and eventually go to korea; but he got owned pretty hard

I disagree with everything you wrote. Further, I don't know at what point foreigners became ridiculously obsessed with timing, but it has to stop.


LOL

Dude please explain yourself. Timing is everything ESP timing moving out against two hat muta. If you hit a window or you don't depends on wether you disrupt the zergs tech changes/drone cycles ... everything maybe my b- level of understanding starcraft is wrong but there are HUGE timings involved in TvZ against two hat and if you miss them and never preasure and defend against mutas until post lurker-defiler-4gas you will auto lose .....


Why do you start all of your posts with LOL, it makes you come off as being really immature.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 14 2010 22:41 GMT
#158
he said something so ridiculous that I was literally laughing.

Go threw my recent posts it isn't that common but thanks for your insightfull opinion about my tl.net table image.
ZZangDreamjOy
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada959 Posts
January 14 2010 22:42 GMT
#159
On January 15 2010 07:33 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2010 07:27 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 11:58 We Are Here wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:17 Chill wrote:
On January 14 2010 06:08 Foucault wrote:
On January 14 2010 01:00 Chill wrote:
Just watched the games. I thought he played pretty well in game 1 actually. Not sure why everyone is saying he played horribly... :O~


Really? Well, lots of small stuff: bad control, timings, leaving medics by the lurkers, loosing lots of sci vessels (due to bad control). Also he didn't do anything that game really and hardly left his nat. Seems like he didn't know what to do at all, wandering around aimlessly with his m&m, being way too defensive.

I guess it's easier to see the small stuff if you're a terran player.

It's also easy to critically judge small things individually and not look at the whole picture.

Edit: My meaning is that people often pick away at the slimmest of details for foreigners. It's really hard to play quickly against a progamer and keep all your timings proper and not get absolutely raped by 2 hatch muta. Which is why I stand by my original comment.
even if it was a korean zerg doing 2 hatch muta, the thing is he basically put up no fight in both games. both games he missed his timing window and gave away a 4th gas, so while he probably didnt do too badly like you said, he got beatly really easily which wont leave a good impression =/

edit: the zerg didnt even need his fourth gas -.-'', im not shitting on terran because i want him to do well and eventually go to korea; but he got owned pretty hard

I disagree with everything you wrote. Further, I don't know at what point foreigners became ridiculously obsessed with timing, but it has to stop.


LOL

Dude please explain yourself. Timing is everything ESP timing moving out against two hat muta. If you hit a window or you don't depends on wether you disrupt the zergs tech changes/drone cycles ... everything maybe my b- level of understanding starcraft is wrong but there are HUGE timings involved in TvZ against two hat and if you miss them and never preasure and defend against mutas until post lurker-defiler-4gas you will auto lose .....



Foreigners should just play THEIR style, and try to win with THEIR own abilities. We aren't mindless macrobots or robots. Beyond a few, like IdrA, Terran, and MorroW, there really are no mindless macro foreigners. Stop this obsession with becoming korean styled gamers, and just play the game.
HitEmUp
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-14 22:45:40
January 14 2010 22:43 GMT
#160
On January 15 2010 07:35 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
He wasnt talking about that. He meant how mostly everyone in their posts all of a sudden talks like they are a master of timings. Like they say oh so and so's timing is off, oh so and so must attack at this timing or hes going to lose, etc. Just like how everyone and their grandma started overusing terms like mechanics and 10/15 a lot.


Even jaedong in a recent interview said "Practice spliting your drones perfectly and macroing perfectly so that you can by sure timing alone get lings into a tosses base when you shouldn't theoretically" like a perfect overpool can sneak lings into a greedy tosses base one out of eight time but that one time that it works it was worth it ...
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