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... as much.
One big problem with my ZvT is my shitty 3hatch at the start. I always have too little minerals or gas, not enough supply, forgot spire, incredibad muta harass, or I die to a sunken break when I play standard 3 hatch. I just took the past hour to clock times for the 3 hatch muta build that differ in the amount of zerglings I make, etc. I am extremely satisfied with that because I just fucking roflwtfbqq raped a Terran my first ZvT on iCCup today. I'm at 2992 points now and I have never been so happy playing ZvT in my life. Fuck this feels so good I want to watch that replay over and over again. Such gosu harass(for most D+s at least) and followup lurker haha 
Like in my last blog as well, this was my first time ever playing on this map(Gaia) so that made me even more happy.
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EDIT: Can't prove it without the replay!
EDIT2: My ZvT is now 42%... woot?
 
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just wait til you start playing higher level terrans, they never let you breathe. congrats though
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United States889 Posts
Uggh I'm jealous. I got hit by that silly fast tank build 3 times today. Even with cross spots on andromeda the mutas weren't out in time.
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ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though.
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i quit playing sc back in like 2000 basically because on gamei, playing ZvT vs korean terrans was retarded. It was the age of the "vessel cloud" and savior wasnt around yet so all I had for "inspiration" was Yellow and Chojja, and while they are great, they had obvious weakness vs terran.. So much that I eventually gave up and quit for afew years -_-
When I came back, switch to protoss cause I dont wanna play vs terran. Its sad, cause I love zvz and zvp, but i hate zvt with a passion. grr
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On July 07 2009 13:26 lokiM wrote:
just wait til you start playing higher level terrans, they never let you breathe. congrats though
On July 07 2009 13:29 lazz wrote:
ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though.
I know T_T
That's why I'm starting to practice now. I wouldn't say I've been dodging Terrans on iCCup, because if I join and he's Terran I'll still play, but if the game name is like "1:1 D+/C- Me T you Z" I'll avoid it because ZvT against bio is my worst MU and I've just barely made C- before so I'm sure I would get pwned. My ZvT against mech is pretty solid though actually. It's rather boring because most Terrans tend to turtle while I just macro and expand but I usually win it at least.
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On July 07 2009 13:30 Skyze wrote:
i quit playing sc back in like 2000 basically because on gamei, playing ZvT vs korean terrans was retarded. It was the age of the "vessel cloud" and savior wasnt around yet so all I had for "inspiration" was Yellow and Chojja, and while they are great, they had obvious weakness vs terran.. So much that I eventually gave up and quit for afew years -_-
When I came back, switch to protoss cause I dont wanna play vs terran. Its sad, cause I love zvz and zvp, but i hate zvt with a passion. grr
dude, thats why you play a second race for the matchup you hate most.
like myself, I LOVE PvZ and PvP but HATE PvT... though I dont play a second race for that I just dont play it.
Actually.. I havent played hardly at all lately...
hrm...
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On July 07 2009 13:30 Skyze wrote:
i quit playing sc back in like 2000 basically because on gamei, playing ZvT vs korean terrans was retarded. It was the age of the "vessel cloud" and savior wasnt around yet so all I had for "inspiration" was Yellow and Chojja, and while they are great, they had obvious weakness vs terran.. So much that I eventually gave up and quit for afew years -_-
When I came back, switch to protoss cause I dont wanna play vs terran. Its sad, cause I love zvz and zvp, but i hate zvt with a passion. grr
Same -_-
If that game were titled "1:1 D+/C- Me Z" then I'd join for sure, because not only is ZvZ fun, but it's also my best MU
TBH I think I play ZvZ around a C/C+'ish level even though I'm D+/C-'ish
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United States889 Posts
On July 07 2009 13:29 lazz wrote:
ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though.
It's wayyyyy more than 52-53%. A conservative analysis approximates 62% iirc, but it's definitely more than 52-53%. Thank god the matchup is fun or else I would positively hate it like I do ZvZ.
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Ahaha I've made a Z offracing account on iccup and at D levels I am
100% ZvZ
~50% ZvP
0% ZvT
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On July 07 2009 13:37 Arrian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 13:29 lazz wrote:
ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though. It's wayyyyy more than 52-53%. A conservative analysis approximates 62% iirc, but it's definitely more than 52-53%. Thank god the matchup is fun or else I would positively hate it like I do ZvZ.
It's right around 54%
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82758
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Man I wish this kind of awesomeness would happen to me. Congratulations though!
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Hmmm I'm a noob Zerg too and while my best win % is ZvZ I don't really have illusions about it being my "best matchup."
ZvZ is just, lets face it, more random and that's really nice when you are a noob and can get some BO wins. I think the same thing that makes people like LZ and ret offrace instead of playing ZvZ makes it so attractive to noobs like me.
I think my ZvZ is D+/C-... it's just D+/C- ZvZ is a lot closer to C/C+ ZvZ than the other MUs.
Edit: Oh yeah and:
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On July 07 2009 13:42 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 13:37 Arrian wrote:On July 07 2009 13:29 lazz wrote:
ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though. It's wayyyyy more than 52-53%. A conservative analysis approximates 62% iirc, but it's definitely more than 52-53%. Thank god the matchup is fun or else I would positively hate it like I do ZvZ. It's right around 54% http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82758
Forgive me. I was speaking of post-fantasy TvZ. I did the numbers on that myself and it was closer to ~62%.
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Oh and nice game
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On July 07 2009 13:45 Arrian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2009 13:42 Mindcrime wrote:On July 07 2009 13:37 Arrian wrote:On July 07 2009 13:29 lazz wrote:
ZvT at high levels is argueably the hardest matchup. So much shit that the zerg has to worry about. I believe it's also slightly imbalanced at pro level, something like 52-53% win rate for the terran, would have to look it up though. It's wayyyyy more than 52-53%. A conservative analysis approximates 62% iirc, but it's definitely more than 52-53%. Thank god the matchup is fun or else I would positively hate it like I do ZvZ. It's right around 54% http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82758 Forgive me. I was speaking of post-fantasy TvZ. I did the numbers on that myself and it was closer to ~62%.
Forgiven~
lol. Imba matchup! Better be fixed in SC2!
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I hate modern zvt so much.
So rage-inducing.
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ZvT is fun and OK, I would have been playing Terran if TvP was more fun. I just love TvZ!
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I lose like half of my ZvTs to early sunk breaks...T_T.
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3 hatch muta tends to be much easier for me to deal with than 2 hatch. I always overreact at my main and then forget to turret by my rax T_T
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my defiler play sucks... so i have better luck with lurks or muta/lings allins... after that is sure loss...
anyway i have fun trying to micro my mutas... or just seeing lings explode facing MnM
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