EPTB+ Korean cheesefags smurfing the D ranks - Page 3
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:40 Hot_Bid wrote: why do people care if they play better players? can't you just play anti-cheese and try to win versus a better player? is it really that bad that you played a few players above your rank? i don't get it. Have you never been new to SC or something? For a complete noob it's extremely demotivational when you go out and get raped hardcore by superior players who goes proxy 9/9 gates 5 games in a row. And it's not so fucking easy to just play ''anti-cheese'' when your opponent is that much better. Notice how Stork went proxy gate/DT drops and shit in most games against foreigners in IEF; it's a good way to beat crap players easy and fast. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:42 infinity21 wrote: lol wtf at all the rage in this thread You don't have to be B ranks to demolish D/D+ players or to get to C- with a really nice record. For instance, last season, I had 3 accounts get to C- (18-6, 22-8, 21-4) really easily, completely outmacroing most of them by 20-ish supply TvP etc., but got obliterated against all the C- players I faced. I'm doing a lot better against C- players this season (korean or not) so maybe it was a psychological thing. To get 26-4 the first week you must be good. Like most of the wannabe "top foreigners" had losing records or were too scared to get raped silly by kors. lol | ||
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WheelOfTime
Canada331 Posts
When I play during Korean LATE night/early morning hours, all the Koreans are sleeping and I rape foreigner C kids ezpz. (10-1 C ranks ezpz) But when I get on during Korean afternoon/early night hours, I get raped right around D+. (1-10 D ranks wtfwtfwtf) WTFUK | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
And you can estimate what level they are by looking through iccup site previous season data (Most of time they range from C+ to B+ most cheesers I face. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:46 Jadyks wrote: I gain nothing by anti-cheesing every game. My goal is macro and strategy and map control, not, "Can I hold off all of this cheese every single game" if you want to play standard vs standard, then play against friends or join a clan and agree to it beforehand. don't bitch after you get cheesed on iccup Knowing how to react to various types of cheese is crucial if you want to improve as a player. And unlike your standard play, it takes a very short time to learn. Last week, I lost 3 games in a row to in-base proxy gates (TvP) to a teammate practicing for his CSL game. I didn't go "oh wtf PvT imba fml I'm going to quit sc". Instead, I went to a friend and asked him for help practicing against it. After 3-4 games, I learned how many scvs I need to bring to kill the gateway (2 if you scout with your 10th scv as your depot just finishes then add 4 more once gateway finishes and he doesn't cancel. if he builds a 2nd one, bring 1 more scv and kill the 2nd with 7 scvs 1 marine. constantly build scvs and marines while this is happening). Surprise surprise, later that week, I'm playing on iccup and some poor C- Protoss tries to do this against me. I defend it pretty well (lost 2 marines because I got cocky and brought only 5 scvs instead of 6 total allowing 1 zealot to finish by literally 0.2 seconds) and took it to late game, where I outplayed him. Becoming better at SC is not just about standard play. It's about filling the holes in your game that leaves you vulnerable to who you would consider "inferior" players. If you leave holes, then don't complain when people exploit it. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:09 Boblion wrote: To get 26-4 the first week you must be good. Like most of the wannabe "top foreigners" had losing records or were too scared to get raped silly by kors. lol I never said I got that in the first week. I was replying to the OP who is assuming ppl are B just because they raped him. I probably got those stats something like 1/2-3/4 through the season | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. Kwark, it seems to me as though you are ignoring one thing; this is about superior players cheesing bad players, not the other way around. On November 11 2009 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're not playing to get better then don't ladder, if you are playing to get better don't get mad when you get raped by better players. For people who want to work on their "midgame", make sure you type "20min nr kk?" so your opponent knows. The point of a ladder is to have people of equal skill level playing against each other, right? That is not the case when high level players go down and bash on D players. I personally don't get mad when I just get cheesed, it's a part of the game. But when people WAY above my skill level joins my ''D Desti''-games and rape me with cheese, that's fucking frustrating. | ||
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FortuneSyn
1826 Posts
On November 11 2009 02:24 Chill wrote: I don't know what to say other than I really don't like you. jesus christ stop being such a douche. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:25 Holgerius wrote: Kwark, it seems to me as though you are ignoring one thing; this is about superior players cheesing bad players, not the other way around. Why do D level players get so pissed when better players cheese them? Do you not realize that by trying to finish the game off faster, the superior player is in fact giving you a better chance to win? The friend that taught me how to practice against in-base proxy gate on desti was B high yet he couldn't do anything once I responded correctly. That would give me a big advantage going into mid-game which will improve my chances of winning (it doesn't mean I auto-win because of our skill difference). If he plays perfectly standard, I will probably lose at least 95 out of 100 times. | ||
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Re-Play-
Dominican Republic825 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:00 KwarK wrote: btw that's why i love White-Ra, the guy doesn't smurf, doesn't dodge and doesn't reset when he has a 45% win ratio. He keeps playing at his real rank. i think he is the only foreigner that doesnt smurf all others have a lot of account but can someone explain to me what is the perpuse of having like 4-5 account??? Sometimes you get bored and want to make a 30-0 account. People bitching about koreans doing it is unfair too, foreigners smurf just as much imo. But yeah, Ahzz hits the nail on the head. Good players get cheesed just as much, if not more, but they don't lose to it. There's a difference between playing anti-cheese and just playing a solid build order without unnecessary risks. Of course the first time you lose to them mining out the back on HBR and running lings through that's not your fault. The second time when you'd rather save 40 minerals mining time than check just in case is 100% your fault. u are right but what about Zerg players that play SuperCheese?? Zerg opens 9pool speedling and he is good denying ur scout what are u suposed to do? a lot of cannon?? skip stargate and just play Safe? and u realize that he just played Macro after ling speed? u will be behind and when u move out he has a lurker containg :S what to do vs Cheese Zerg? | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
On November 11 2009 03:17 zulu_nation8 wrote: if you're not playing to get better then don't ladder, if you are playing to get better don't get mad when you get raped by better players. For people who want to work on their "midgame", make sure you type "20min nr kk?" so your opponent knows. lol | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
I don't get where this attitude that everyone is cheesing comes from. | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'ma go out on a limb and guess that you are bad. Then I'ma guess that "cheese" means anything aside from 2 gate -> expand 5 hatch hydra/muta or 1 fact FE (for you). That being said: Go die. Yep I made presumptions. Yep they are probably a bit exaggerated. But we ALL play ICCUP. We ALL KNOW that the D ranks are NOT swarmed with B+ Korean smurfs cheesing (rofl). And frankly, for you to determine that SC outside of the pro scene is horrible is so incredibly defeatist/cowardly/terribad.. I dunno what to say to you at this point. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
Edit: having so many higher ranked players play at D and D+ levels makes the learning curve steeper and the initial experience much less enjoyable for new or casual players. Yes, these are "bad" players - as inc notes above - but they need an entry spot into SC as well. It may well be that iccup is not that place, even at the D levels. Then again, Bnet is not it either: it is infested with people hacking in "fastest possible ever" games. Perhaps nony is right and SC2 will solve this issue... who knows. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I personally never faced anywhere near as much cheese and smurfing as you all claim there to be, though. And pretty much all the times I 5 pool, I still get a "gg" or even a "nice rush". Also, I don't see how you "don't learn anything" from being cheesed. It's a great way to practice scouting, timings, game sense, micro and macro without having to skip through 10 minutes of early game. You'll naturally be limited to a select few unit types instead of having to use all the relevant units in midgame. Limiting your practice to a few aspects yields much better results than trying to learn everything at once. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 11 2009 01:56 Sadistx wrote: Well, this will be fixed in starcraft 2  Until then we're stuck with them I guess.what makes you think everyone here wants to ladder seriously in sc2 and just drop bw? | ||
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Jadyks
United States119 Posts
No, sarcasm, you're completely wrong. I've just been cheesed (IE Proxy or 9/9 zealot all-in or DTs with a gate proxy'd in the corner of my base with the pylon on low ground or some other form of bullshit where my opponent clearly has no grasp of standard starcraft other than OKAY LOL I'LL HIT K AND WIN SURE THING) 6 times in a row. 6 times in a row. And this isn't unusual. I'm lucky to get one or two standard games a night, ever. | ||
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