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Chaos
United States772 Posts
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ccou
United States681 Posts
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bluemanrocks
United States304 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:40 o[twist] wrote: the point is one can reasonably say it's better to play gimmicky and win then to play the preferred macro style and lose i think the point is that this is only true in a very temporary sense, whereas artosis/others are referring to macro styles as more solid in the long run--you can work the kinks out of standard play, but quirky play is built on kinks, so you can never solidify, standardize, or guarantee longstanding high level performance based on gimmicks and gimmicks alone. edit: RIGHT sorry to contribute to derailing, i just got caught up in this little debacle that seems to be going on. good for puma! moving up in the world is a good thing, and imo thats what hes doing by moving from estro to hite. glhf puma! | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:41 EvilTeletubby wrote: Yes, because you're the example we all turn to when asking for things in a straight forward and polite manner.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem  | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1361 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:43 bluemanrocks wrote: i think the point is that this is only true in a very temporary sense, whereas artosis/others are referring to macro styles as more solid in the long run--you can work the kinks out of standard play, but quirky play is built on kinks, so you can never solidify, standardize, or guarantee longstanding high level performance based on gimmicks and gimmicks alone. So why is upmagic in this discussion again? Isn't he exactly the same as leta except without the same level of luck/form? | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:43 bluemanrocks wrote: i think the point is that this is only true in a very temporary sense, whereas artosis/others are referring to macro styles as more solid in the long run--you can work the kinks out of standard play, but quirky play is built on kinks, so you can never solidify, standardize, or guarantee longstanding high level performance based on gimmicks and gimmicks alone. edit: RIGHT sorry to contribute to derailing, i just got caught up in this little debacle that seems to be going on. good for puma! moving up in the world is a good thing, and imo thats what hes doing by moving from estro to hite. glhf puma! tyvm. well said. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:40 o[twist] wrote: the point is, leta can use gimmicky builds to win him some games here and there but a stronger macro oriented player would usually do better overall. i mean where is flash this osl and msl, and where is letathe point is one can reasonably say it's better to play gimmicky and win then to play the preferred macro style and lose On December 30 2009 17:43 bluemanrocks wrote: exactlyi think the point is that this is only true in a very temporary sense, whereas artosis/others are referring to macro styles as more solid in the long run--you can work the kinks out of standard play, but quirky play is built on kinks, so you can never solidify, standardize, or guarantee longstanding high level performance based on gimmicks and gimmicks alone. edit: RIGHT sorry to contribute to derailing, i just got caught up in this little debacle that seems to be going on. good for puma! moving up in the world is a good thing, and imo thats what hes doing by moving from estro to hite. glhf puma! anyways, good luck puma, always liked your tvt | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:43 bluemanrocks wrote: i think the point is that this is only true in a very temporary sense, whereas artosis/others are referring to macro styles as more solid in the long run--you can work the kinks out of standard play, but quirky play is built on kinks, so you can never solidify, standardize, or guarantee longstanding high level performance based on gimmicks and gimmicks alone. this sounds great logically but i'm not sure it's supported by any evidence. macro players are just as streaky in terms of their actual performance, whereas a truly gimmicky player burns out much more quickly than e.g. leta (think horang2 or lucifer imo). i think this is above all a way to carry a banner for players who don't put up good numbers and put down players who do | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:47 o[twist] wrote: this sounds great logically but i'm not sure it's supported by any evidence. macro players are just as streaky in terms of their actual performance, whereas a truly gimmicky player burns out much more quickly than e.g. leta (think horang2 or lucifer imo). i think this is above all a way to carry a banner for players who don't put up good numbers and put down players who do actually, every bonjwa, ever, was an entirely macro oriented player. this includes foreigner bonjwas. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:48 Artosis wrote: actually, every bonjwa, ever, was an entirely macro oriented player. this includes foreigner bonjwas. good thing nobody in this thread is suggesting either leta or really will be bonjwa then. or are you saying puma will be lol | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm And no Greg, I wasn't attempting to be overly polite, just matter-of-factly if nothing else. Anyways, Artosis seemed to know exactly what I was looking for, and responded in kind. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:48 Artosis wrote: actually, every bonjwa, ever, was an entirely macro oriented player. this includes foreigner bonjwas. Boxer was never a bonjwa  | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
To be honest I dont know anything about this player but I look forward to see him playing, and he joined the perfect team for him to prove what he can do. eSTRO has had some really outstanding Terrans lately, maybe they just produced another. | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
i gotta stop postin in this thread i think. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:49 EvilTeletubby wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm And no Greg, I wasn't attempting to be overly polite, just matter-of-factly if nothing else. Anyways, Artosis seemed to know exactly what I was looking for, and responded in kind. certainly, you were looking to point out how his opinion was absurd and he corrected you. luckily its the same outcome as if you asked him to explain further. unfortunately we can still read your first post. | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:49 o[twist] wrote: his suggesting that a strong macro oriented player is a better overall player than a player that relies on gimmicky builds. his using the past bonjwas to prove this point, so what are you on about good thing nobody in this thread is suggesting either leta or really will be bonjwa then. or are you saying puma will be lol | ||
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GosI[Terran]1
Mexico65 Posts
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Ganfei
Taiwan1439 Posts
yeah, well word of mouth and inhouse results may be more complex but nobody gives a shit. put up or shutup. no results = nobody cares. Yeah, some little Romanian kid might be the next bonjwa, he has potential, doesn't mean he's top 5 world of all time. | ||
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