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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:58 EvilTeletubby wrote: Right - So you butting in served no purpose. Anyways, I don't want to derail the thread any further... if you want to respond please PM me. he hadnt replied yet when i wrote mine, and my post served the same purpose as his, you getting angsty was what derailed things. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:57 We Are Here wrote: his suggesting that a strong macro oriented player is a better overall player than a player that relies on gimmicky builds. his using the past bonjwas to prove this points, so what are you on about you can't prove something in that way, especially not of the sort that was attempted to be proven here, and if you put just a little thought into it you'll see that his response actually evaded my point about streakiness: a player can't simultaneously be streaky and be bonjwa anyway, so we could actually both be right and he would have said nothing meaningful about whether, in general, macro players are stronger than gimmicky players. bonjwas are statistically such a small proportion of progamers that it's not really responsive at all to talk about them. i do agree in general that macro players will be better players but there's no reason to think that the best gimmicky player will not be as good as a macro player who is not the best of his race. like i said before, nobody is comparing leta to flash, at least not in this thread. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:58 Ganfei wrote: lol "sc is far too complex for such a simple rating system" yeah, well word of mouth and inhouse results may be more complex but nobody gives a shit. put up or shutup. no results = nobody cares. Yeah, some little Romanian kid might be the next bonjwa, he has potential, doesn't mean he's top 5 world of all time. we arent talking about results. we're talking about whos the better player. i dont think anyones arguing that really's made it further than leta in a starleague, only that really is the more skilled player. and he is as anyone can see simply by watching him play instead of looking at a tlpd page. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
It's like how there's a bunch of practice bonjwas like Magma (who I have no doubt is an absolutely amazing player as evidenced by the praise he gets) or all the SKT1zergs, and all these other "nobodies" (I say that tentatively, it's really hard being a progamer) who get proleague time -- that's great, but it means absolutely nothing if you can't win the stage games. Period. You are not a top 5 terran if you do not perform like a top 5 terran. For all I know, in practice, Really is the best terran in the world, but hell if it only shows nominally. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
also really isnt like the practice bonjwas who are held back by nerves. hes simply a player with a solid style and massive mechanical skill with some rough edges on his play. as you can see by improved results and cleaner games hes refining his play, so in his case the massive skill is very likely to translate into results in the future. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
Players like Puma are amazing practice partners. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1361 Posts
Idra and artosis are defining good as capability. o[twist] and TwoToneTerran are defining good as being effective. Both are valid if somewhat incompatible approaches. But doesn't really relate to the thread. On that note, gl Puma | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 30 2009 18:15 IdrA wrote: actually it means that theyre really good players. which is what we're talking about here. also really isnt like the practice bonjwas who are held back by nerves. hes simply a player with a solid style and massive mechanical skill with some rough edges on his play. as you can see by improved results and cleaner games hes refining his play, so in his case the massive skill is very likely to translate into results in the future. what we were really talking about was leta and whether he was a weaker player. the fact is that any general tendency for macro players to be stronger is negated by the specific skills and tendencies of the players under discussion. in my view, really is putting up results and so is leta, they're both doing nearly as well as flash and sea recently, so the whole debate seems unnecessary | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:48 Artosis wrote: actually, every bonjwa, ever, was an entirely macro oriented player. this includes foreigner bonjwas. Hey Artosis I had a few questions (in a non-aggressive, non-argumentative sort of way): 1) Who are the foreigner bonjawas in your opinion? 2) Who are the other highly requested practice partners? This of course leads into a discussion of who's good online versus offline but that discussion's a mess (your insight would be enlightening, of course). Who are the other practice partners that teams would seek out and try to acquire? | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On December 30 2009 18:18 DM20 wrote: Players like Leta are shitty practice partners. Players like Puma are amazing practice partners. any proof of that? O.o | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On December 30 2009 18:26 darktreb wrote: Artosis and Idra - if you guys were forced to put all your money on a Terran being better than Flash a year from now, who would you put it on? themselves | ||
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Heimatloser
Germany1494 Posts
On December 30 2009 18:26 darktreb wrote: Artosis and Idra - if you guys were forced to put all your money on a Terran being better than Flash a year from now, who would you put it on? even though im neither artosis nor idra: i hope sea will break flash's streak  in a year though every terran will be better then flash cuz flash needs a break after winning 4 starleagues in a row. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On December 30 2009 18:48 d(O.o)a wrote: I like how this thread about puma is about really and leta. Well, there's nothing to say about Puma. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
When Leta practices his build against someone the person isn't improving his game,they are just learning how to play Leta. Practice is very important to the players having someone who can play a standard game perfectly is a lot more valuable in the long run than a player who can grab you a few wins. | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Trust in stats and facts, not delusions rumours and hearsay. | ||
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2minutevictory
United States89 Posts
On December 30 2009 19:07 MuffinDude wrote: Hite really needs a better protoss lineup. no they don't horang2 is good. good at abusing carriers and dts that is. which is all the good you need imo. anyways, i hope puma can play some PL matches over at hite, i wanna see how good he is | ||
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