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koreasilver
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:01 koreasilver wrote: There should be a word filter for "bonjwa". Why? He explained it out and it makes sense, maybe you shouldn't just stop reading every time you see the word. | ||
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
On August 28 2009 16:15 Scorch wrote: We have no means of putting pressure on Kespa. Why would they listen to a horde of foreigners who have no idea about what's going on behind the scenes? This. But also its very sad to hear this. Its news to me...a sad one but still. | ||
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
On August 29 2009 01:43 NovaTheFeared wrote: Those complaining about the age of majority in Korea being too high must not understand how age is counted there. Age 20 in Korea is at most 1 year longer than 18 in the U.S.A. and can be as short as 1 day. It's the equivalent of 18.5  For all legal matters the "real" age is used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning And by the Korean system Jaedong would already be 20. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Keep in mind that TL.net is the bastion of Star Craft eSports outside Korea, if KeSPA or Blizzard ever want to bring the Pro. scene West or to any other part of the world they will know we want better treatment of players. I read some posts about not being a fanboy and looking at the business side of things from KeSPA's perspective. Please read my first post in entirety, it is not about Jaedong - he just happens to be the player caught in the situation. If you agree that what KeSPA is doing is fine and logical because might is right and they may as well try and choke out as much money as possible from progamers, well, fair enough. I try not to be a hypocrite - I'm not religious but I like to see other people treated how I would like to be. If Jaedong or any progamer is treated this poorly after years of quality performance and dedication, I feel like I must try and change this, in whatever way I can. To merely just watch these events transpire I can't help but feel like I'm allowing it to happen, or perhaps not helping it not to happen, and am a hypocrite for watching these teams and progamers devote themselves to the sport then only continue to be a spectator when they need their fans and public support the most. And please let me remind you, Shine, Midas, and Hyun are pretty much in the same boat as Jaedong. If you haven't, read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100601 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=100601 If enough people at at Team Liquid step up to the plate on this we can join with the many other sites that are appalled by these player restrictions. Letting other people voice your principles and opinion on this isn't good enough. Keep voting, get TL.net involved and we can join other Star Craft communities on this. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 28 2009 16:23 GTR wrote: Am I the only one here who thinks that Jaedong leaving Starcraft won't be as detrimental as everyone thinks it will? I agree. What's more, Jaedong NOT retiring sets a bad precedent for other players. If Jaedong is willing to take it in ass from Kespa and Hwaseung (pardon the language), what's stopping other teams from squeezing more out of their players? On August 28 2009 18:34 hifriend wrote: Wow, I seriously can't comprehend why some people argue that he'll have it better quitting progaming for uni. I mean the guy obviously LOVES what he's doing. He has a relatively huge wage which can't really be achieved without years of studies in addition to years of work experience. On top of this, he's young enough that it doesn't really matter what he does the next couple of years. There will always be time to move on to studies. His wage is not "relatively huge". 70M KRW is approximately equivalent to 50-55K USD, which, while respectable for someone his age, is not what you'd call "relatively huge" by any measure. It's not even significantly more than the average starting salary of a US college graduate. What's more, working up the motivation to pursue university studies goes down a lot once you pass the normal age range for it. 18-24, going to uni seems natural. By the time you're 28, that motivation becomes a lot less (partly because you'll often have more financial responsibility at that point), especially when considering doing so overseas. On August 28 2009 18:34 hifriend wrote: Also, as one of the most famous famous progamer as of today, there is bound to be work opportunities within the industry if he chose to follow that path. Why do people, hell, even parents, feel they have a right to question something that someone is committing to to that extent, which at the same time allows them to make a living? You have to be naive to think that professional Starcraft will go on long enough for Jaedong to secure his future. With Starcraft 2 on the horizon, there's not even a guarantee that the game has 5 years left. And will Jaedong really be happy coaching another game? Can you see Jaedong being happy working for a mediocre wage coaching players at Sudden Attack or something? On August 28 2009 18:34 hifriend wrote: Also jaedong and his parents failed misserably in any form of negotiation. Really, if they want to get a decent deal it would probably be a good idea to be in complete agreement beforehand so as to avoid that one part goes out saying one thing and the other something completely different. Now look what he's got. You have to respect that Jaedong's parents did as much as they could, and took the best reasonable course of action as a parent, looking out for Jaedong in the long term. Obviously it would be better if Jaedong could have an agent, but letting Hwaseung push him around is not an acceptable alternative. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On August 29 2009 03:27 TheYango wrote: I agree. What's more, Jaedong NOT retiring sets a bad precedent for other players. If Jaedong is willing to take it in ass from Kespa and Hwaseung (pardon the language), what's stopping other teams from squeezing more out of their players? The fans  | ||
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iSiN
United States1075 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Seriously, if the tantrum the fans through at the Gorush/PPP incident was enough to get them to double take, then their system forcing JAEDONG to retire will have them crying from the rage of fans. | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13910 Posts
On August 29 2009 03:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Seriously, if the tantrum the fans through at the Gorush/PPP incident was enough to get them to double take, then their system forcing JAEDONG to retire will have them crying from the rage of fans. yeah srsly. i mean no returning 3x OSL champ? breaker of the OSL curse, pretty much the best damn player around right now. | ||
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wok
United States504 Posts
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CoOl]1st[
United States243 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
In the end, it's just KeSPA's shitty rules that ruin things for Jaedong and the fans. Nobody wins. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
that being said... screw KeSPA's rules. They are freaking awful. | ||
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darkemperor
Turkey725 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
Lurkers come out! | ||
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
On August 28 2009 15:45 nttea wrote: i support his retirement actually. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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