• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:35
CET 12:35
KST 20:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket2Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA9
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2230 users

ICCup report 4.4

Blogs > Dromar
Post a Reply
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
July 16 2009 14:06 GMT
#1
Alright, so shortly after my last report, I got into D+ with little trouble, and pushed upward to 2600 where I am now pretty quickly due to my recent ZvP windfall. Then I took a break for a week or so, which brings me to now.

My computer broke. When I try to startup, instead of the blue screen where you log in, I get a little window that says "system error: lsass.exe file name not found" or something like that. ...sigh. The real loss is my music, and to a lesser extent my porn. I have a backup of the music, but it's a few months old.

Public Service Announcement:
BACK UP YOUR SHIT NOW.

I'm writing this on my laptop, which has Starcraft, but it's unplayable on a laptop once you've played it on a real computer. So I was gonna play some more games before writing this, as I like to have ~30 games per report, so there's some stuff to reflect on, but not so much stuff that I don't learn from the games I played. However, since I don't know when my computer's gonna be fixed, I figured I'd get this out of the way before I forget about the most recent games, seeing as how I can't watch the replays.


1v1 analysis:

Zerg(24 games)
( 7)ZvZ: 3- 4 42.8%
( 7)ZvP: 5- 2 71.4%
(10)ZvT: 3- 7 30.0%

11-13 45.8%

This Season:
Zerg(114 games)
(29)ZvZ: 9-27 25.0%
(37)ZvP: 13-31 29.5%
(24)ZvT: 18-16 52.9%

40-74 35.0%

ZvZ: Did much better ZvZ this time around, due to me getting "back to basics" as I mentioned was my problem before. The only games I lost were against players who seemed WAY better than me. Like kimguhyun, 340 APM Zerg made me feel like I was playing against a progamer. I'm kinda sad to lose those replays actually.


ZvP: Ok, so I took some advice from earlier and tried out some 9pool speed openings, and it seems like ridiculous. I won 2 games just running my lings to his base and taking out his cannons before they finished. I wonder how many times I could have won the game like that in the past. See, it was only recently with this 9pool speed opening where I would make sure to send my lings immediately to my opponent's base, ignoring his probe scout. Now I see how big of a fundamental mistake that was. Guess that's a good example of how it's easy to miss something big. I also had a chance to play against a 2gate and a 1gate tech build when I opened 9pool speed, which were a couple concerns I had, and those went pretty well. Every time I play against 1gate tech I'm amazed at how bad it is, or rather how poorly D/D+ protosses play it.
Anyway, the 9pool speed is all nice and cool, but since I have no plans of doing any 2hatch muta or hydra breaks or ling all-ins, I'm probably gonna go back to 9pool. But at least I've got that additional experience. And it also helps confidence-wise to win a few games against protoss for once instead of the usual 9 minutes of macro into getting steamrolled by zeals and psi storms.


ZvT: Shitty record compared to usual for ZvT this time. I blame my inability to play well on Colosseum, combined with the fact that everybody loves that map for some reason. It doesn't suit my style very well, and I don't like how easily non-zergs can get a 3rd going.


Questions:

1. Do you know how to fix my computer?
2. Is Jaedong gonna take a break or is he gonna burn out?
3. Why can't Flash make it in individual leagues?

As always, comments and constructive criticism welcome.

***
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
July 16 2009 14:16 GMT
#2
I fear Jaedong will eventually burn out

And I'm very frustrated with Flash, it seems to me like he has all the skill and intelligence he'd need, but he just can't get his shit together

dunno about #1
iceburn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States303 Posts
July 16 2009 14:18 GMT
#3
This may be a little difficult to do, as I don't know how proficient you are with computers. But you can POSSIBLY recover your stuff. Now with your laptop you want to obtain "hirens boot cd" any version about 9.7 will work. Now once you get it, burn that .iso image to a cd. You can do this by using imgburn ( this is freeware just google it). Now after this is done. Turn on your computer and look for an option to access your boot menu, usually del. f10. f2 , f12. Click those keys to access the boot order. now select cd are the first boot disk just be sure that harddrive isn't first. now input the burnt hirens cd into your cd/dvd drive and click save and exit. now you will restart and hopefully if everything was done right youll boot from the cd. once you boot from the cd, you will have several options.

you want to choose, mini xp or mico xp. its been a while so i can't remember exactly.

let it run, it will boot into xp, once that if fully loaded, youll have a windows like screen. once you have that, pull all your shit out to your back up drive. i recommend pull little chucks at a time and don't do too many parrell pulls.


good luck. hope you get your replays back
Revabug
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom147 Posts
July 16 2009 14:22 GMT
#4
Maybe google the error for a fix? I had a friend who had to use another PC and burn like 5 DVDs to fix it, but all his stuff was saved.

Or if you have another PC in your place you could try putting the HDD in there and copying your stuff, hoping it's not corrupted. I guess in theory that would work..
ebacho
Profile Joined July 2009
United States193 Posts
July 16 2009 14:37 GMT
#5
On July 16 2009 23:22 Revabug wrote:
Maybe google the error for a fix? I had a friend who had to use another PC and burn like 5 DVDs to fix it, but all his stuff was saved.

Or if you have another PC in your place you could try putting the HDD in there and copying your stuff, hoping it's not corrupted. I guess in theory that would work..


If theres a system file on the hard drive that can't be found, what makes you think that putting the same hard drive in a different PC would help?
Proud member of TL's osufam
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17017 Posts
July 16 2009 14:39 GMT
#6
On July 16 2009 23:06 Dromar wrote:
ZvP: Ok, so I took some advice from earlier and tried out some 9pool speed openings, and it seems like ridiculous. I won 2 games just running my lings to his base and taking out his cannons before they finished. I wonder how many times I could have won the game like that in the past. See, it was only recently with this 9pool speed opening where I would make sure to send my lings immediately to my opponent's base, ignoring his probe scout. Now I see how big of a fundamental mistake that was. Guess that's a good example of how it's easy to miss something big. I also had a chance to play against a 2gate and a 1gate tech build when I opened 9pool speed, which were a couple concerns I had, and those went pretty well. Every time I play against 1gate tech I'm amazed at how bad it is, or rather how poorly D/D+ protosses play it.
Anyway, the 9pool speed is all nice and cool, but since I have no plans of doing any 2hatch muta or hydra breaks or ling all-ins, I'm probably gonna go back to 9pool. But at least I've got that additional experience. And it also helps confidence-wise to win a few games against protoss for once instead of the usual 9 minutes of macro into getting steamrolled by zeals and psi storms.


Don't get used to this at all :/

Once you make it past D+ (actually I'm surprised the D+ tosses you're playing aren't better), any toss who scouts a morphing gas/pool with pool at a fast timing (check pool HP, drone count and when ovie pops), will immediately cannon up and pull probes once he sees your lings hatch.

Also, two gate builds pretty much counter a 9 pool speed opening - you're going to be so behind economically, and if he puts any pressure on you, you don't have the extra larvae from the other hat to help you defend.

Why don't you play the 12 hat build? Just curious.
Moderator
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 16 2009 14:41 GMT
#7
Jaedongs going to win both and never burn out.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
iceburn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States303 Posts
July 16 2009 14:42 GMT
#8
ebacho, if you put the harddrive into an external drive windows will detect it as a removable drive and you can pull stuff off of it.

if the laptop failed thats usually the easiest way to recover things, just pop off the cover take out the harddrive plug it into a desktop via usb or esata. as most laptops made in the last 4 years use sata connections.

but in this case, i think his desktop died, and its much more difficult to recover and a laptop doesn't have extra connections.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
July 16 2009 14:44 GMT
#9
I play on laptop, it takes some getting used to but it's kind of nice because I can play anywhere as long as I bring my mouse. Hitting f-keys is a bitch though and when I started, I hit the capslock instead of the shift a lot. You like playng against 1gate? Odd, I hate it immensely, my timing always goes to hell and I hate defending ovies with hydras
1) Nope sorry
2) I sincerely hope not but it's seems inevitable at the rate he's going
3) I blame KT coach's, he has all the practice partners he could ever need right in the team house and he's got the talent, he's got to be being fed some terrible advice
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 14:54:24
July 16 2009 14:46 GMT
#10
On July 16 2009 23:39 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 23:06 Dromar wrote:
ZvP: Ok, so I took some advice from earlier and tried out some 9pool speed openings, and it seems like ridiculous. I won 2 games just running my lings to his base and taking out his cannons before they finished. I wonder how many times I could have won the game like that in the past. See, it was only recently with this 9pool speed opening where I would make sure to send my lings immediately to my opponent's base, ignoring his probe scout. Now I see how big of a fundamental mistake that was. Guess that's a good example of how it's easy to miss something big. I also had a chance to play against a 2gate and a 1gate tech build when I opened 9pool speed, which were a couple concerns I had, and those went pretty well. Every time I play against 1gate tech I'm amazed at how bad it is, or rather how poorly D/D+ protosses play it.
Anyway, the 9pool speed is all nice and cool, but since I have no plans of doing any 2hatch muta or hydra breaks or ling all-ins, I'm probably gonna go back to 9pool. But at least I've got that additional experience. And it also helps confidence-wise to win a few games against protoss for once instead of the usual 9 minutes of macro into getting steamrolled by zeals and psi storms.


Don't get used to this at all :/

Once you make it past D+ (actually I'm surprised the D+ tosses you're playing aren't better), any toss who scouts a morphing gas/pool with pool at a fast timing (check pool HP, drone count and when ovie pops), will immediately cannon up and pull probes once he sees your lings hatch.

Also, two gate builds pretty much counter a 9 pool speed opening - you're going to be so behind economically, and if he puts any pressure on you, you don't have the extra larvae from the other hat to help you defend.

Why don't you play the 12 hat build? Just curious.


Yeah it just seemed odd that they couldn't handle a standard 9pool ling timing like that. Just luck I guess.

I only ran into 2gate and 1gate tech once each, but both times I cancelled ling speed when I scouted it to get a faster hatch@nat, then either researched it later or used the 100 gas to tech to lair depending on what the toss did.

I don't 12hatch very often because it seems like forcing cannons first and denying scout earlier is a good trade. I'm not unwilling to 12hatch though.

edit: and what's with 1 star? I guess I must have pissed somebody off.
zyxjk
Profile Joined March 2009
United States75 Posts
July 16 2009 16:08 GMT
#11
for your computer, you might try loading up some live-cd linux to recover your files. Try knoppix.
the world was their playground, until the fateful day when they were hit by a bus on the way to subway
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
July 16 2009 16:29 GMT
#12
On July 16 2009 23:44 n.DieJokes wrote:
I play on laptop, it takes some getting used to but it's kind of nice because I can play anywhere as long as I bring my mouse. Hitting f-keys is a bitch though and when I started, I hit the capslock instead of the shift a lot. You like playng against 1gate? Odd, I hate it immensely, my timing always goes to hell and I hate defending ovies with hydras


It's not that 1gate is a terrible build, it's just that I rarely ever see it done properly. It doesn't seem like 1 gas protoss could compete with 2 gas zerg, especially if zerg gets mutas. So it becomes a problem of how to expo quickly, but the only way to have enough map control to expo as toss seems to be if you go sair-dt, but that takes so long to tech to that you don't have much time to prepare for mutas. At that point, you may as well have just gone FE instead. The other option is some type of timing attack, and that could work I guess, if the zerg fails to scout it, but c'mon, we have overlords and lings, 2 of the best scouting units in the game.
I dunno. I'm sure it's doable, It just hasn't been done yet against me.
Neivler
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Norway911 Posts
July 16 2009 19:21 GMT
#13
Dont go 9 pool w\o speed. Do 9 pool speed instead. Much better!!!

Cuz flash has lost his über skilz. He is good but just not that good anymore.
I pwn noobs
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
July 16 2009 21:08 GMT
#14
On July 17 2009 04:21 Neivler wrote:
Dont go 9 pool w\o speed. Do 9 pool speed instead. Much better!!!

No, it depends on how you want to play the game. Going 9pool without speed into double expand is a very normal build.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 16 2009 22:41 GMT
#15
If u have another drive you can reinstall windows on that drive and turn ur old drive into the slave/secondary and retrieve files.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Revabug
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom147 Posts
July 17 2009 10:06 GMT
#16
On July 16 2009 23:37 ebacho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 23:22 Revabug wrote:
Maybe google the error for a fix? I had a friend who had to use another PC and burn like 5 DVDs to fix it, but all his stuff was saved.

Or if you have another PC in your place you could try putting the HDD in there and copying your stuff, hoping it's not corrupted. I guess in theory that would work..


If theres a system file on the hard drive that can't be found, what makes you think that putting the same hard drive in a different PC would help?


...because windows won't be booting from that hard drive?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 72
CranKy Ducklings36
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 142
Trikslyr23
trigger 19
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7128
Rain 2122
GuemChi 1948
Bisu 1718
Horang2 1713
Hyuk 717
Pusan 467
Stork 413
BeSt 287
Last 170
[ Show more ]
Leta 153
Zeus 132
ZerO 104
EffOrt 101
Killer 87
Light 85
Rush 74
Soulkey 73
ToSsGirL 63
hero 55
Aegong 42
Barracks 38
Free 36
Sharp 28
Soma 26
Backho 25
Icarus 24
Mind 23
JulyZerg 23
Liquid`Ret 21
Terrorterran 15
Shinee 14
Movie 14
scan(afreeca) 13
Hm[arnc] 9
yabsab 7
ivOry 5
zelot 5
Britney 0
Dota 2
singsing1259
XcaliburYe116
League of Legends
JimRising 558
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1782
zeus590
shoxiejesuss557
x6flipin420
allub150
Other Games
summit1g13743
B2W.Neo770
Fuzer 261
ZerO(Twitch)6
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8952
Other Games
gamesdonequick519
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 64
lovetv 11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH181
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1073
• lizZardDota229
League of Legends
• Rush1403
• HappyZerGling123
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
11h 25m
RSL Revival
19h 55m
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
OSC
1d 1h
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
IPSL
3 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
IPSL
4 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.