EPTAlthough I think you get worse players looking to bash when you like 1v1 Z only!!!
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
Although I think you get worse players looking to bash when you like 1v1 Z only!!! | ||
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KarlSberg~
731 Posts
On April 16 2009 23:59 Frits wrote: Maybe equinox implied that he does not see the fun in staying a crappy player forever because if you don't get better you're just gonna lose more and more and not have a lot of fun at all? Could that possibly be it??!?!?!!?!?! hurrrrrrrrrrr How would you lose more and more a matchup that you don't play? | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On April 17 2009 00:28 Reason wrote: LOL Of course you don't mind getting an advantage. The point is it's not fair. Plus from my own experience and I'm sure a lot of other people have this too people lie about race after they random to get even MORE of an advantage. If you can play all three races pick the race you play, whether your pattern be p,z,t,p,z,t,p,z,t or pp,zz,tt or something more random, whatever it doesn't matter, pick it yourself. Don't leave the other player in the dark/at a disadvantage. Picking random is the cowards tactic, looking for an easier win than you deserve. It's not an unfair advantage like maphack, it's not abusing game mechanics, I don't see the problem with random. Same with cheese builds, so what if they beat you with 4pool, who are you to judge who "deserves" to win. | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
man up and play | ||
micronesia
United States24804 Posts
On April 16 2009 23:59 Frits wrote: Oh lordy us teamliquid people have no idea of the concept of fun! You think we're all forced to post here as part of some sentence handed down by the authorities? That if we don't reach our starcraft gaming quota each weak we're going into the isolation chamber? Maybe equinox implied that he does not see the fun in staying a crappy player forever because if you don't get better you're just gonna lose more and more and not have a lot of fun at all? Could that possibly be it??!?!?!!?!?! hurrrrrrrrrrr I think EsX_Raptor was only saying that many people don't find mirror matchups fun, and specifically was not saying that nobody finds mirrors matches fun, regardless of the reasons ooa | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On April 17 2009 00:39 KarlSberg~ wrote: How would you lose more and more a matchup that you don't play? If you have the mentality of only playing 2 match ups you're just going to get worse and worse because you'll just keep going for easier targets until you get too frustrated. On April 17 2009 00:47 Chill wrote: Joining (you zerg) games is a disaster. So I never join games with race in the title. I love joining those kind of games because they're usually some standard cheesing tactic from last weeks vods which always fail if a mediocre player does it. | ||
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Diomedes
464 Posts
"So what do you play vs T?" "Nothing. I don't play vs T. Pick Z please." Also people with "D 1v1 Python Zerg" and then the 'zerg' in the title means that you have to be zerg... | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
On April 17 2009 00:45 Nytefish wrote: It's not an unfair advantage like maphack, it's not abusing game mechanics, I don't see the problem with random. Same with cheese builds, so what if they beat you with 4pool, who are you to judge who "deserves" to win. Yes it is an unfair advantage like maphack, why ? Because the other player does not have this advantage... An advantage based on anything other than skill of the game, before the game even starts, is unfair. Who am I to judge who "deserves" to win? Your tone is laughable. I'll tell you who deserves to win. Whoever joins the game on a level footing with their opponent, and ends up ahead, deserves to be the winner. Doesn't matter if you 14cc or 4 pool, what build or cheese you play, this is all irrelevant. It is part of the game. This is SCBW. Picking random in the game lobby and gaining an advantage over your opponent before the game has even begun (that is not based on skill) is NOT SCBW. Whoever wins, deserves to win. That is the point I was making, not that I am some almighty being who has judgemental powers over who deserves to win and who doesn't, and you were stupid to ask "who am I to judge" as if by having this entirely rational and equality-minded opinion I think higher of myself than others. The point, and I'll say it again; Whoever joins the game on a level footing with their opponent, and ends up ahead, deserves to be the winner. This involves you not hacking, not having obs whispering you in the ear where he is and what he is doing, and it also involves you both knowing/not knowing what race each other are. How can you possibly think it's fair if he has no idea what race you are when you know what race he is? His BO is going to be affected as a result yet you are fully informed and can play the correct BO, or even worse play a BO that will exploit his poor BO. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On April 17 2009 01:49 Reason wrote: Yes it is an unfair advantage like maphack, why ? Because the other player does not have this advantage... An advantage based on anything other than skill of the game, before the game even starts, is unfair. Who am I to judge who "deserves" to win? Your tone is laughable. I'll tell you who deserves to win. Whoever joins the game on a level footing with their opponent, and ends up ahead, deserves to be the winner. Doesn't matter if you 14cc or 4 pool, what build or cheese you play, this is all irrelevant. It is part of the game. This is SCBW. Picking random in the game lobby and gaining an advantage over your opponent before the game has even begun (that is not based on skill) is NOT SCBW. Whoever wins, deserves to win. That is the point I was making, not that I am some almighty being who has judgemental powers over who deserves to win and who doesn't, and you were stupid to ask "who am I to judge" as if by having this entirely rational and equality-minded opinion I think higher of myself than others. The point, and I'll say it again; Whoever joins the game on a level footing with their opponent, and ends up ahead, deserves to be the winner. This involves you not hacking, not having obs whispering you in the ear where he is and what he is doing, and it also involves you both knowing/not knowing what race each other are. How can you possibly think it's fair if he has no idea what race you are? His BO is going to be affected as a result yet you are fully informed and can play the correct BO, or even worse play a BO that will exploit his poor BO. Randoms in the game deal with it dude. If they want to be random let them. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Observer over turret is "in the game" Stacked SCV attacking nexus is "in the game" I'm not going to continue listing. These things are banned for a very good reason, they are unfair/imba. As is picking random when your opponent picks his race. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
edit: just got rid of something irrelevant. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On April 17 2009 00:47 Chill wrote: Joining (you zerg) games is a disaster. So I never join games with race in the title. Agreed. Joining "TvZ you zerg" games on destination is like asking to get gayed in everyway possible. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Also "may give you an advantage" ?..........it's not "may", it's "does". You cannot refute that. It's a fact. A player does not have the advantage because you have more intelligence on him than he does on you, he is quite undeniably at a disadvantage. There's a difference between an "advantage" and being a better player. You are talking about being a worse player because you are not as proficient with each race individually as you could be if you played just one, all the time. That is irrelevant. That is based on player skill which differentiates massively anyway. Just because one player is better than another, the game is not unfair. The player was outclassed by a superior opponent. Picking random and gaining advantage that way is not outplaying, outclassing or being superior. It is gaining an UNFAIR advantage that is NOTHING to do with how well you can play. These are two seperate things. | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3408 Posts
On April 17 2009 00:47 Chill wrote: Joining (you zerg) games is a disaster. So I never join games with race in the title. I agree with this. Usually when I join a game that says you Protoss, then I ended up getting cheesed. I remember joining a game on Destination @ C- rank and it was 'u Protoss' and I play and he ends up doing a 2 gate proxy in my base. Regardless, He ends up losing but when I checked his match-list its all 5 min games against Protoss on Destination. I really don't seem the point of that. | ||
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On April 17 2009 01:54 Reason wrote: Randoms in the game deal with it dude. That's pathetic. Seriously pathetic. Observer over turret is "in the game" Stacked SCV attacking nexus is "in the game" I'm not going to continue listing. These things are banned for a very good reason, they are unfair/imba. As is picking random when your opponent picks his race. Nevermind the fact that you have to learn 3x the MUs to gain this advantage. Do players who have high APM or great timing have an unfair advantage? Playing random is just like any other skill in starcraft. You get to enjoy the advantages of them if you practice enough. Also random isn't banned, wtf are you talking about. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On April 17 2009 02:33 jello_biafra wrote: The gayest thing is when they switch race at the last second, usually from P to Z and 5 pool you. that's like scamming in runescape | ||
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Phrujbaz
Netherlands512 Posts
"Me random." >"Pick race" "You pick my race" guy picks my race, I happily play whatever he picks for me, done. It's a fourth (3.5th) matchup many people don't like to play against, as it's completely unnecessary to learn to play vs random unless you're just in the game for fun. If you random to play all races, follow the method above. If you random to get an advantage because otherwise you can't win, you deserve to get banned. Oh, and if someone lies to me about their race and/or changes at the last second, I state the reason I'm leaving in the chat and just leave the game. The game is not counted. | ||
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