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Writers like hot_bid, jwd, plexa, tadzio, riptide and others do amazing writeups of the games that were played and hype the games that are yet to come (this is a pretty bad description that doesn't come close to doing them justice). Anyway, I just found this on ygosu while I was surfing:
http://sc.ygosu.com/community/?bid=yeobgi&idx=230505&frombest=Y
Members like konadora and smix do an awesome job of translating articles from fomos.kr so that we can get a sense of what commentators and netizens are saying, as well as helping us get into the mindset of progamers by reading about their thoughts and feelings after the games they just won. I've always wondered if any Koreans go on teamliquid and translate what our awesome writers say and apparently they do!
Here are some screenshots from dyner's blog on naver.com.:
The translated article was [OSL]Trials and Testament by Plexa.
I looked up the original blog, but forgot to post the link. Thanks GTR for posting it:
http://blog.naver.com/NBlogMain.nhn?blogId=dyner&Redirect=Dlog&Qs=/dyner/100086483380
Right under where it says 질쉼까페(http://cafe.naver.com/dyner)
It says < 더 보기 > and if you click that, you can see that the person translated nearly the entire article.
The comments are like
"who wrote this? If it's just a random netizen...I cannot suppress my surprise, it's so well written"
"Wow he must really be a starcraft fan." (could be starcraft nerd, it's a bit stronger than just a fan)
"I'm so happy that there's a Korean e-sports fans out there."
"clap clap clap...bravo"
"there are also some at gosugamers.net"
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I want some translation from the comments!
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awaiting plexa's response
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I pmed him this link. I bet he would be thrilled.
A lot of the comments are just like expressing their wish that e-sports would develop in foreign countries so that there would be more tournaments so that their country's players would have more opportunities to play. They also say that it's nicely written.
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Didn't we have a thread a little while ago where mrhoon started translating korean netizen comments, and someone started translating our comments into korean, and it all went in a vicious loop for several articles?
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Awesome haha 
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This is super cool 
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It would be cool if a few bilingual writers on TL helped create a Korean version of TL, and people visiting from a Korean IP would get a splash page asking if they want English or Korean.
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Netizen translations gogo! =)
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United States889 Posts
I'm sure at least a few of those comments are jeering at us for how badly their team stomped ours...
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almost 90% of starcraft article on wfbrood.com were token/translated from Teamliquid
TL have too many of crazy writers <3
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On August 20 2009 05:03 Zzoram wrote:
It would be cool if a few bilingual writers on TL helped create a Korean version of TL, and people visiting from a Korean IP would get a splash page asking if they want English or Korean.
lol. that would take forever and koreans have a ton of sites that they can go to anyway.
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does anyone know if the "type-b absorbs the powers of those he defeats" is an idea that Plexa came up with, or is it something the koreans did? because if it's just something Plexa made up, then that means the koreans know about it, because Leta was seen in the audience of the type-b vs yarnc match with a sign that had a reference to it.
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LOL all the comments are like
"...wtf so good. Whoever wrote this must be a starcraft maniac."
Some guy replies "yeah definitely a maniac. I heard there are tons of sc maniacs on that site"
lolol
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Oh wow Ghostwriter bit off of my secret font sig
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Now someone should translate back to English and watch the hilarity ensue.
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Ok now somebody on that forum must write about this thread, and then we write about their thread writing about this thread etc etc.
edit: I did not see the post above me, I swear O_O
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Wow I was thinking about this the other day. Was to lazy to actually do research on this topic but I find this very fascinating and off the walls.
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Kentor
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i just love the fonts on korean sites
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Some fucking legit shit right there. Props to our contributors <3
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konadora
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""there are also some at gosugamers.net""
sigh...
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now the koreans need to make another post about this being posted here, and then we can make another post about them posting about us posting about them translating articles from here
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Oh wow :O
That's quite an honor ;;
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it's pretty cool. nice way to bridge our two worlds
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Wow, I am impressed these korean netizens realize we exist! About time dammit! Now they'll finally realize just how talented and superior our fanbase of Starcraft and Progamers are than those korean netizen's community! Yay, go TL! ^_^
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On August 20 2009 06:06 theobsessed1 wrote:
LOL all the comments are like
"...wtf so good. Whoever wrote this must be a starcraft maniac."
Some guy replies "yeah definitely a maniac. I heard there are tons of sc maniacs on that site"
lolol
Well, I'd say they have us pinned pretty well.
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im surprised it took some of them this long to realize how big a scope tl.net is
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You know, why doesn't TL forge some official (or semi-offcial) connections with Korean sites? There could be great synergy effect from this and seeing as how we have ~10 bilinguals and a devoted translations team it shouldn't be impossible.
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Well I'd imagine a Korean TL would either be way too much work or just a shell site that explains what TL is and link to a bunch of articles in English which they can't read.
Also are the TL writers really that nerdy compared to Koreans? I'd imagine there are just as crazy fan sites in Korean. I guess it's just weird because TL is made of foreigners.
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We tried some kind of connection site before I thought with pgr21.com or something.
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well I don't think there's any secret that the TL writing staff is one of the best around. and I'm not just talking about SC:BW sites, I'm talking about the net and ever newspapers.
good job plexa, but also gj to all the other writers. you guys rock!
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The writing staff deserves recognition, and you dont need to be a 'maniac' to be a passionate and skillful writer
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they might have the best gamers but not the best fans its time someone showed them
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Wow, that's fucking awesome..
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
They pretty much summed me up in saying that I'm an SC maniac... but hey, I'm a relatively normal person really!
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On August 20 2009 19:11 Plexa wrote:
They pretty much summed me up in saying that I'm an SC maniac... but hey, I'm a relatively normal person really!
Yeah right. They all say that. Get out of that closet!
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"there are also some at gosugamers.net"
I beg to differ?
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On August 20 2009 19:54 SilverSkyLark wrote:I beg to differ?
i think the netizen meant starcraft fans, not great writers.
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I think he meant starcraft maniacs, not starcraft fans
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The circle is now complete.
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On August 20 2009 10:26 konadora wrote:
""there are also some at gosugamers.net""
sigh...
My first thought as well :/
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On August 20 2009 19:11 Plexa wrote:
They pretty much summed me up in saying that I'm an SC maniac... but hey, I'm a relatively normal person really!
false!
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On August 20 2009 19:11 Plexa wrote:
They pretty much summed me up in saying that I'm an SC maniac... but hey, I'm a relatively normal person really!
No you are not, you are a TL writter, you are special  ...
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More proof for why TL.net is the best site ever XD
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TL is taking over the internet :D
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impressive !!!! really impressive !!!!
gj all of u (i love korean netizen comments xD they are hilarious)
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Congrats, a lot of the writers here do deserve to be read by a larger population. This is good to see.
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oh yeah just to say something, when they refer to us as "maniacs" they don't mean any hard feelings for us. Rather they are surprised there are so many devoted fans outside Korea
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On August 20 2009 19:11 Plexa wrote:
They pretty much summed me up in saying that I'm an SC maniac... but hey, I'm a relatively normal person really!
yeah rite...
grats btw, you seem to have gotten famous
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We will always be weary proud of all our contributors <3
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koreans calling others sc maniacs.
priceless
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Imagine they got a hold of one of our TLFE... XD
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lol post more of the netizens comments, i bet they think we're all noobies haha
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I think the real question is this: If this person can read English well enough to translate the article, do they post here? If not, why?
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Sweeet, be great to get some publicity with fomos with TL articles
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WHOOO!
You know you're legit when the 'reans start the shout out.
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This is absolutely hilarious.
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Seriously, I myself have encountered teamliquid only recently and am still amazed at the dedication, resourcefulness, and comprehensiveness (just to name few characteristics) of the website and staff. Just like Korean netizens, I was very surprised there are hardcore fans of starcraft and Korean progamers outside of Korea. In any event, im a total addict to teamliquid and forever will be.. Thank you TL! This is the best site ever!
BTW, when Koreans say Maniac, it is more of a compliment in case you didnt know.. keke
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wow you guys look up to korean people like crazy
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On August 23 2009 07:22 himurakenshin wrote:
wow you guys look up to korean people like crazy
Think about it for a moment.
This forum is dedicated to watching and reporting on the starcraft scene world wide. Currently there is only one pro scene and that just happens to be Korea.
The Korean pro scene is really... well it's professional. It's like the 2nd most watched sport there and it has at least two 24/7 channels dedicated to it.
This is something people around the world would like... the general populace acknowledging that even if it's a game it has entertainment value and requires a ton of skill to play well.
Getting recognition from the premiere e-sports country/citizens is something that you can be proud of you know.. it's a pretty big deal.
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PFFFT gg.net
good to see exposure :D
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On August 23 2009 07:39 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 07:22 himurakenshin wrote:
wow you guys look up to korean people like crazy Think about it for a moment. This forum is dedicated to watching and reporting on the starcraft scene world wide. Currently there is only one pro scene and that just happens to be Korea. The Korean pro scene is really... well it's professional. It's like the 2nd most watched sport there and it has at least two 24/7 channels dedicated to it. This is something people around the world would like... the general populace acknowledging that even if it's a game it has entertainment value and requires a ton of skill to play well. Getting recognition from the premiere e-sports country/citizens is something that you can be proud of you know.. it's a pretty big deal.
it also seems pretty pathetic at the same time, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone.
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wow is starcraft really the 2nd most watched sport in korea?
i knew it was popular but thats totally insane
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On August 23 2009 10:05 iamho wrote:
wow is starcraft really the 2nd most watched sport in korea?
i knew it was popular but thats totally insane
WTF? Not first??!?!
What's first?
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Soccer, that is. For the americans I mean, Football for the people who call things by logical names yes.
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The most watched sport in Korea is baseball, I'm pretty sure.
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On August 23 2009 10:13 Shikyo wrote:
Soccer, that is. For the americans I mean, Football for the people who call things by logical names yes.
Hey hey hey I didn't choose it.
I also think that the metric system is better, since we have to learn both for science anyway in America.
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On August 23 2009 08:28 himurakenshin wrote:
it also seems pretty pathetic at the same time, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone.
Things taken to extremes always gets abit pathetic.
Take Anime fans for example. By watching this style of animation you experience at the same time a quite different way of story telling to what we westerners are used to. This storytelling gets you exposed to different philosophy and imagery. Taking interest in this, you read up on history and folklore. By now you are soaking up everything about this new culture that is so strange and exiting it almost becomes poetic. You soon name your internet persona after your favorite anime character, perhaps even try to learn japanese. All this while ignoring boring things, like that Japan is like any country filled with corrupt politicians, mafia, war crimes, racism and extreme ignorance. Hell, you might even begin to wish you were born japanese, and BAM you're a pathetic weeboo.
But you know, some just want to watch some cool anime, and hearing that their favorite studios realize and acknowledge their existence makes them happy.
There is no surprise that people here starts talking about other things korean, appreciate cute korean girls or listen to their music. Their different culture is just infectious. Them taking pride of our respect is a cheesy but yet a nice feeling.
Hearing a crowd chant a gamers name and yell Fighting! while hiding from the camera, still brings a smile to my face and sometimes I think "damn, it would be cool if something like that could happen here in Sweden".
While it should have not been a surprise, after reading the OSL winner interview, I thought it was funny that they had thought and talked about the exact things we have here. So now when we know they are really not that different... why could it not happen?
hehe, now I feel that I am just rambling. Something about this topic made me finally register to show my support. Staff of TL, you are awesome!
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On August 23 2009 10:24 ghostWriter wrote:
Hey hey hey I didn't choose it.
Correct, you didn't. The British did. Then football split in two and which branch retains the name "football" depends on where you are.
On August 23 2009 10:13 Shikyo wrote:
Soccer, that is. For the americans I mean, Football for the people who call things by logical names yes.
I've ranted about this before (scroll down).
I'm basically tired of the etymologically ignorant blaming us for the whole football/soccer mixup or thinking they can get a free zing. See the the old rules of The Foot-Ball Club in Edinburgh which
forbade tripping, but allowed pushing and holding and the lifting of the ball.
Or check out this account from 1825 by William Hone who writes of FOOT-BALL.
This was, and remains, a game on Shrove Tuesday, in various parts of England.
Sir Frederick Morton Eden in the "Statistical account of Scotland," says that at the parish of Scone, county of Perth, every year on Shrove Tuesday the bachelors and married men drew themselves up at the cross of Scone, on opposite sides; a ball was then thrown up, and they played from two o'clock till sun-set. The game was this: he who at any time got the ball into his hands, run with it till overtaken by one of the opposite part; and then, if he could shake himself loose from those on the opposite side who seized him, he run on; if not, he threw the ball from him, unless it was wrested from him by the other party, but no person was allowed to kick it.
So please, if you must assign some blame for a confused English word, look to the English (and yeah, I know England and Scotland and Britain are not the same things, sorry my two examples were from Scotland)
On August 23 2009 11:27 Tjuba wrote:
You soon name your internet persona after (an) anime character, perhaps even try to learn japanese. All this while ignoring boring things, like that Japan is like any country filled with corrupt politicians, mafia, war crimes, racism and extreme ignorance. Hell, you might even begin to wish you were born japanese, and BAM you're a pathetic weeboo.
Fortunately I am only guilty of one of these things D: I'd change it, but inertia, you know?
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On August 23 2009 10:16 Kerotan wrote:
The most watched sport in Korea is baseball, I'm pretty sure.
Baseball is third.
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On August 23 2009 16:43 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 10:16 Kerotan wrote:
The most watched sport in Korea is baseball, I'm pretty sure. Baseball is third.
GTR how do you know everything about korea lol
Whenever I see you talking about Korea, I feel embarrassed to be called a Korean D:
And yes, GTR is right. IIRC it goes like this
Soccer
Basketball
Baseball
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Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap.
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On August 23 2009 16:58 GTR wrote:
Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap.
What's your source?
My bullshit reading internet/word of mouth info says baseball KILLS everything else.
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On August 23 2009 18:38 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 16:58 GTR wrote:
Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap. What's your source? My bullshit reading internet/word of mouth info says baseball KILLS everything else.
Haha, that's the problem, I saw it in a PDF KeSPA distributed some time ago (in English).
Which I can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit.
I think you might be wrong though, do you remember SKY 2004 R1 between SKT and Hanbit? Like 10x the people turned up to Gwanahli Beach for that than the Baseball All-Star game in the same city on the same day.
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On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 18:38 Waxangel wrote:On August 23 2009 16:58 GTR wrote:
Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap. What's your source? My bullshit reading internet/word of mouth info says baseball KILLS everything else. Haha, that's the problem, I saw it in a PDF KeSPA distributed some time ago (in English). Which I can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit.
I'm fairly sure this is untrue.
I think OGN finals have reached some pretty impressive statistics, but OGN/MBCGame aren't even guaranteed channels in a lot of cable television packages at this point. On average they NEVER break the top 10 in terms of most watched cable channels. And I'm just fairly sure Baseball is by far the #1 the more I think about my personal experiences and variety of info I've come by.
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people think that starcraft is way more popular in korea than it actually is. as many people have said, its something similar to professional wrestling here
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Comments of the koreans were just awesome.
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Western fans are always better. BW-Hooligans do rushes fo win!
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as far as i know, e-sports is the 2nd most watched sports in korea.
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This is too awesome. Congrats to plexa and the other writers - its a real honor to get your articles translated!
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Congrats on being knighted, Plexa! Awesome to see this happening.
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On August 23 2009 11:27 Tjuba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 08:28 himurakenshin wrote:
it also seems pretty pathetic at the same time, but that's just how I feel. I don't mean to offend anyone. Things taken to extremes always gets abit pathetic. Take Anime fans for example. By watching this style of animation you experience at the same time a quite different way of story telling to what we westerners are used to. This storytelling gets you exposed to different philosophy and imagery. Taking interest in this, you read up on history and folklore. By now you are soaking up everything about this new culture that is so strange and exiting it almost becomes poetic. You soon name your internet persona after your favorite anime character, perhaps even try to learn japanese. All this while ignoring boring things, like that Japan is like any country filled with corrupt politicians, mafia, war crimes, racism and extreme ignorance. Hell, you might even begin to wish you were born japanese, and BAM you're a pathetic weeboo. But you know, some just want to watch some cool anime, and hearing that their favorite studios realize and acknowledge their existence makes them happy. There is no surprise that people here starts talking about other things korean, appreciate cute korean girls or listen to their music. Their different culture is just infectious. Them taking pride of our respect is a cheesy but yet a nice feeling. Hearing a crowd chant a gamers name and yell Fighting! while hiding from the camera, still brings a smile to my face and sometimes I think "damn, it would be cool if something like that could happen here in Sweden". While it should have not been a surprise, after reading the OSL winner interview, I thought it was funny that they had thought and talked about the exact things we have here. So now when we know they are really not that different... why could it not happen? hehe, now I feel that I am just rambling. Something about this topic made me finally register to show my support. Staff of TL, you are awesome!
this is a really good first post
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TL ftw!
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From my ignorant English-teacher-with-a-TV perspective on Koreans sports:
Baseball has three major sports channels basically showing a game a day. I'm not sure what happens when there are four games (K-league has 8 teams) - maybe scheduling staggered?
Soccer/football is on at random times for the K-league and pretty much a soccer game from somewhere in the world every late night on every sports channel - mostly EPL, Spanish, and Champions, although I've even seem MLS highlights.
As far as highlights go, it's mostly soccer. It seems like baseball games in Korea get better attendance overall but soccer rules the TV. Also, far more Koreans talk about baseball - but maybe that's because they assume all foreigners are American and we don't play soccer (which I find irritating, but w/e).
After the big two I would say esports is probably third - basketball and golf are on a lot during the season, but SC runs year round. So my watching feels like the correct order here is baseball/soccer->esports (mostly SC)->basketball/golf->volleyball (the Army has a team, and they're actually decent)->tennis?->no idea.
Of course, I don't have any stats to back this up.
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On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:
Haha, that's the problem, I saw it in a PDF KeSPA distributed some time ago (in English).
Which I can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit.
On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:
can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit.
On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:
KeSPA site is a piece of shit.
On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:
KeSPA
I think that's all that needs to be said about that ranking.
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I always enjoy seeing when Koreans (players, commentators, fans) are made aware of how many foreign Pro SC fans there are.
I also think it is a positive step in making e-sports larger in the rest of the world. If more companies like GOM (and Averatec and Intel) can see the potential of bringing pro e-sports to the rest of the world, I believe we can see it slowly spread outside Korea.
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there are also some at gosugamers.net
best comment imho
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On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 18:38 Waxangel wrote:On August 23 2009 16:58 GTR wrote:
Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap. What's your source? My bullshit reading internet/word of mouth info says baseball KILLS everything else. Haha, that's the problem, I saw it in a PDF KeSPA distributed some time ago (in English). Which I can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit. I think you might be wrong though, do you remember SKY 2004 R1 between SKT and Hanbit? Like 10x the people turned up to Gwanahli Beach for that than the Baseball All-Star game in the same city on the same day.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81863
I saw the pdf as well
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On August 23 2009 18:43 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2009 18:41 GTR wrote:On August 23 2009 18:38 Waxangel wrote:On August 23 2009 16:58 GTR wrote:
Er, I was including e-Sports.
So it's
Soccer -> e-Sports -> Baseball -> Basketball -> Volleyball -> Baduk -> Other crap. What's your source? My bullshit reading internet/word of mouth info says baseball KILLS everything else. Haha, that's the problem, I saw it in a PDF KeSPA distributed some time ago (in English). Which I can't access because the KeSPA site is a piece of shit. I'm fairly sure this is untrue. I think OGN finals have reached some pretty impressive statistics, but OGN/MBCGame aren't even guaranteed channels in a lot of cable television packages at this point. On average they NEVER break the top 10 in terms of most watched cable channels. And I'm just fairly sure Baseball is by far the #1 the more I think about my personal experiences and variety of info I've come by.
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/FrozenArbiter/Park.pdf
Page 6
Soccer -> E-Sports -> Baseball -> MMA
Source: Consumer Survey Report by Dongseo Research, April 2008
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