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On April 09 2009 12:12 TheFlashyOne wrote:
Panorama ?! LOL ? i hope you're joking about network marketing.
the success rate in that thing is about as abysmal as poker's
Reread my first paragraph again if it helps. The idea was that even if there were a job that a lot consider to be awful (such as flipping burgers all day for instance), the fact of the matter is I'd commit myself to it anyway if it came down to it. I know about the success rate, along with every little bad thing about Network Marketing, but the fact that there is actually a non-zero % chance that you actually can make a decent living off network marketing if done right means that if that's what it took, that's what I would do.
In other words you can substitute every instance of "Network Marketing" for any other job/career. It was an example.
Travis:
But while I may be a good poker player, I have never been a good professional poker player.
Yeah I think this is a really, really good way of describing it. I'm glad you've at the very least made this realization so you at least know what's lacking in your game.
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In my opinion if your having trouble with poker as you are, get a job. Get any job you can and get as many hours as you can. After work grind it out poker until you have cleared all your debt and you are able to stop and can choose what you want to do next.
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dude
not illegal untill you get caught
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maybe start being methodical and effective?
I once read on Tillerman's blog how many poker books he consumed while learning the game... maybe you should take another approach. To me you seem like a very emotional guy, maybe you also play poker very emotionally and if you're unstable in that compartment, you screw up - you might want to "learn" how it's done with brutal efficiency so you could wipe out your flaws? If you've only played out of your gut feeling till now maybe you should also read books about poker theory written by ppl who have a different "cooler and more rational" approach to the game, so that in combination with your own strengths it may elevate your overall level of play? IDK + Show Spoiler +i'm thinking in dragonball WHAT'S DA ULTIMATE TRAINING terms -__-;;
i mean.. what can one recommend in such a situation. economic crisis, level of play getting more challanging<=>worse players leaving "the market", while your level of play degens or stagnates....... if you try to get another shot at poker your debt may increase or doesn't go up or down without any emotional stability or leng term security.
work off your debt somehow and then start something worth your lifetime (mark moltke's flowery words, though that is much much too idealistic), maybe teaching english in a foreign culture, which could be interesting. - don't you like buddhism? maybe find a job in india where your english skills can be applied... mad opium gogo
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you already have the answer for your problem, find an honest job with a decent wage.
+ Show Spoiler +you are a dumb ass for depending on poker for an income
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On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.
bullshit My dear NoobsofWrath, in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!
i was under the distinct impression that i'm immortal
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After reading the post about being celibate I think you need to stop understating your situation and making excuses for yourself. You aren't celibate by choice, you are a socially awkward 25 year old virgin who is more than likely addicted to the internet. Do you have any real life friends? If you don't work, go to school, etc, was a social outcast in high school like you said, I can't imagine you have many real life acquaintances left. I'm not saying anything to be mean here but if I was in your position I'd be in panic mode right now, not "make a whiny blog" mode.
Get your mom to co sign on a loan to pay off your credit card debt. The interest will be significantly lower and it will be much more serviceable. Go get a job, outside, in the real world, away from your computer. Stop assuring people on the internet of "what you are capable of" and prove it.
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I can't find the thread but didint you win like a million+ on the WPT not to long ago? Fuck man did you really burn threw all that? Unless i am just remember it wrong.
Anyway before you even take out a loan if you have that much CC debt maybe you should really just look into bankrupcy. Your still a young man. You can go a few years without needing a huge loan for anything. What is it 5 years? In the mean time you can go to a commuinty college or trade school. Work a few years then by the end of your bankrupcuy you could be a man with a decent job and debt free. It will likely take you about that long to pay off the loan anyway and this way you avoid interest on a loan. I really read up on that before hand.
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On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.
bullshit My dear NoobsofWrath, in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!
Dear MoltkeWarding,
A Successful poker player does not plague the healthy, he punishes the very vices that leads to the corruption of own intellect or integrity.
For an example i will use both Rekrul and Travis. Rekrul and his like, already being too corrupt for redemption are doing a service to the young Travis's of the world, simply by not allowing them to make a living off poker, thus driving them off this deplorable (deplorable by society's (and apparently Moltke's) standards, not my own) path and onto the other paths of life.
Rekrul is not better nor worse than Travis, both simply are, and in being they have equal worth, each serves his purpose.
Now, if Travis were to "succeed" and join the Rekrul's of this world, I would not consider it living beneath himself, simply because he will be offering something to society and is that not a virtue? what experiences might he behold that might have otherwise been lost to him and do those experiences not educate him or contribute to his wisdom and conscience?
is a life of solitude, comfort and reflection not one of virtue?
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you guys are deep. way too deep.
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On April 14 2009 16:35 Etherone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.
bullshit My dear NoobsofWrath, in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short! Dear MoltkeWarding, A Successful poker player does not plague the healthy, he punishes the very vices that leads to the corruption of own intellect or integrity. For an example i will use both Rekrul and Travis. Rekrul and his like, already being too corrupt for redemption are doing a service to the young Travis's of the world, simply by not allowing them to make a living off poker, thus driving them off this deplorable (deplorable by society's (and apparently Moltke's) standards, not my own) path and onto the other paths of life. Rekrul is not better nor worse than Travis, both simply are, and in being they have equal worth, each serves his purpose. Now, if Travis were to "succeed" and join the Rekrul's of this world, I would not consider it living beneath himself, simply because he will be offering something to society and is that not a virtue? what experiences might he behold that might have otherwise been lost to him and do those experiences not educate him or contribute to his wisdom and conscience? is a life of solitude, comfort and reflection not one of virtue?
I think that's wishful thinking lol.
I doubt however, that the majority of the money in poker is coming from degenerate losers. I think that at the higher stakes, you're just getting people who entered a tournament for 10 dollars for fun, lucked out and won it, and is now blowing all his winnings right into the hands of players who know what they're doing. Basically, all that money is just collected from 100s of people who make a very small investment for fun, lose it all to one player, and then that player loses it to someone else until it either gets removed from circulation by cash out, or gets into the hands of a good player thru a successive list of bimbos. This is why PokerStars is so successful... they host a million of this little tournaments constantly.
The number of degenerates like Travis who are just bad at poker and try to make a living off it and possibly in extreme cases end up selling their furniture and borrowing lots of money, are not what powers poker I think. There are only so many of those people, and only so many of them play poker. They're just as likely to blow all their money on cards in poker as they are with any other chance event in life. If you remove poker from their lives, they'll still be degenerate losers, which means you aren't really fixing anyone's problem.
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I am certainly not a loser. Was it really necessary to bump this thread?
If an admin reads this could they close it? There really isn't anything to be gained from continuing discussion here. My problems are already solved.
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On April 16 2009 08:20 travis wrote:
I am certainly not a loser. Was it really necessary to bump this thread?
If an admin reads this could they close it? There really isn't anything to be gained from continuing discussion here. My problems are already solved.
How did you solve them?
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