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On May 04 2009 10:59 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Psychiatrists prescribe drugs, they don't psychologically analyze, that's a psychologist.
If what you're saying is right, Dr. A can't give advice, because it isn't his/her job.
uh, no. psychiatrist is just a psychologist who can prescribe meds.
there may be other small differences too, such as understanding of physiology but that's basically what it is.
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The school is so fucked up.
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On May 04 2009 09:45 G0dly wrote:
Dr. A then filed a report, saying that my sister was a wristcutter and wanted to kill herself, which is completely untrue. Dr. A then charged us $400 for the one hour of therapy, which is completely ridiculous, especially since my parents didn't even know about her.
this has actually happened to one of my friends before and she was in no way a "wristcutter" :/ the rapists piss me off >_>
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On May 04 2009 11:02 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 10:59 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Psychiatrists prescribe drugs, they don't psychologically analyze, that's a psychologist.
If what you're saying is right, Dr. A can't give advice, because it isn't his/her job. uh, no. psychiatrist is just a psychologist who can prescribe meds. there may be other small differences too, such as understanding of physiology but that's basically what it is.
There's a world of difference, at least, where I'm from.
A psychiatrist has access and ability to utilize the mental health act when deemed necessary.
Their training is completely different to a psychologists, and they deal with the entire spectrum of mental illness, whereas psychologists generally tend to deal with personality disorders. Yes they can deal with personality disorders and psychology related issues as well - it is after all, part of their training.
Clearly the psychiatrist here has identified a safety issue that he/she feels is apparent and has acted on it. Part of every interview is an assessment of safety, which can be inferred either explicitly or implicitly. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt (being her brother) - that she is low risk. However if she's said something to the psychiatrist - then they can't really ignore it, though this has to of course, be taken in context.
Good luck!
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Can't really help but good luck with the scamming crazy-lady dude.
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On May 04 2009 10:51 AlwaysGG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 10:21 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
lol a ten year old thinking about suicide... I can't even imagine that.
maybe you could get in contact with your local media to pressure those official jerks. i am agree with redbluegreen you should get media on this
a word of caution for you... getting the media in on this does not necessarily mean you might get a sympathetic spin of your story from them! this might be possible, especially since your parents are immigrants - prejudice exists. you might end up hurting your case instead...
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On May 04 2009 13:42 FirstProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 11:02 travis wrote:On May 04 2009 10:59 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Psychiatrists prescribe drugs, they don't psychologically analyze, that's a psychologist.
If what you're saying is right, Dr. A can't give advice, because it isn't his/her job. uh, no. psychiatrist is just a psychologist who can prescribe meds. there may be other small differences too, such as understanding of physiology but that's basically what it is. There's a world of difference, at least, where I'm from. A psychiatrist has access and ability to utilize the mental health act when deemed necessary. Their training is completely different to a psychologists, and they deal with the entire spectrum of mental illness, whereas psychologists generally tend to deal with personality disorders. Yes they can deal with personality disorders and psychology related issues as well - it is after all, part of their training.
well that thing doesnt exist in the USA as far as I know
and yes their training is different. obviously.
basically what I said originally was spot on
hmm, on 2nd thought I come back to this and maybe while what I am saying is correct, the way I am presenting it is a bit unfair. psychiatrists are medical doctors and psychologists are not, I don't want to underrepresent the difference.
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afaik, from the Abnormal Psychology course i've just taken, the key difference between a Psychiatrist and a Psychologist is that that a psychiatrist can prescribe medicine, and a psychologist can't. The finer details differ from professional to professional; everyone has different training backgrounds.
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On May 04 2009 14:20 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 13:42 FirstProbe wrote:On May 04 2009 11:02 travis wrote:On May 04 2009 10:59 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Psychiatrists prescribe drugs, they don't psychologically analyze, that's a psychologist.
If what you're saying is right, Dr. A can't give advice, because it isn't his/her job. uh, no. psychiatrist is just a psychologist who can prescribe meds. there may be other small differences too, such as understanding of physiology but that's basically what it is. There's a world of difference, at least, where I'm from. A psychiatrist has access and ability to utilize the mental health act when deemed necessary. Their training is completely different to a psychologists, and they deal with the entire spectrum of mental illness, whereas psychologists generally tend to deal with personality disorders. Yes they can deal with personality disorders and psychology related issues as well - it is after all, part of their training. well that thing doesnt exist in the USA as far as I know and yes their training is different. obviously. basically what I said originally was spot on hmm, on 2nd thought I come back to this and maybe while what I am saying is correct, the way I am presenting it is a bit unfair. psychiatrists are medical doctors and psychologists are not, I don't want to underrepresent the difference.
I didn't mean that you were wrong, only that there's a much different role assumed by the psychiatrists, as opposed to psychologists.
I can't be sure, but I'd be very surprised if you didn't have some variation of the Mental Health Act in the United States. Imagine if someone were acutely mentally unwell and required further assessment of treatment of their condition - how would this be facilitated by other means than law? If a person is non compus mentis (not in the right state of mind to make informed calculated and appropriate decisions), and this is due to a mental illness, then the law has to act as a paternalistic surrogate. That decision has to be made by a trained professional - in this case a psychiatrist - who, I'm sure, will have to work within the regulations of a defined statute to facilitate this.
Also, psychiatrists diagnose and treat mental illness. Psychologists conversely tend to work with mental illness (and in doing, treat/teach ways of managing the illness) but seldom participate in diagnosis and formulation of a complete management plan. While I appreciate that a psychologist may appreciate a variety of mental health conditions, they aren't clinicians and their focus reflects this. As somebody else said, this can vary from professional to professional.
I guess I'm just trying to say that there's more than a small difference between psychologists and psychiatrists - though this difference is sometimes under-appreciated.
edit: I don't mean to suggest that psychologists aren't clinicians (its just the term I use for medically trained professionals).
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yeah sorry I did get a bit defensive, not sure why
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I'd say the best way is to just let it all die down, after things have been set in motion, but with the threat of having her being taken away, if that threat comes to fruition in any way. I third the motion of media attention if it gets to the point where they are actually going to take her away. I really don't understand why they would threaten to take away the child from her parents when the parents didn't do anything. The child is just acting like a kid. It just amazes, shocks, and disturbs me that these people stick their nose in like this, make threats, and so blindly listen to so called authorities. I'd start looking into lawyers to. This must be impinging on some rights here. Isn't one of the amendments to be secure. GAH!!!
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You need to get a lawyer. That's all I have to say.
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On May 04 2009 09:53 HumbleZealot wrote:
Never trust psychiatrists; they're either psychology majors who couldn't get their PhD or would-be doctors that can't stand blood (hence they become psychiatrists instead of doctors).
As for a solution (not that I'd know), get a lawyer or something?
Do you even know the kind of certification you need to become a psychiatrist? You're an idiot.
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although this seems to be a rather one sided representation of what is going on...
srsly the Dr.A person is giving those who work in that field a bad name.
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On May 04 2009 09:59 nataziel wrote:
TRUST NO ONE!
Except the all-powerful TL brain.
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On May 04 2009 19:27 Mortality wrote:
You need to get a lawyer. That's all I have to say.
Not everyone can afford it, you know
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On May 05 2009 00:30 minus_human wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2009 19:27 Mortality wrote:
You need to get a lawyer. That's all I have to say. Not everyone can afford it, you know
Yes but he sounds pretty well off.
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On May 05 2009 00:33 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2009 00:30 minus_human wrote:On May 04 2009 19:27 Mortality wrote:
You need to get a lawyer. That's all I have to say. Not everyone can afford it, you know Yes but he sounds pretty well off.
Guess you missed the part where he was saying how his family was hurtin over the 400 bones?
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Im really sorry you have to go through this. I wouldn't know what to say. Basically you should prove that your sister doesn't harm herself, I mean its obvious she doesn't have slashes or punctures on her arm right?, She is just really somewhat proud of her competitiveness. Takes it seriously. She will probably not beat herself up about it when she gets older.
I don't know what you could do if the government is involved. I guess the psychologist or whatever is really effed up. Your sister might need some form of medication though. Get an actual diagnosis from someone with credentials.
I mean I never had to deal with your sister, but I have dealt with people that haven't taken their medication, and its impossible to deal with them. So all I can say is get the government and school off yours and her tail.
She probably just needs a different counselor or just needs some time to grow.
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