Team of the Week (W5) - Page 4

On May 18 2009 08:58 disciple wrote:
Meh, obviously JD has bigger achievements than Bisu, I wont even start arguing about that. With that being said a title is a title,no matter how it was won, and saying that KTY won 3/4 because of his PvP is wrong. Not to mention that statistically he was in big disadvantage against Stork in the GOM MSL S2, in the post match interview he said that even the coaches thought he had no chance to win the final... In the recent OSL, Jaedong literally ZvZed his way to the final with some ZvP exceptions on ToTM, so really, its pointless to compare one title run with another.

I dont know about the community but I will never think of JD as the best zerg ever. I felt offended in some way actually, when his fanbase started to build up. Most of his fans have not really followed his progress ever since he become a progamer and just joined the bandwagon when it became obvious that he is actually very good (that point of time was his royal road in the OSL). The hole process and this "OMG JD!" thing actually stole the spotlight from the real king of all zerg, the one and only maestro. I believe that many zerg fans were just disappointed with savior's slump and quickly recognized Jaedong as their new hope. And that makes me sad. For me JD is just another step in the evolution of the zerg players, he is just a bit better in every component of the game than the previous great champions of the swarm. But even so in my eyes he lacks the personality of the Maestro and especially of our beloved Tushin. All in all I respect deeply JD as a player and I dont think someone could take away from him all his great achievements. But savior and july are much more iconic for me...

With all this being said, I think the majority of the OZ supporters are just Jaedong fans which will eventually follow him if he gets traded. Which is sad as well

On May 18 2009 09:36 disciple wrote:

I dont think so, SKT had the largest fanbase even before Bisu joined the squad, you cant really compare the heritage of both teams, but you are right, many fans followed bisu to t1, but even without him SKT will remain the most famous pro team in the scene

On May 20 2009 12:48 Avidkeystamper wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that a large majority of SKT T1 fans are new to the game just like Oz fans and like SKT T1 just because of their ace player, like ExSoldier.
Also, you give a negative portrayal of fans of Jaedong like started following Statcraft when he was good and became a fan that way. Why? Shouldn't people naturally follow the best player at the time? Most savior fans are a fan of him because he was really good at Starcraft, it doesn't take away from their loyalty or make the older fans "better" in some way.

On May 20 2009 12:41 boxxyownz wrote:


you just sound like a savior fanboy whos mad because someone dared to say jaedongs better. what alot of ppl dont get is starcraft has become alot more competitive over years, because the game evolved. im not saying savior is bad but i dont think anyone can dominate like jaedong is dominating right now. bisu has been doing good too but hes won all of his recent titles in beating jangbi, in pvp, bisu's best mu. and also jaedong didnt zvz his way all the way to the osl finals, he had to play stork,kal,light,by.hero, ggplay didnt even count because he qualified already. then the finalist fantasy who played amazingly and pulled a win somehow, you cant just say "so really, its pointless to compare one title run with another." because it makes no sense.

i dont get what you mean by jaedong isnt like the maestro, watch all jaedong games, hes always at highest level of respect for everyone, if anyone deserves to be crowned best zerg jaedong definitely qualifies for it. hes humble and plays by all the rules all the time.

should read the facts before you say something like that, and i think zvz is the biggest skill matchup interms of micro/macro, because if you make 1 mistake you lose, 1 zergling makes a difference. its not like that intense in pvp, tvt.

On May 18 2009 05:16 Atrioc wrote:
is not a contest, especially when you consider JD has had much harder finals opponents (Flash, Fantasy, etc.) and rarely even got to use his best matchup (ZvZ) in an individual league, while Bisu's best MU, PvP, accounts for 3 out of 4 of his golds.

On May 22 2009 10:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Yeah, I'd say Jaedong had the easier finals compared to Bisu for their first two medals, but Bisu had the easier finals for their last two medals each.
Erm, the way you say how everyone thinks Fantasy got lucky at that time doesn't take anything away from how good Fantasy actually was at that time, which was insanely good.

On May 21 2009 12:47 MaZza[KIS] wrote:


Wow kid... you're amazing... your assumptioning powers are unparalleled.

The figures that you pull out... they're so OBVIOUSLY correct it's... AMAZING

Just for the record. I'm an SKT T1 fan and I've been playing sc/bw since 1998. I also didn't chose my team based on anything you stated above. I still think OZ sucks and I can't stand to see them succesful. That's how deep-rooted I am in tradition. Also, I would hate MBC if it wasn't for Leg.. MBC were POS right? Jeez, I've lost track...

On May 22 2009 12:49 darktreb wrote:


Yeah I agree he was insanely good. I even predicted Fantasy to win at the time (and said so repeatedly which came back to bite me later). I'm a big fan of Fantasy's brilliant playstyle, but even so, you must admit that even right now Fantasy is not exactly the indisputed king of TvZ. I remember he's had at least one game after OSL finals (don't remember against who, it was on God's Garden) where he just looked very mediocre TvZ. His builds in a BoX are just beautiful though.

On May 21 2009 12:55 Avidkeystamper wrote:
"I'm an SKT T1 fan and I've been playing sc/bw since 1998. I also didn't chose my team based on anything you stated above"

You can't deny a mass influx of SKT icons compared to last season to this season. I wasn't talking to you specifically. Also, you're assuming the old guard of SKT T1 fans outnumber the new wave of SKT T1 fans, which is also an unbased assumption, no? I just went by the number of different users with SKT icons.

" I still think OZ sucks and I can't stand to see them succesful. "

Irrelevant, I was talking about why being a fan of someone when they started to be successful doesn't make you less a fan. I'm sure most everyone became a fan of someone because they showed really good gameplay.

"That's how deep-rooted I am in tradition. "
So...?

On July 21 2009 08:42 ForSC2 wrote:
In 2006 Jaedong's vs Protoss was:
1. Jaedong 15-4 78.9%

Jaedong was known for his ZvP being his weakest matchup till he fought Stork in the finals. Aside from being ZvZ bonjwa he soon became known for his ZvT and his ability to kill established players. (Legend Killer)

TLPD lists his ZvP record from 4-30-2006 to 12-31-2006 as
5 wins - 4 losses (55.56%)

Where did you get 15-4? Is it an accidental 1 in front of the 5? It's hard to believe his ZvP was that good when he was known early on for having mediocre ZvP despite phenomenal ZvZ and ZvT.

Also, great article. I'm just Anal.