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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 08 2009 22:25 GMT
#81
On April 08 2009 17:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2009 10:28 Kwark wrote:
Virgins are worth more in porn. Still worth considering.
What stakes are you playing?


....female virgins

sorry kwark

kwark's gay obv :D
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 08 2009 22:30 GMT
#82
On April 09 2009 07:09 GeneralStan wrote:
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On April 09 2009 07:04 Mindcrime wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:35 GeneralStan wrote:
About porn. Why are people talking as though its so easy to get into? Do you guys know something I don't? Where would a stapping young man like myself go to get into his first porno?


Contact one of these studios.


Hahaha . . . no


Why are you laughing? If you want to get into porn, that's where you will more than likely have to start. Peter North did it.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
April 08 2009 22:34 GMT
#83
On April 09 2009 06:58 d1v wrote:
Ok, now if you consider abandoning poker, what are your options in the working environment? What school did you last go to? What do you think of the idea of getting a part-time job to cover some of your bills while trying to build up your BR again?


Depending on where he lives, it may be difficult to get a job at the moment. There is always the option of being the hated English teacher abroad Honestly, that's what I would do if I couldn't get a better job.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 23:16:34
April 08 2009 22:51 GMT
#84
On April 08 2009 15:05 Rekrul wrote:
u've been going through this for years now, get a grip and do something other than poker

whiners do not deserve 'understanding' especially given the amount of opportunities you've had

you're slightly mentally derranged, which is great sometimes and bad sometimes. in the case of poker it's really bad.

man up, become a mad scientist or something


like me, I am making a killing lately
double pun intended

travis I hate to harp on you again on this but it's the adderall I tell you, try life without it : )

"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
April 08 2009 23:10 GMT
#85
On April 09 2009 06:47 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 06:40 Luddite wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:35 GeneralStan wrote:
About porn. Why are people talking as though its so easy to get into? Do you guys know something I don't? Where would a stapping young man like myself go to get into his first porno?

I've seen ads on Craiglist, so you could try looking/posting there. You might have to move to LA, though, and I'm guessing the pay for the average male actor is complete shit.

WRT the topic at hand: why on earth does Travis get the poker icon if he's struggling to make a living at 50NL? I assumed he was some sort of high roller. 50NL is like, peanuts in the poker world. There's sooooo many good poker players on this site, it's insane.


because over a 5 year period the limits someone is playing can change. *gasp*
anyways the icon is mine, not "the best poker player's", so don't be an asshole.

But... usually if you're good enough to do it for a living then the limit you're playing goes up, not down.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36388 Posts
April 08 2009 23:16 GMT
#86
On April 08 2009 06:54 travis wrote:
...
I would trade this shit in for an honest job with a wage slightly above the poverty line in a heartbeat.
...

Really? Have you ever held such a job for a long period of time? I really doubt you can go from poker to earning $8/hr at some grocery. Do you have the discipline for it? If I had to describe the worst possible wage employee, 99% of the character traits I list would align with the exact personality of a poker degenerate.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
April 08 2009 23:22 GMT
#87
On April 09 2009 07:34 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 06:58 d1v wrote:
Ok, now if you consider abandoning poker, what are your options in the working environment? What school did you last go to? What do you think of the idea of getting a part-time job to cover some of your bills while trying to build up your BR again?


Depending on where he lives, it may be difficult to get a job at the moment. There is always the option of being the hated English teacher abroad Honestly, that's what I would do if I couldn't get a better job.


Yes, it certainly is an option, but I'd regard it as a rather desperate move. With the economic crisis having a tight grasp on America, it actually might be his best bet to get his head clear, analyse the flaws in his play and make another attempt. Molte, where in Germany do you live, if I may ask?
Adams Æbler
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
April 08 2009 23:43 GMT
#88
A desperate move would be enlisting in the Legion Etrangere, but it would be effective if he wanted to avoid Elky and his debts.

I like learning languages, and would consider teaching English just to have the opportunity to do linguistic immersion somewhere (in Europe,) but I'm not certain if that is travis' forte.

Molte, where in Germany do you live, if I may ask?


Franconia
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 08 2009 23:49 GMT
#89
what do you mean elky and his debts?
why so 진지해?
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 23:55:55
April 08 2009 23:54 GMT
#90
travis said he owned elky money
i.e. go to the foreign legion to escape his own debts AND elky

travis wouldn't survive a day in the foreign legion though
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
April 08 2009 23:55 GMT
#91
oh lol
why so 진지해?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
April 09 2009 00:01 GMT
#92
On April 08 2009 10:10 travis wrote:
first I want to say thanks to everyone for being civil. a lot of people have strong opinions when it comes to things like playing poker for a living, and im glad to see there is no flaming going on in here.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2009 08:21 Amnesty wrote:
I havent logged on PS in a long time but just guessing since the economy is so shit right now, a lot less donators and fish are logging on to PS. So the avg skill has gone up quite a bit. Some of them might be a lot worse then you but the avg is still higher. Just a guess.


yes the skill has gone up considerably.


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On April 08 2009 09:32 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
play off your debts and then stop playing poker already and get a normal job



this is my plan. funny thing is, I think deep down that when I get to the point where im able to pay off the last of my debts, I will probably have a big enough br and be winning enough that the stress would be gone and I could keep doing it. but... I think I would just like to do something simple that I can take joy out of for a living. If I could walk for a living I would do that for sure.


Show nested quote +

Oh back to OP... If you're planning to still stay in poker... Clear your head first man, we all go on losing streaks, How you get out of it is all mental shit. I'm sure u knew that already, but just reminding. If you don't plan on staying with poker... i hope you have a degree or else good luck with finding a job out there...its brutal


yeah.. there is so many mental problems that I have when I play poker. I have been dealing with debt for a long time now and it's just been so stressful for so long. I used to be so much better back when I had a clear head. really that's the main reason I want to stop, because I can't figure out how to keep my head clear but still stay motivated. I mean the game isn't even fun for me anymore it's just boring(largely because im playing at low stakes). So to keep my focus up i have to make myself care. But when I make myself care, bad beats bother me more. So it's just kinda gay. but I've never been good at making myself do things I don't actually want to do.

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On April 08 2009 09:22 Mickey wrote:
Why don't you try freelance computer work or something you might have skills in besides poker, or you could do porn. I'm serious I remember reading that a man doing heterosexual porn could make $1,000 in a week or two weeks.



I can't do porn b/c I am a virgin and I have no intentions of ever having sex. otherwise that actually sounds like a good idea lol.


Dude I know some one that works for bangbros and he makes about 1200$ a week. Lose your virginity asap seriously! If not then try to get a customer service job with a porn industry, they also make mad money.
Life?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 09 2009 00:09 GMT
#93
On April 09 2009 08:10 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 06:47 travis wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:40 Luddite wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:35 GeneralStan wrote:
About porn. Why are people talking as though its so easy to get into? Do you guys know something I don't? Where would a stapping young man like myself go to get into his first porno?

I've seen ads on Craiglist, so you could try looking/posting there. You might have to move to LA, though, and I'm guessing the pay for the average male actor is complete shit.

WRT the topic at hand: why on earth does Travis get the poker icon if he's struggling to make a living at 50NL? I assumed he was some sort of high roller. 50NL is like, peanuts in the poker world. There's sooooo many good poker players on this site, it's insane.


because over a 5 year period the limits someone is playing can change. *gasp*
anyways the icon is mine, not "the best poker player's", so don't be an asshole.

But... usually if you're good enough to do it for a living then the limit you're playing goes up, not down.


was that supposed to be a reply to what I said? because it's more like you didn't read what I said, and then posted what you said the first time again.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 09 2009 00:11 GMT
#94
On April 09 2009 08:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2009 06:54 travis wrote:
...
I would trade this shit in for an honest job with a wage slightly above the poverty line in a heartbeat.
...

Really? Have you ever held such a job for a long period of time? I really doubt you can go from poker to earning $8/hr at some grocery. Do you have the discipline for it?


discipline? explain to me what is hard about working that type of job.


If I had to describe the worst possible wage employee, 99% of the character traits I list would align with the exact personality of a poker degenerate.


what?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 00:17:18
April 09 2009 00:13 GMT
#95
On April 09 2009 08:54 Physician wrote:
travis said he owned elky money
i.e. go to the foreign legion to escape his own debts AND elky

travis wouldn't survive a day in the foreign legion though


you really have no clue what I would or would not survive. the fact is I would never join a military organization for a variety of reasons but honestly, you have little idea what I can or can't do.

but I know you're a good guy and you aren't trying to insult me, and maybe I am just misinterpreting you in the first place.


but anyways I certainly don't want to escape my debts, I want to pay them back.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
April 09 2009 00:21 GMT
#96
On April 09 2009 09:09 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 08:10 Luddite wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:47 travis wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:40 Luddite wrote:
WRT the topic at hand: why on earth does Travis get the poker icon if he's struggling to make a living at 50NL? I assumed he was some sort of high roller. 50NL is like, peanuts in the poker world. There's sooooo many good poker players on this site, it's insane.


because over a 5 year period the limits someone is playing can change. *gasp*
anyways the icon is mine, not "the best poker player's", so don't be an asshole.

But... usually if you're good enough to do it for a living then the limit you're playing goes up, not down.


was that supposed to be a reply to what I said? because it's more like you didn't read what I said, and then posted what you said the first time again.

Well what you said didn't really answer my question. I asked, on a site where I'm sure there's at least 10 people playing NL100 or more, why is it that the only guy who has a poker icon is playing NL50? That'd be like if, on liquid poker where there's ex SC pros like Elky, Grrrr..., and Rekrul, if they randomly gave the only starcraft icon to some guy who's C on ICCUP. You said that limits can change, so by that I assume that you used to play higher limits and you've been forced to drop down. Is that right? But that's a really bad sign if you're forced to drop down that much... that means you really should stop playing poker at least for a while. Sorry if I'm being an asshole about this, I just think it's weird.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 09 2009 00:22 GMT
#97
what do you mean you NEVER plan on having sex?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 00:27:38
April 09 2009 00:26 GMT
#98
On April 09 2009 09:21 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 09:09 travis wrote:
On April 09 2009 08:10 Luddite wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:47 travis wrote:
On April 09 2009 06:40 Luddite wrote:
WRT the topic at hand: why on earth does Travis get the poker icon if he's struggling to make a living at 50NL? I assumed he was some sort of high roller. 50NL is like, peanuts in the poker world. There's sooooo many good poker players on this site, it's insane.


because over a 5 year period the limits someone is playing can change. *gasp*
anyways the icon is mine, not "the best poker player's", so don't be an asshole.

But... usually if you're good enough to do it for a living then the limit you're playing goes up, not down.


was that supposed to be a reply to what I said? because it's more like you didn't read what I said, and then posted what you said the first time again.

Well what you said didn't really answer my question. I asked, on a site where I'm sure there's at least 10 people playing NL100 or more, why is it that the only guy who has a poker icon is playing NL50? That'd be like if, on liquid poker where there's ex SC pros like Elky, Grrrr..., and Rekrul, if they randomly gave the only starcraft icon to some guy who's C on ICCUP. You said that limits can change, so by that I assume that you used to play higher limits and you've been forced to drop down. Is that right? But that's a really bad sign if you're forced to drop down that much... that means you really should stop playing poker at least for a while. Sorry if I'm being an asshole about this, I just think it's weird.



and I answered by saying the poker icon is my icon. it has nothing to do with what limits I or anyone else is playing.

so if your question is "why are you playing 50nl" then you should ask that.
or if your question is "how did you get your poker icon", then you should ask that.

anyways to answer all of it:


I have had this icon for years. When I got this icon poker was basically my life. I am not sure what limits I was playing, but I am a degen and in my poker carreer I have moved up and down a lot.

and yes you are still being an asshole. I am not taking offense because I don't think you intend any, but that is still how you appear to me.

I mean what, do you think I am not aware that it's better for me to be able to play higher limits than to play low ones? wtf?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 00:33:16
April 09 2009 00:31 GMT
#99
On April 09 2009 09:22 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
what do you mean you NEVER plan on having sex?


I mean that I was awkward and super introverted back in my school years, I never developed much of a sex drive or a desire to have sex, and so it never happened. I have never even had a girlfriend. There have been a couple opportunities the last couple years but really I just am not interested in that sort of thing.

Sex could possibly happen for me if something crazy happened, like a hot girl was basically seducing me, but for some reason I don't think it will.

I am pretty comfortable with being celibate actually. There are certain benefits to it.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
April 09 2009 00:33 GMT
#100
All I'm saying is, if you're not even good enough to beat nl50, then you should stop playing poker and they should give someone else the poker icon.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
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