[Korean Column] Savior, where Bonjwa Starts & Ends - Page 7

On November 11 2009 05:03 QibingZero wrote:
And come on, I can find quite a few instances of any player ever going 50% or less in a period of time as short as that. Short-term statistics like that mean nothing. But hey, overall, you might be getting at something: Jaedong is down to 75% lifetime ZvZ. What kind of bonjwa couldn't hold 80%? Furthermore, he only won one of the two starleagues with that ZvZ - a real bonjwa would have won both, no matter how overworked!

Sadly that sarcasm isn't far from the standards people hold Jaedong to. Of course we're never going to have another bonjwa if the bar is set higher than it was for previous ones.

On November 11 2009 05:30 Kyo Yuy wrote:


You say that sarcastically, but Savior had an 80% ZvP in 2006 and iloveoov had 27 consecutive wins in TvZ during his period of dominance.

Jaedong did not qualify for the OSL round of 16 in the EVER 2008 OSL. He lost to Casy, and then to Backho, kinda like how Bisu lost to Shine in the round of 36 of the EVER 2009 OSL. There's a reason why people don't call Bisu a bonjwa, and it's somewhat similar to why people don't call Jaedong a bonjwa.

It's not just a matter of accomplishments and skill. Savior was the first player that was really dubbed a bonjwa, even though he came on to the scene AFTER Nada's 3 OSL and 3 MSL titles. Nada is the most accomplished player of all time, yet Savior is the one most people associate the term bonjwa with. Why do you think that is?

That's not meant to be a rhetorical or sarcastic question. Why do we hear Ma Bonjwa, but never Lee Bonjwa (a term which could be used for Nada, Flash, AND Jaedong)? Why does someone with 3 MSLs and 1 OSL have such a greater reputation than someone who has the Golden Mouse, 3 MSL titles, AND was on top 30 Kespa for over 7 years?

Although I am not a big fan of the Savior fanboyism, even I have to admit it. Savior was THE bonjwa. He didn't popularize progaming, he didn't win 3 OSLs, his prominence on the scene began in late 2005 when players like Boxer and iloveoov have been around for so much longer.

But he is Ma Bonjwa. He popularized that term and caused fans to retroactively label Boxer, Nada, and iloveoov as such.

If you can reasonably tell me why the term bonjwa is more strongly associated with Savior than with the most accomplished player in Starcraft history, then you can tell me why Jaedong deserves to be called a bonjwa.

On November 11 2009 12:52 MageKirby wrote:
I'm curious though. Why is Flash never a real candidate in the bonjwa discussion? I only ever see jaedong and bisu. lol No terran love? xD