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Boxer Should Quit Starcraft - Page 7

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jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
August 08 2008 22:59 GMT
#121
NEVER GIVE UP
NEVER SURRENDER

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Sadly, I've begun to think this about BoxeR. I really wanted him to finish with a bang. Perhaps winning So1, and then retiring. But he sort of dragged it on a bit and still excelled but wasn't at the top.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 08 2008 23:00 GMT
#122
if boxer could stay at an average progamer level, it's INCREDIBLY impressive considering todays fierce competition. I think all that "quit while u're on top" talk is just bull, you should hang in there as long as you can if u're a true master of starcraft.
FConnectionUK *
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States316 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-08 23:08:14
August 08 2008 23:05 GMT
#123
Every single team will want to have Boxer. Not because he's the iconic symbol of starcraft but because of his strategic mind. Keep in mind, not many team really puts much focus, if any at all, on individual leagues. If one of your player wins individual league, good for them. But they don't even practice the maps for individual leagues anymore. All their focus is on proleague.

Now Knowing this fact, Boxers worth SKYROCKETS soooo fucking high it pokes God in the fcking ass. Boxer fits into ANY and ALL team that wants to contend for a championship. You said he's value only worth as much as his cheese? Guess what? This value is what any team will Kill to have. He is THE set 4 man to have. The sniper. The cheeser. The finisher.

Just look at SKT1 when they had Boxer. True, Boxer never had 18324-2 stats on proleague. But that's not where value lies on. As long as proleageu exists. He is one of the worthiest player to have.

p.s I boycott on Plexa's FE from now on! lol jk ;P love your FE's (cept this one)

edit: Set 4 player can be the finisher, but also the one who brings the fight to Ace match bringing back the "force" to their team and when you think about how Boxer wins his game (Extremely gay for the other team)... the "force" is great...
SC:BW - NrG.fCuk // SC2 - NrGGuN
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
August 08 2008 23:24 GMT
#124
Boxer can totally keep up with progaming scene, I mean, after all he is...

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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 08 2008 23:30 GMT
#125
What about Nada? No one ever talks about nada anymore.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
August 08 2008 23:33 GMT
#126
boxer i love u , have my babies
Bergkamp ftw!
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
August 08 2008 23:36 GMT
#127
On August 09 2008 08:30 CharlieMurphy wrote:
What about Nada? No one ever talks about nada anymore.


Boxer in his last interview said he was jealous of the coaching staff Nada had on WeMade Fox
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 08 2008 23:40 GMT
#128

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
August 08 2008 23:52 GMT
#129
Nah Boxer owns too hard. I think he will surprise us all.
Nak Allstar.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
August 09 2008 00:09 GMT
#130
haha that video was great charlie..thanks!
nada wins a 3v1 in a pc bang hahah
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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 00:14:26
August 09 2008 00:12 GMT
#131
I can agree to some point, boxers tvp isnt that good nowadays and his tvz has seen better days compared to the other pro's. Only his TvT is top-notch as far as i can see, he can actually rape even the highest ranked terrans in a straight up game even up to this date, which amazes me.

look at him rape flash on python or mind at baekmagoji!
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 00:25:35
August 09 2008 00:24 GMT
#132
On August 09 2008 08:00 nttea wrote:
if boxer could stay at an average progamer level, it's INCREDIBLY impressive considering todays fierce competition. I think all that "quit while u're on top" talk is just bull, you should hang in there as long as you can if u're a true master of starcraft.

I think quitting while your ahead is a popular Asian business philosophy... I know that at least televisions shows in Japan do this. The idea is that you're trading short term business exploitation for long term franchise safety... So, if a show in Japan is very popular, and they stop it during the height of their popularity, they maintain a high image of premium quality. This allows them to sell the image, thru comic book versions, movie versions, t shirts, posters, etc. If you have a season after the height of your popularity, you risk destroying your image of premium quality with a bad season (even though it will ride a little while off the popularity of the previous season).

The same would go for Boxer. He can sell merchandise better as a legend, and fill in special TV shows 'play Boxer' or something much better than if he risks losing his image. But this is only if you don't think Boxer will come back as a premium player, and if you think his reputation is tarnishable (which as of late, he's looked pretty strong regardless of what Plexa thinks).

In essence... I don't think Boxer is hanging in there as long as he can. I think he'll make a strong presence in the scene, and when he finally feels like he can't keep it up anymore (circa the year 3000), that's when we'll see him retire and become a coach or something.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
August 09 2008 00:27 GMT
#133
On August 09 2008 08:05 FConnectionUK wrote:
Every single team will want to have Boxer. Not because he's the iconic symbol of starcraft but because of his strategic mind. Keep in mind, not many team really puts much focus, if any at all, on individual leagues...


Why do people think this?
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
August 09 2008 00:40 GMT
#134
even if he can't win a thing everyone will still be his fans so he really doesn't have much to lose imo
Xellos <3
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
August 09 2008 00:48 GMT
#135
Brood War need names to survive. Boxer is a name. A champion. In fact hes the only remaining champion from his prime along with GoRush and Reach. Ive watched tons of epic games with these guys hence I feel they belong in the big tournaments by default. You want to see these names because you can identify joyful moments with them.

There are some champions I wouldnt miss. Mind and forGG are those. Probably because they dont have the personal charisma nor anything special in their gameplay. Eventhough GGPlay can be considered the same way, you'll always know when someone says "Hey remember that epic comeback GGPlay did in the Daum final?". If someone asks about Mind or forGG you'll say that's the guys who fucked up the namebuilding. Of course Bisu and Jaedong are big names now. ButBisu would have been a huge name if he won his 3rd MSL back then, and Jaedong wouldve been on a good way to being a legend if he had taken his 2nd MSL title recently.

I dont want champions like Boxer to quit to make more room for more forGGs and Minds.

What I miss the most of todays champions is charisma though. July, Oov, Savior, Nada, Reach, rA, Anytime and Boxer had/has that special aura to them, and even the most recent champions like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash lacks that despite characteristic gameplay. This worries me somewhat, but it might have a smaller impact than I fear it could have.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 09 2008 01:00 GMT
#136
On August 09 2008 09:48 Guybrush wrote:
Brood War need names to survive. Boxer is a name. A champion. In fact hes the only remaining champion from his prime along with GoRush and Reach. Ive watched tons of epic games with these guys hence I feel they belong in the big tournaments by default. You want to see these names because you can identify joyful moments with them.

There are some champions I wouldnt miss. Mind and forGG are those. Probably because they dont have the personal charisma nor anything special in their gameplay. Eventhough GGPlay can be considered the same way, you'll always know when someone says "Hey remember that epic comeback GGPlay did in the Daum final?". If someone asks about Mind or forGG you'll say that's the guys who fucked up the namebuilding. Of course Bisu and Jaedong are big names now. ButBisu would have been a huge name if he won his 3rd MSL back then, and Jaedong wouldve been on a good way to being a legend if he had taken his 2nd MSL title recently.

I dont want champions like Boxer to quit to make more room for more forGGs and Minds.

What I miss the most of todays champions is charisma though. July, Oov, Savior, Nada, Reach, rA, Anytime and Boxer had/has that special aura to them, and even the most recent champions like Jaedong, Bisu, and Flash lacks that despite characteristic gameplay. This worries me somewhat, but it might have a smaller impact than I fear it could have.



umm I think flash lacks play fits into your last line

Bisu doesn't fit into it at all, I hate the faggot, but god damn is his play interesting/bold ... his play shows more of an artistic approach to the game then I've ever seen a toss (other then straight proxy builds which I don't find creative) have.

Jaedong plays the most varied zerg style ever?.... Nobody has as many different approaches and tricks in the middlegame as him. ZvT he has been lacking flair for awhile, but I think its the competition changing, and him struggling with modern terran play.
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
August 09 2008 01:05 GMT
#137
i'm not a starcraft pro, and i've only started following recently.

but i will say that even though today's games are very exciting, nothing makes me go "wow" like watching boxer's old videos used to. case in point: recently, there was a youtube vid highlighting hwasin's marine "micro" against 6 or 7 lurkers sunken. I watched it... it couldnt hold a candle to Boxer's repeated, consistent domination of the zerg with MnM.

In fact, the only recent micro "showcase" that has impressed me to the level of Boxer is Light's tank/dropship micro, in which he dodged 3 or 4 attacks from a photon cannon through dropping and picking up. besides that, nothing sticks to my mind.
manner
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
August 09 2008 01:06 GMT
#138
Um Boxer is still a good player. Give him a chance man, he's busy in KAF, when he comes home he will have all the time in the world to practice again. Still his TvT is one of the best and he does win other matchups as well, and as long as you win I don't see any reason to quit... makes no sense.

Btw you don't need to qualify/play good in individual leagues either, just look at Sea who is owning up proleague but lacking otherwise. I think Boxer is a really good player to have in proleague, I don't see how any team wouldn't want him.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
August 09 2008 01:41 GMT
#139
i loved that video charlie, thanks for posting it :D

boxer is such a unique player... even though he isn't considered top notch anymore he's still a lot more entertaining than a lot of the standard macro players these days. maybe if starcraft was just a bit bigger in korea they could start a mini-league based on strategic ingenuity and innovation rather than just pure skill (like figure skating instead of hockey...? erm, bad comparison...)

otherwise, being a coach that can still play some showmatches would be great. like, let's say in a team vs team match, the ace card ends up being the coach! lol?!
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
August 09 2008 01:42 GMT
#140
He wouldn't remain playing if he didn't enjoy it. No reason to encourage him to quit if he enjoys the game still.
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