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R.Kelly Trapped in the Closet - Page 2
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iNcontroL
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"I am a HUGE NBA fan.. currently the Seattle Super Sonics are my favorite team!" | ||
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zulu_nation8
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kefkalives
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Pink Floyd are a huge passion of mine, and there was a period in my life where i would listen to atleast 3 of their records a day. I am familiar with bob dylan, and the rolling stones. I also know of Tommy Emmanuel. He is good, however i think he can't compare with Kottke. Defiance, Ohio are an American Indie Folk Punk band, who have one of the most breathtakingly refreshing sounds I have ever heard. | ||
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kefkalives
Australia1272 Posts
Funny how this thread has turned from you flaunting your ego musically into one of (almost) forced humility. Try being humble for a change -__- | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
During the first couple minutes, I was about to turn it off and stop listening, but by about 10 mins in, it was much better. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On June 03 2009 15:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote: how the hell can you claim to know anything about music and not know NIN / neil young? I said 'know well'. I know enough about them to know they are good songwriters. But, saying that you need to know NIN intimately in order to know 'anything about music' is like saying you need to have intimate anatomical knowledge of flatworms if you want to be a doctor. To compile a list of songwriters who are more important than Trent Reznor would take several days. That's not to say he's bad, just that he's a tiny blip on the Radar of music composition when compared to artists such as: Lennon/ McCartney, Bernstein, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Beethoven, Lizst, Debussy, Dylan, Wilson, Rogers/ Hammerstein, Gershwin, Brahms, Bartok, Janacek, NWA, Metallica, The Ramones, The Cardiacs, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, Robert Johnson, Miles Davis, John Coltrane etcetc the list goes on for years and years I could probably name you 500 artists before I got to Neil Young or NIN. But again, that doesn't in ANY WAY invalidate Neil Young or Reznor as songwriters. They aren't that important in music's history and they aren't in any way near my favourite artists, but I can recognize their quality as songwriters. One of the most important things about being a musician is learning how good everything is, and how everything has quality. You can tell a good musician apart from a charlatan simply because the good one has an open mind. I mean I personally think your music taste is beyond shit Inc, but I'm sure most of the bands you like have good songwriters, and I wouldn't take that away from any of the whiny, angry, retarded hardcore bands you like. You have to remember that all of the music you see is a tiny percentage of all the stuff out there. It all needs quality to make it out there, quality of some sort or another. One of the most impressive talents R Kelly displays in Trapped in the Closet is his effortless ability to fit the words of any one of his lines into the scansion of the song without having to subscribe to any straight set of rhythmic rules; and do it in such a way that it's not jarring. I mean, even if you dislike the song, have a listen to it, can you at least be impressed by that? And, can you really fail to spot the growing dynamics of each chapter as he winds up towards another revelation? That is good songwriting. And like I said, the fact that he only uses two chords is not only impressive, it's damn original. Trapped in the Closet is pretty bewilderingly original. | ||
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HamerD
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On June 03 2009 16:00 kefkalives wrote: Funny how this thread has turned from you flaunting your ego musically into one of (almost) forced humility. Try being humble for a change -__- You've got to be kidding me. First of all sarcy means sarcastic. Second, how was I ever flaunting my ego?! And do you understand the concept of diplomacy? As stupid as it may seem to you, I am the sort of person who is NICE to people who show even a GLIMMER of niceness BACK at me. Is that so foreign? Because of the fact that you actually took your time to post a list of your favourite artists, I responded by being NICE and taking an interest back. I haven't assumed a position of humility, I would like to treat you as an equal but I can tell you now that if you don't have any capacity for open-mindedness in music, and you dismiss any aesthetically displeasing work as crap and the person who likes it as crap, it's hard not to have contempt for you. I mean, you want to talk about amazing songwriting coupled with (at least for people who first hear it) aesthetic displeasure? See how much you like this man, one of the greatest 20th century composers: Played by two of the greatest musicians to ever have lived. (and to do a bit of name dropping, I have a friend who was best friends with the pianist and my auntie was the housekeeper of the violinist :D) (As a little aside the violinist Yehudi Menuhin thought Schoenberg, the composer, was most displeasing, but still appreciated the quality of his writing. Just like you might think R Kelly's song displeasing, it still has its merits, you should accept that) | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
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On June 03 2009 15:28 HamerD wrote: PS. kefkalives you're just ignorant and young. That's not to say I'm not also young and ignorant, but in music I would probably say I'm less ignorant than you. You might write a little music on the side, but you don't know shit about the technicalities of creating tension if you think R Kelly's Trapped in the Closet is badly written. Gime an example of a band you like... you are worthless | ||
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HamerD
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Cali
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Klive5ive
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Vivi57
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=94601 | ||
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Kentor
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selboN
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+ Show Spoiler + Southpark | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On June 03 2009 17:01 Cali wrote: That expression doesn't work when someone calls you adjective... LOLed A better comeback in this case would be "I know you are but what am I". Try that one next time. If it doesn't work go for the "I'm rubber you're glue" angle. This shit ends arguments. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On June 03 2009 16:55 HamerD wrote: Takes one to know one i can see that you are worthless because you lack the qualities that create worth i recognize these qualities because i have them you are worthless & also dumb | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
All I can say is that you just aren't trying hard enough to appreciate the songwriting of R Kelly's Trapped in the Closet. It's not bad, you just aren't trying hard enough to like it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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SpiritoftheTunA
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(but you are so you get a 1) | ||
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