EPTPuMa to hite SPARKYZ - Page 7
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:41 EvilTeletubby wrote: Yes, because you're the example we all turn to when asking for things in a straight forward and polite manner.  In any case, it seems that everyone's forgotten how good leta actualy is. He might not be doing as well as he has been doing lately, but there was a time when Leta was dominating everyone. Remember when he saved Terran in the race wars? Remember when his 2port wraith dominated every zerg not named Jaedong? Remember how he made it to #1 on the power rank? He's the one who made 2port wraith look easy AND kept up in his other matchups. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
2) Macro vs micro ... which is the best? ... I personally don't care, pick your preference. 3) Ultimately it's the results that matter (imo and I'm sure coaches ultimately care about the results the most). If you are good but constantly lose in close games to good players ... well the result is still the same, you LOST. 4) Being a solid macro player (Really) may give you the better results on average but I think being a less solid macro player who cheeses (Leta) will probably give you a greater variation in the quality of opponent you can beat (and lose to) but worse results on average. | ||
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blomsterjohn
Norway463 Posts
can't back that up with facts tho  | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19347 Posts
On December 31 2009 03:06 lac29 wrote: 1) Artosis has strong connections to estro ... of course a lot of us are going to think he has some bias/slant in favor of estro players. 2) Macro vs micro ... which is the best? ... I personally don't care, pick your preference. 3) Ultimately it's the results that matter (imo and I'm sure coaches ultimately care about the results the most). If you are good but constantly lose in close games to good players ... well the result is still the same, you LOST. 4) Being a solid macro player (Really) may give you the better results on average but I think being a less solid macro player who cheeses (Leta) will probably give you a greater variation in the quality of opponent you can beat (and lose to) but worse results on average. he cheeses, but not all the time ._. he can play straight up too | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On December 31 2009 02:22 yhnmk wrote: But upmagic? Dude just a mediocre gimmicky player. *head explodes* Upmagic is mediocre? I don't think so... | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
On December 30 2009 17:24 Artosis wrote: leta cannot be listed with players like fantasy, sea, flash, etc. leta....he did so well on the back of gimicy build orders. yes, he did well, congrats to him for that. but if he faces an S class player in a bo5, hes should fall every single time. Does it also have something to do with the whole cheating thing too? and, if i'm following what you're saying correctly, wouldn't Really benefit from practicing against someone like Leta because he would learn to defend against all kind of weird builds? | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 31 2009 03:29 Silentness wrote: *head explodes* Upmagic is mediocre? I don't think so... Definition of Mediocre : of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad Which is is, he isnt anything special... | ||
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horang3
United States261 Posts
On December 31 2009 04:05 GreEny K wrote: Definition of Mediocre : of only ordinary or moderate quality; neither good nor bad Which is is, he isnt anything special... HIs win rate isn't anything special, his style of playing is. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
 Really, and they are using their personal experience to support their claim that if Leta goes up against Really, the later is surely going to win more games over a spend of 20 games let's say. However the rest of us does not see that evidence, we have no personal experience to watch him first hand. The closest we can come to what idra and artosis experienced is to watch Really's live matches on youtube, then again we still can not make an informed assessment on his play because we just do not process the knowledge to distinguish the difference in mechanics between Leta and Really. Therefore, the only logical argument the rest of us can make without the experience of idra and artosis is from their record on TLPD. Which suggest to us Leta is the better player. Like testie said, Leta's records are better, and against better competition, that is fact. What do we do when we have credible evidence on both sides of an argument? We find a way to come up with a theory that incorporates both side of the argument and create a scenario that the evidences are no longer opposing each other  (Famous example is quantum mechanic and Eistine's relativity) That being said, i like to go along with testie's theory in which leta is better in the past, but really has improved to a point where everybody thinks he's the next big thing, but still hasn't achieve his rightful places on the OSL and MSL. Which satisfies both evidences of being top 5 terran right now, and yet inferior to leta on the TLPD. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I don't see the argument. PuMa should've gone to Woongjin though. He'd play immediately. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
at least we get to see terran other than leta and go.go play on hite now, i hated go.go so much. Leta plays smart, but without solid mechanical skills, he's still never gonna be up there with other s-class players... so when do we get to see puma play for the first time in proleague? is he in the official A-Team roster yet? | ||
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Neivler
Norway911 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On December 31 2009 08:11 Neivler wrote: Thought it said PutMe to hite SPARKYZ Lol, GTR wanna go pro. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
data is nice and all, if they record meaningful data. but they don't. a W and a L don't tell the true story, and high APM, flashy though it may be to think about, isn't a dead giveaway for a win (flash v hero anyone?). seeing the 1st person view tells more about a player than his overall stats. during the recent msl prelim, I watched stats beat nada 2-1 and if.classic 2-0, but his games vs classic were way longer and tougher, and he said so in the interviews. so looking at pure data clearly tells you nothing except who advanced, and although a 1-2 loss looks better than the 0-2 loss, it turns out to be a lie in this case. | ||
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