EPT[Korean Column] Savior, where Bonjwa Starts & Ends - Page 4
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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cokencheese
Philippines748 Posts
On November 08 2009 05:18 kvilx wrote: Yes I do. Yet, he lost BO5 against Calm after straight-up games. I'm almost 100% sure he's been cutting sleep before MSL Semis; he looked like zombie. Speaking about PL finals, he lost two games due to faulty gameplans and one because of cheese. Bonjwas don't mess up their strats. Bonjwas have that spider-sense to avoid being rushed (Savior is perfect example). Jaedong is great, and I'm not trying to take anything from him, but being Bonjwa is something else than what he is. Something more. I love how you seem to regard a Bonjwa as some sort of religious deity that is beyond all human comprehension. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On November 08 2009 01:35 SuperArc wrote: Of course he was considered bonjwa candidate , but his reign lasted way too short to be one. If hero hadn't knocked Bisu out of Batoo, and Bisu had gone on to win it, he would have been considered a Bonjwa. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On November 08 2009 06:04 jalstar wrote: If hero hadn't knocked Bisu out of Batoo, and Bisu had gone on to win it, he would have been considered a Bonjwa. rofl, Bisu lost his bonjwa candidacy way before by.hero rose up to be a nightmare for him. | ||
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B1nary
Canada1267 Posts
If anything, this article should have made you realize that it wasn't just sAviOr's skill, but also the circumstances of the Zerg race that elevated him to bonjwa status. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On November 08 2009 05:18 kvilx wrote: Yes I do. Yet, he lost BO5 against Calm after straight-up games. I'm almost 100% sure he's been cutting sleep before MSL Semis; he looked like zombie. Speaking about PL finals, he lost two games due to faulty gameplans and one because of cheese. Bonjwas don't mess up their strats. Bonjwas have that spider-sense to avoid being rushed (Savior is perfect example). Jaedong is great, and I'm not trying to take anything from him, but being Bonjwa is something else than what he is. Something more. Watch fantasy vs JD game 5 of the OSL finals and say JD doesn't have that sense. PL wasn't that big back then so Bonjwas had less chances of getting cheesed. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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Trozz
Canada3456 Posts
For being called "easy race", no Protoss bonjwas. | ||
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kvilx
Poland198 Posts
On November 08 2009 06:50 SuperArc wrote: Watch fantasy vs JD game 5 of the OSL finals and say JD doesn't have that sense. PL wasn't that big back then so Bonjwas had less chances of getting cheesed. How is sliding a Vulture through Temples a cheese? I agree it was a great move to intercept Terran there, but Fantasy really had nothing prepared for this final except his sneaky Valkyrie/Mech style, which Jaedong solved after losing first two games. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On November 08 2009 01:17 QibingZero wrote: If Bo3s were so important, why did the poster claim Jaedong had never beaten Bisu in a 'multiple game match'? Jaedong beat him 2-0 during Arena MSL. Are you serious? JD didn't play a BO3 against Bisu in Arena. He beat him in twice in the group stages, with a loss to (I believe) Hwasin in between, then faced Bisu again in the 5th game after Bisu finished trouncing Frozean or somebody. Beating somebody twice as part of the winner vs winner, loser vs loser, final match format that the MSL uses is NOT a BoX. | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On November 08 2009 07:27 darktreb wrote: Are you serious? JD didn't play a BO3 against Bisu in Arena. He beat him in twice in the group stages, with a loss to (I believe) Hwasin in between, then faced Bisu again in the 5th game after Bisu finished trouncing Frozean or somebody. Beating somebody twice as part of the winner vs winner, loser vs loser, final match format that the MSL uses is NOT a BoX. My mistake, though I still fail to see how this is even remotely something worth arguing over. It's like back when people claimed Flash > Jaedong because 2 bo3s were supposedly more telling than a bo5. Somehow, I don't think Savior was considered bonjwa due to his record in bo3 matches, nor do I think most people really remember many of them in the first place. On the other hand, I can recall almost every part of the bo5s vs Midas, Iris, oov, and Nal_ra... | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On November 08 2009 09:21 QibingZero wrote: My mistake, though I still fail to see how this is even remotely something worth arguing over. It's like back when people claimed Flash > Jaedong because 2 bo3s were supposedly more telling than a bo5. Somehow, I don't think Savior was considered bonjwa due to his record in bo3 matches, nor do I think most people really remember many of them in the first place. On the other hand, I can recall almost every part of the bo5s vs Midas, Iris, oov, and Nal_ra... My point is just BO3's are gut checks too, and Savior was completely flawless in them as well for a year. When you look at just BO5's, everyone looks pretty even but throw in BO3's, where JD/Flash/Bisu have all had a few speedbumps, and it's remarkable that Savior never lost in those situations. | ||
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On November 08 2009 09:51 darktreb wrote: My point is just BO3's are gut checks too, and Savior was completely flawless in them as well for a year. When you look at just BO5's, everyone looks pretty even but throw in BO3's, where JD/Flash/Bisu have all had a few speedbumps, and it's remarkable that Savior never lost in those situations. Live Bo3s, | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 08 2009 11:21 nayumi wrote: It's amazing how once the word "bonjwa" is mentioned, it soon turns into a "bisu or jaedong for bonjwa" debate. Just amazing. yeah even in a Savior article hao  | ||
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natturner
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