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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
December 31 2009 03:54 GMT
#141
On December 31 2009 02:12 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2009 01:47 Zozma wrote:
On December 31 2009 01:17 We Are Here wrote:
On December 31 2009 01:14 GreEny K wrote:
On December 30 2009 17:44 Garnet wrote:
Really is a macro beast. Leta is like an A player that pwn all D,C,B players easy but could never reach A+ for some reason. Probably A is his maximum already.


Lol... Are you seriously that Leta can't get A+ on iCCup... No offense to idra but if he can, I think it's a safe assumption that Leta can. Or even worse, leta is not the same rank as mOrrow, Octzerg or whoever else made it to A rank on ladder.
what he means is that leta probably has already hit the ceiling, his already peaked in terms of skill and wont ever become S-Class or win a starleague. whereas really is still rising through the ranks (not saying he will become s-class or anything, but time will tell)
But you've also said that you think Leta's mechanics are weak. Setting aside whether that's true or not, accepting the proposition that his mechanics are weak means that he can still improve further by working on his mechanics, right? So you can't have it both ways.
well it comes down to who has more room for improvement, really polishing his flaws in game and leta improving his mechanics. its of my opinion that really has more potential to improve and this discussion is going nowhere -_-
Where I'm going is that you have to concede is either that Leta is perfect in every single respect or that he can still improve his skills.

What you'd have me believe right now is that mechanics are far more important than cleverness, but you're also saying that a strong mechanical player who isn't too clever has more room for improvement than a weak mechanical player who is very clever.

That doesn't make sense to me.

Besides which, I still object to the statement that Leta's mechanics are bad. Among people who play the game 14 hours a day, is there anyone you can point to who has bad macro?
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 04:00:04
December 31 2009 03:59 GMT
#142
Yeah. Leta's never come off as a player with bad mechanics to me. I mean, he is definitely above average. Maybe that means hes on the weak end for an ace player or someone who can go deep into starleagues, but hes not helpless in the late game by any means. He just has a different focus.

+ ill never say anything bad about leta, I love his harras style tvp too much. Its fucking delicious, even if its so aggressive its unstable and leads to defeats often.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
December 31 2009 04:24 GMT
#143
I know I'm late to the discussion, but I don't see the Leta hate and the Really/Upmagic love.

Having a great macro game makes you more STABLE, but doesn't make you better. When I say stable, I mean a player can play at a level consistently rather than having high peaks and low bottoms. You can say Hite has gimmicky players. Sure, Horang2 is a cheesy bastard and Leta abused 2-port wraith TvZ and dropships TvP. But in the end, wasn't the Sparkyz in the finals and top 6 the past two seasons? Where was estro at that time?

The thing is, there will always be new cheese in SC that will fuck up great mechanical, macro players. And cheesy noobs and veterans will constantly come up with gay builds that will screw up mechanical beasts. Gayness is always a big part of the game. You can't just ignore that.
Meh
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 31 2009 04:46 GMT
#144
It's all very well talking about potential, but until really proves it by winning more games, IMO leta is still the better player. After all we've seen many players never live up to their supposed 'potential'.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 31 2009 05:01 GMT
#145
While some of you might be able to make better informed guesses as to what the future brings, consider the goal of a professional gamer: win games (and develop star power).

If one clearly keeps this criteria in mind, it's easy to compare a gamer to another - results. A pro gamer doesn't develop skills for skills' sake, he or she does so to win, so no matter how "good" they become, it doesn't mean anything until it translates to wins.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
December 31 2009 08:03 GMT
#146
On December 31 2009 05:31 rei wrote:
Both IdrA and artosis see themselves as the same Style as (T)Really, and they are using their personal experience to support their claim that if (T)Leta goes up against (T)Really, the later is surely going to win more games over a spend of 20 games let's say.

However the rest of us does not see that evidence, we have no personal experience to watch him first hand. The closest we can come to what idra and artosis experienced is to watch (T)Really's live matches on youtube, then again we still can not make an informed assessment on his play because we just do not process the knowledge to distinguish the difference in mechanics between (T)Leta and (T)Really. Therefore, the only logical argument the rest of us can make without the experience of idra and artosis is from their record on TLPD. Which suggest to us Leta is the better player. Like testie said, Leta's records are better, and against better competition, that is fact. What do we do when we have credible evidence on both sides of an argument? We find a way to come up with a theory that incorporates both side of the argument and create a scenario that the evidences are no longer opposing each other (Famous example is quantum mechanic and Eistine's relativity)

That being said, i like to go along with testie's theory in which leta is better in the past, but really has improved to a point where everybody thinks he's the next big thing, but still hasn't achieve his rightful places on the OSL and MSL. Which satisfies both evidences of being top 5 terran right now, and yet inferior to leta on the TLPD.

If you want to marry win percentage and impeccable mechanics you have Flash, you is currently the best player in the world. So I'd say the example does exist. And, I never liked Leta; he seems to use builds that exploit a weakness rather than builds that are plain strong.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
December 31 2009 08:17 GMT
#147
leta's a chump by the way
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 31 2009 08:21 GMT
#148
On December 31 2009 17:17 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
leta's a chump by the way


Sorry, but Statistics have you beaten here.
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God i love that little greasemonkey script.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 08:22:47
December 31 2009 08:21 GMT
#149
On December 31 2009 17:17 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
leta's a chump by the way


kind of like that Sea guy, huh?

buhzing

But no really you went head over heels for Leta earlier this year, what's up with the namecalling|? >:[
Remember Violet.
Imagist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia484 Posts
December 31 2009 08:47 GMT
#150
I'm a bit more curious as to why we keep seeing these player transfers rather than trades - similarly to CJ sending Kwanro to Woongjin, what's Estro's interest in shipping PuMa off to the Sparkyz in exchange for nothing but a salary reduction on the team?
I enjoy Starcraft when I'm not too busy being dynamic and attractive.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 31 2009 09:15 GMT
#151
what's this thread about again? Oh, it's about Puma. Yeah, he's an ok kid in my books. Get get 'em, Puma.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
December 31 2009 09:28 GMT
#152
On December 31 2009 18:15 tonight wrote:
what's this thread about again? Oh, it's about Puma. Yeah, he's an ok kid in my books. Get get 'em, Puma.

this thread was never about puma
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mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 09:35:25
December 31 2009 09:32 GMT
#153
sorry browser bugged and double posted.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
December 31 2009 09:33 GMT
#154
On December 31 2009 17:47 Imagist wrote:
I'm a bit more curious as to why we keep seeing these player transfers rather than trades - similarly to CJ sending Kwanro to Woongjin, what's Estro's interest in shipping PuMa off to the Sparkyz in exchange for nothing but a salary reduction on the team?



GGPlay retired due to carpal tunnel so woonjin wanted another zerg to fill his shoes, and they stated that woonjin and cj had somewhat of a friendly relationship from the original ggplay trade from hanbit to cj. Its a shame though, I didnt truly appreciate ggplay's play until he was gone. If it wasnt for fantasys/iloveoovs crazy mech strat hed probably have gone on to capture a second osl over dinotoss.
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-31 09:39:48
December 31 2009 09:38 GMT
#155
On December 31 2009 17:47 Imagist wrote:
I'm a bit more curious as to why we keep seeing these player transfers rather than trades - similarly to CJ sending Kwanro to Woongjin, what's Estro's interest in shipping PuMa off to the Sparkyz in exchange for nothing but a salary reduction on the team?

They get cash in exchange.

EDIT: Oh Free Agency, what an awesome idea from KeSPA. So awesome it clearly makes all teams resort to that.
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
December 31 2009 10:17 GMT
#156
i've sort of got a soft spot for gimmicky players, cause that is the way i like to play. that being said it certainly takes skill to play gimmicky, however its not a skill that is as tangible. i can understand how players who dont get it become so infuriated with us gimmicky guys though
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 10 2010 05:47 GMT
#157
Well, might as well bump this too. >_>
Jaedong
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
January 10 2010 05:51 GMT
#158
On January 10 2010 14:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, might as well bump this too. >_>

Theres no reason that this thread needs to be bumped wth
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 05:52:31
January 10 2010 05:52 GMT
#159
On January 10 2010 14:47 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Well, might as well bump this too. >_>


what does PuMa have to do with anything at all that has happened recently dude? o_o

OHHH RIGHT the artosis idra discussion
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Grim_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States86 Posts
January 10 2010 06:05 GMT
#160
let's just go ahead and bump every thread for the last two years that mentioned + Show Spoiler +
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