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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 09 2009 07:28 GMT
#1
So I have PDX LAN (500 person 4 day LAN party) in 9 days and I'm hosting a small Starcraft tournament and its nothing big but I need some advice.

What I'm looking for is the most basic, safe, run of the mill build for each matchup.

I play Protoss so I'm looking for the absolute safest builds in PvZ, PvP, PvT. I honestly havent been playing on Iccup lately so I'm not sure what is considered THE 'cookie cutter' build orders in those matchups.

TL... please help me in my time of need!

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Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 09 2009 07:37 GMT
#2
PvZ: 2 gate
PvP: 2 gate
PvT: 2 gate

+ Show Spoiler +

PvZ: Forge -> FE
PvP: Gate -> Zeal -> Core
PvT: Gate -> Core -> Expo -> Robo

I'm really not sure if you're talking about the really early game builds (as above) because I'm sure you know what to do about that already. And if you're talking about after that, I'm sure you understand that it really depends on what your opponent is doing. Anyway, this is what I do, but it really depends on what I scout so adapt accordingly.

PvP I'd say Gate -> Zeal -> Core is safer than Gate -> Core -> Goon because I get rushed so often and I hate early game harassment ;___;

Just do whatever you feel you can do strongly
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
July 09 2009 07:45 GMT
#3
You forgot
PvR 2 gate : )
Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
July 09 2009 07:51 GMT
#4
Liquipedia is your friend.
"Wow you could literally transport Lomo's face to a girl and the result would be pretty deceptive."
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 09 2009 07:52 GMT
#5
pvz bisu build

pvt one base tech

pvp 4 gate goon ^ ^
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
July 09 2009 07:52 GMT
#6
On July 09 2009 16:45 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote:
You forgot
PvR 2 gate : )

Remember to proxy your gates!

In all seriousness, what kind of skill level are we talking about here? Against noobs it's better to just scout and adapt accordingly, but I'm sure you'll be drawing some people who know what they're doing.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
July 09 2009 07:58 GMT
#7
PvZ: Cheese it up(Do what ever)
PvT: Cheese it up(DT)
PvP: Cheese it up(2 Gate Proxy)
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
July 09 2009 09:03 GMT
#8
On July 09 2009 16:51 Fr33t wrote:
Liquipedia is your friend.

Freedom is a stranger
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 09 2009 09:26 GMT
#9
attack move when you have units.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 12:48:37
July 09 2009 09:38 GMT
#10
On July 09 2009 18:26 CharlieMurphy wrote:
attack move when you have units.


4 probe rush insta-win?
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Probe.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States877 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-09 09:45:29
July 09 2009 09:43 GMT
#11
On July 09 2009 16:37 BanZu wrote:
PvZ: 2 gate
PvP: 2 gate
PvT: 2 gate

+ Show Spoiler +

PvZ: Forge -> FE
PvP: Gate -> Zeal -> Core
PvT: Gate -> Core -> Expo -> Robo

I'm really not sure if you're talking about the really early game builds (as above) because I'm sure you know what to do about that already. And if you're talking about after that, I'm sure you understand that it really depends on what your opponent is doing. Anyway, this is what I do, but it really depends on what I scout so adapt accordingly.

PvP I'd say Gate -> Zeal -> Core is safer than Gate -> Core -> Goon because I get rushed so often and I hate early game harassment ;___;

Just do whatever you feel you can do strongly


I disagree. I think Gate -> core -> robo -> expo is safer for PvT

PvZ safest is forge -> nexus -> cannon (2 if lings) -> gateway -> gas -> core -> 2nd gas -> stargate citadel

PvP gate -> zeal -> core -> zeal
meow
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
July 09 2009 12:19 GMT
#12
PvT 12nex

takes a solid player to kill it.
CrimsonLotus
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Colombia1123 Posts
July 09 2009 12:29 GMT
#13
On July 09 2009 21:19 niteReloaded wrote:
PvT 12nex

takes a solid non computer player to kill it.


Now it makes more sense.
444 444 444 444
Ronald_McD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada807 Posts
July 09 2009 12:30 GMT
#14
I'm surprised nobody has asked this yet, or that it wasn't put in the OP

What are the maps you're playing on?
FUCKING GAY LAGS
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 09 2009 16:37 GMT
#15
On July 09 2009 21:30 Ronald_McD wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has asked this yet, or that it wasn't put in the OP

What are the maps you're playing on?


Destination, Tau Cross, and Andromeda.

Unless someone other than me runs the tournament then it will be stupid stuff like the original LT -_-

And yes, I know Liquipedia is baller, just wanted more than one opinion on what the easiest/safest builds are.

The people I'm playing are pretty nubbish, I'm D level and beat all of them except 1 last year pretty easily.
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
July 09 2009 17:36 GMT
#16
On July 09 2009 21:29 CrimsonLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2009 21:19 niteReloaded wrote:
PvT 12nex

takes a solid non computer player to kill it.


Now it makes more sense.

your bw knowledge is lacking.
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