• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:57
CEST 04:57
KST 11:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation5$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced4Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles5[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps i aint gon lie to u bruh... BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall SC uni coach streams logging into betting site
Tourneys
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Summer Games Done Quick 2025! US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2024!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 494 users

im considering doing illegal things to make money - Page 7

Blogs > Deleted User 3420
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 05:41:40
April 09 2009 05:38 GMT
#121
On April 09 2009 12:12 TheFlashyOne wrote:
Panorama ?! LOL ? i hope you're joking about network marketing.

the success rate in that thing is about as abysmal as poker's


Reread my first paragraph again if it helps. The idea was that even if there were a job that a lot consider to be awful (such as flipping burgers all day for instance), the fact of the matter is I'd commit myself to it anyway if it came down to it. I know about the success rate, along with every little bad thing about Network Marketing, but the fact that there is actually a non-zero % chance that you actually can make a decent living off network marketing if done right means that if that's what it took, that's what I would do.

In other words you can substitute every instance of "Network Marketing" for any other job/career. It was an example.

Travis:
But while I may be a good poker player, I have never been a good professional poker player.


Yeah I think this is a really, really good way of describing it. I'm glad you've at the very least made this realization so you at least know what's lacking in your game.
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
April 09 2009 07:47 GMT
#122
In my opinion if your having trouble with poker as you are, get a job. Get any job you can and get as many hours as you can. After work grind it out poker until you have cleared all your debt and you are able to stop and can choose what you want to do next.
._.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
April 09 2009 09:42 GMT
#123
dude
not illegal untill you get caught
cw)minsean(ru
Ghardo
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Germany1685 Posts
April 09 2009 10:21 GMT
#124
maybe start being methodical and effective?

I once read on Tillerman's blog how many poker books he consumed while learning the game... maybe you should take another approach. To me you seem like a very emotional guy, maybe you also play poker very emotionally and if you're unstable in that compartment, you screw up - you might want to "learn" how it's done with brutal efficiency so you could wipe out your flaws? If you've only played out of your gut feeling till now maybe you should also read books about poker theory written by ppl who have a different "cooler and more rational" approach to the game, so that in combination with your own strengths it may elevate your overall level of play? IDK + Show Spoiler +
i'm thinking in dragonball WHAT'S DA ULTIMATE TRAINING terms -__-;;


i mean.. what can one recommend in such a situation. economic crisis, level of play getting more challanging<=>worse players leaving "the market", while your level of play degens or stagnates....... if you try to get another shot at poker your debt may increase or doesn't go up or down without any emotional stability or leng term security.

work off your debt somehow and then start something worth your lifetime (mark moltke's flowery words, though that is much much too idealistic), maybe teaching english in a foreign culture, which could be interesting. - don't you like buddhism? maybe find a job in india where your english skills can be applied... mad opium gogo

KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
April 09 2009 10:50 GMT
#125
you already have the answer for your problem, find an honest job with a decent wage.

+ Show Spoiler +
you are a dumb ass for depending on poker for an income
moshi moshi~
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
April 09 2009 11:50 GMT
#126
On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.



bullshit


My dear NoobsofWrath,

in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!


i was under the distinct impression that i'm immortal
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
April 09 2009 12:33 GMT
#127
After reading the post about being celibate I think you need to stop understating your situation and making excuses for yourself. You aren't celibate by choice, you are a socially awkward 25 year old virgin who is more than likely addicted to the internet. Do you have any real life friends? If you don't work, go to school, etc, was a social outcast in high school like you said, I can't imagine you have many real life acquaintances left. I'm not saying anything to be mean here but if I was in your position I'd be in panic mode right now, not "make a whiny blog" mode.

Get your mom to co sign on a loan to pay off your credit card debt. The interest will be significantly lower and it will be much more serviceable. Go get a job, outside, in the real world, away from your computer. Stop assuring people on the internet of "what you are capable of" and prove it.
InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
April 14 2009 07:35 GMT
#128
I can't find the thread but didint you win like a million+ on the WPT not to long ago? Fuck man did you really burn threw all that? Unless i am just remember it wrong.

Anyway before you even take out a loan if you have that much CC debt maybe you should really just look into bankrupcy. Your still a young man. You can go a few years without needing a huge loan for anything. What is it 5 years? In the mean time you can go to a commuinty college or trade school. Work a few years then by the end of your bankrupcuy you could be a man with a decent job and debt free. It will likely take you about that long to pay off the loan anyway and this way you avoid interest on a loan. I really read up on that before hand.
When the spirit is not altogether slain, great loss teaches men and women to desire greatly, both for themselves and for others.
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
April 14 2009 07:35 GMT
#129
On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.



bullshit


My dear NoobsofWrath,

in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!


Dear MoltkeWarding,

A Successful poker player does not plague the healthy, he punishes the very vices that leads to the corruption of own intellect or integrity.
For an example i will use both Rekrul and Travis. Rekrul and his like, already being too corrupt for redemption are doing a service to the young Travis's of the world, simply by not allowing them to make a living off poker, thus driving them off this deplorable (deplorable by society's (and apparently Moltke's) standards, not my own) path and onto the other paths of life.

Rekrul is not better nor worse than Travis, both simply are, and in being they have equal worth, each serves his purpose.

Now, if Travis were to "succeed" and join the Rekrul's of this world, I would not consider it living beneath himself, simply because he will be offering something to society and is that not a virtue? what experiences might he behold that might have otherwise been lost to him and do those experiences not educate him or contribute to his wisdom and conscience?
is a life of solitude, comfort and reflection not one of virtue?

TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
April 15 2009 22:30 GMT
#130
you guys are deep. way too deep.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
April 15 2009 22:59 GMT
#131
On April 14 2009 16:35 Etherone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 05:23 MoltkeWarding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2009 04:43 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 04:40 MoltkeWarding wrote:
When you began poker you were certainly operating under illusions of easy profit; itself a hazardous notion, since it is symptomatic of self-weariness and ends in the stagnation of character.



bullshit


My dear NoobsofWrath,

in fifty or so years we will grow weak and die. Time is therefore a scarce commodity which must be used sagaciously to redeem our existence. Can you in good conscience advocate to a man in the bloom of his life to live beneath himself? Or to reduce himself to a parasite, prospering only by plaguing healthy, producing organisms? For that is the life of the successful poker player. And what has he achieved for himself? He has for all his work invested nothing in his own education, wisdom, conscience or virtue. His gain in happiness is fleeting, while the misery of those he ruins (such as our unfortunate friend) may be enduring. A tall thing to be doing when the good years are so short!


Dear MoltkeWarding,

A Successful poker player does not plague the healthy, he punishes the very vices that leads to the corruption of own intellect or integrity.
For an example i will use both Rekrul and Travis. Rekrul and his like, already being too corrupt for redemption are doing a service to the young Travis's of the world, simply by not allowing them to make a living off poker, thus driving them off this deplorable (deplorable by society's (and apparently Moltke's) standards, not my own) path and onto the other paths of life.

Rekrul is not better nor worse than Travis, both simply are, and in being they have equal worth, each serves his purpose.

Now, if Travis were to "succeed" and join the Rekrul's of this world, I would not consider it living beneath himself, simply because he will be offering something to society and is that not a virtue? what experiences might he behold that might have otherwise been lost to him and do those experiences not educate him or contribute to his wisdom and conscience?
is a life of solitude, comfort and reflection not one of virtue?


I think that's wishful thinking lol.

I doubt however, that the majority of the money in poker is coming from degenerate losers. I think that at the higher stakes, you're just getting people who entered a tournament for 10 dollars for fun, lucked out and won it, and is now blowing all his winnings right into the hands of players who know what they're doing. Basically, all that money is just collected from 100s of people who make a very small investment for fun, lose it all to one player, and then that player loses it to someone else until it either gets removed from circulation by cash out, or gets into the hands of a good player thru a successive list of bimbos. This is why PokerStars is so successful... they host a million of this little tournaments constantly.

The number of degenerates like Travis who are just bad at poker and try to make a living off it and possibly in extreme cases end up selling their furniture and borrowing lots of money, are not what powers poker I think. There are only so many of those people, and only so many of them play poker. They're just as likely to blow all their money on cards in poker as they are with any other chance event in life. If you remove poker from their lives, they'll still be degenerate losers, which means you aren't really fixing anyone's problem.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
April 15 2009 23:20 GMT
#132
I am certainly not a loser. Was it really necessary to bump this thread?

If an admin reads this could they close it? There really isn't anything to be gained from continuing discussion here. My problems are already solved.
pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
April 15 2009 23:45 GMT
#133
On April 16 2009 08:20 travis wrote:
I am certainly not a loser. Was it really necessary to bump this thread?

If an admin reads this could they close it? There really isn't anything to be gained from continuing discussion here. My problems are already solved.


How did you solve them?
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#39
PiGStarcraft506
SteadfastSC121
CranKy Ducklings113
rockletztv 30
davetesta23
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft506
WinterStarcraft257
Nina 144
SteadfastSC 121
RuFF_SC2 97
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 779
Sharp 53
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever552
League of Legends
JimRising 770
Counter-Strike
fl0m2336
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox531
Other Games
summit1g6314
shahzam850
Maynarde212
ViBE193
Trikslyr50
CosmosSc2 32
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick46963
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH164
• Hupsaiya 57
• practicex 13
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki17
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2062
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
7h 4m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
13h 4m
WardiTV European League
13h 4m
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
Replay Cast
21h 4m
RSL Revival
1d 7h
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
OSC
1d 10h
Replay Cast
1d 21h
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
2 days
OSC
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
FEL
3 days
FEL
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-07-07
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.