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So there was a game played where the Protoss did the following:
1)DT Rush
The Terran countered as he had 3raxed for a marine medic timing push and thus beat off the dts.
2)Reaver drop with DTs
The most despicable thing ever. You can't kill the dts with vultures as there's a reaver in the way, and tanks/marines will die to dts or the reaver or both.
The Terran had expanded (2base to 2base) so he was able to save most of his scvs. But his production was crippled as the Protoss continued to ferry DTs, zealots, and dragoons into the Terran base.
3)Zealot/DT drop into the mineral line
really annoying, but repelled by turrets
4) Sneak expansion in far off corner on Python
Gee whiz.
5) Counter enemy push at your nat by recalling with an arbiter that you got off one base. Photon cannon your nat and base to hell.
The Terran lost all his factories, supply depots, barracks, and a lot of scvs. The protoss lost his only mining base though, and the Terran had such shitty macro that he was able to sneak an expo and make a very unbreakable contain (turrets, tanks, depots, mines, bunkers)
6) Send shuttle to piss Terran off by harassing his expo with DTs.
7) Try to break contain and fail miserably.
8) Harass Terran contain with goons
9) try and fail to drop DTs again
10) Cannon the fuck out of your hidden expo so that Terran has to waste time sieging and unsieging
11) almost break the contain but foiled in the nick of time by Terran reinforcements
12) give up after an hour long game after being as homosexual as possible with protoss.
gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
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... is there such a thing as a 3 rax timing push ? wat
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You can't complain about protoss gayness when you're doing terran gayness. 3 rax timing push? WTF?
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On January 13 2009 15:21 selboN wrote:
You can't complain about protoss gayness when you're doing terran gayness. 3 rax timing push? WTF?
i scouted his citadel and was like fuck it i'm rushing this ho
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This is every game I've ever played on iccup.
I feel your pain buddy.
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Osaka27151 Posts
I think that protoss is to be commended. He should lots of exciting play  You just expect him to charge into siege tanks instead?
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On January 13 2009 15:39 Manifesto7 wrote:I think that protoss is to be commended. He should lots of exciting play You just expect him to charge into siege tanks instead?
yes :D
i had to do some whack lure zealot-into-mines-with-goliaths micro a lot to stay alive, but damn I did it.
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Speaking of annoying Protoss, I played one guy who kept suiciding his zealots to kill off expansions, while expanding more or less undefended pretty much everywhere (which were promptly killed). I should have gotten lurkers sooner, but bleh. You figure at some point he realizes trading expansions means he's going to lose when you have a few more than him. He followed that up by turtling hardcore since he was so far behind... if I weren't confident in my defiler usage now, that game might have dragged out into a long win for him since he was starting to try to mass archon/reaver (I manged to slay all his archons before a single reaver popped though, fortunately). So annoying.
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Reaver drop with DTs? He had to of done this very late or had no other units.
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On January 13 2009 16:02 tonight wrote:
Reaver drop with DTs? He had to of done this very late or had no other units.
he dt rushed me first. Then I scanned his nat and saw he had an undefended expo so I sent my troops to attack. He had like two dts guarding his base so I took them out and all the probes at the nat. He sends shuttle with reaver + 2dts into my base and just fucks me over.
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On January 13 2009 15:15 Caller wrote:
So there was a game played where the Protoss did the following:
1)DT Rush
The Terran countered as he had 3raxed for a marine medic timing push and thus beat off the dts.
lol. the DT's must have been quite satisfied and left you in peace.
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So what you're saying is that you countered everything he did, won the game, and you're still complaining? He's being annoying for using all the units protoss has as best he can to defeat a Terran who put him into a "defend from timing push-into-contain" situation? Aren't you, like, overreacting a bit?
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On January 13 2009 16:36 Grobyc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 15:15 Caller wrote:
So there was a game played where the Protoss did the following:
1)DT Rush
The Terran countered as he had 3raxed for a marine medic timing push and thus beat off the dts. lol. the DT's must have been quite satisfied and left you in peace.
rofl
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I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough. It's part of the game and sure it's annoying - but that is why it succeeds. Play like that is designed to throw you off and slow you down bit by bit, it's guerrilla tactics not blunt army vs. army confrontation. It's called a strategy game for a reason.
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On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough. It's part of the game and sure it's annoying - but that is why it succeeds. Play like that is designed to throw you off and slow you down bit by bit, it's guerrilla tactics not blunt army vs. army confrontation. It's called a strategy game for a reason.
Couldn't have said it better!
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man this game sounds exciting, get that rep uploaded man!
protoss is so fun with all of the sweet harassment units you get to use, especially pvz, not to mention the bad ass spellcasters
if t wasn't for the 1a2a3a ridicule i'd totally play toss
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So prot made somу nice moves. What did you do becides 3rax rush to counter dts?
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Katowice25012 Posts
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Terran are always horrible and lame whiners.
I remember mahini called me " another noob ( ok ) p cheeser ( wtf ? )" because i went reaver drop .
They are complaining whereas their cheese are still the gayest. Fucking sore losers.
+ Show Spoiler + just kidding but sometimes they are really annoying 
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On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite?
why it is annoying:
Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit.
Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up.
I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed.
If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this.
If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? why it is annoying: Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit. Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up.I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed. If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much.
I decided you can't play straight-up with terran, that's why you suck.
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The protoss have arrived .
Oh well since you won that game you can't really complain. All in good fun ^^.
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saw the blog title, rated it a 1 and didnt read anything.
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Think that's gay? You should TvP me. You haven't even said anything about carrier rushing yet
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On January 14 2009 00:22 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
saw the blog title, rated it a 1 and didnt read anything.
good job i can do that too on all your blogs when you make them
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On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? why it is annoying: Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit. Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up. I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed. If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much.
I won a ZvP on Destination straight-up, and on a regame on Othello I had a feeling he was going to 2gate so I 5pool'ed. Lo and behold he did 2gate and I countered it completely, and he complained and said it was lame to 5pool on a re.
But he 2gated.
????
People.
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On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much.
People shouldn't cry regardless. If I go fast DT or DT drop you and you cry about it, your a sore loser. There is no etiquette for when specific builds are appropriate.
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On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? why it is annoying: Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit. Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up. I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed. If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much.
People who utilize those tactics don't utilize them to prove they are the shit. They do it to win. Whether you know that the Protoss can play straight up or not is irrelevant, it's how he is playing in THIS game, and what YOU have to do to accommodate. Cheese is part of the game. You're not some moral superior to people who cheese because of that fact. It's a legitimate strategy to gain an advantage, and the Terran, if they have any sort of skill, should be trying to minimize that advantage and not crying about how the Protoss didn't play "straight up". Whatever happened to scouting? Reacting to enemy builds? Come on now.
Think about it this way. What are some things Terran do in TvP to gain an advantage? They to a hardpush/crawl to secure their third, laying mines and building turrets on the map, with a heavy siege force behind it. Do you expect Protoss to engage this fortress with "straight up" play? If the tank/mine/turret placement is correct, it is difficult for a Protoss of the same level to break it even with the reputed 1a2a3a and zealot bomb/runby. What else does Terran do? They do a FD push which is generally effective if the Protoss doesn't go 2 gate range. This allows them to prevent early game harass from a Protoss ground army, and it gives them ample time to start their 2nd while the Protoss is left behind. There are many other things but I'll leave it at that.
In other words, just because the methods Terran use to gain an advantage aren't as sneaky or flexible (drops, dt/ht being same tech tree), doesn't mean that you are somehow less gay or they are more lame. That's the mechanics of the respective races. The game is a strategy game, and it's about doing anything you are capable of doing to secure an advantage and win. Think JulyZerg vs. Best. Stork vs. Fantasy game 1. Boxer vs. Yellow bunkers. The list goes on. Cheese is done in the OSLs by the best players in the world, not because they are justified by their superior macro/micro in "straight up" play, but because that is what they CAN do to gain an advantage and CHOOSE to do. It's the same for ICCup; not every player who goes DT drop is some one-build-wonder that sucks otherwise but knows how to do that one harass.
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On January 14 2009 04:16 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? why it is annoying: Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit. Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up. I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed. If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much. People who utilize those tactics don't utilize them to prove they are the shit. They do it to win. Whether you know that the Protoss can play straight up or not is irrelevant, it's how he is playing in THIS game, and what YOU have to do to accommodate. Cheese is part of the game. You're not some moral superior to people who cheese because of that fact. It's a legitimate strategy to gain an advantage, and the Terran, if they have any sort of skill, should be trying to minimize that advantage and not crying about how the Protoss didn't play "straight up". Whatever happened to scouting? Reacting to enemy builds? Come on now. Think about it this way. What are some things Terran do in TvP to gain an advantage? They to a hardpush/crawl to secure their third, laying mines and building turrets on the map, with a heavy siege force behind it. Do you expect Protoss to engage this fortress with "straight up" play? If the tank/mine/turret placement is correct, it is difficult for a Protoss of the same level to break it even with the reputed 1a2a3a and zealot bomb/runby. What else does Terran do? They do a FD push which is generally effective if the Protoss doesn't go 2 gate range. This allows them to prevent early game harass from a Protoss ground army, and it gives them ample time to start their 2nd while the Protoss is left behind. There are many other things but I'll leave it at that. In other words, just because the methods Terran use to gain an advantage aren't as sneaky or flexible (drops, dt/ht being same tech tree), doesn't mean that you are somehow less gay or they are more lame. That's the mechanics of the respective races. The game is a strategy game, and it's about doing anything you are capable of doing to secure an advantage and win. Think JulyZerg vs. Best. Stork vs. Fantasy game 1. Boxer vs. Yellow bunkers. The list goes on. Cheese is done in the OSLs by the best players in the world, not because they are justified by their superior macro/micro in "straight up" play, but because that is what they CAN do to gain an advantage and CHOOSE to do. It's the same for ICCup; not every player who goes DT drop is some one-build-wonder that sucks otherwise but knows how to do that one harass.
i agreed up until that point
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What's so enjoyable about playing standard? You should have thanked this man; that sounds like an amasing game.
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On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough.
When protoss Dt/reaver drops who does more work?
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Actually terran is really annoying. They have tanks that do like 500 dmg and shoot across the map and mines that do at least 1k damage and vultures that have insta-teleportation.
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On January 14 2009 10:44 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough. When protoss Dt/reaver drops who does more work?
Yes but that's risky build if u lose reavers and without doing DMg it's gg. But to straight up answer your question I would say Protoss easily does more work
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On January 14 2009 14:17 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 10:44 YPang wrote:On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough. When protoss Dt/reaver drops who does more work? Yes but that's risky build if u lose reavers and without doing DMg it's gg. But to straight up answer your question I would say Protoss easily does more work
lol wat
protoss does this:
step 1: build templar archives and dts
step 2: attack move
step 3: build robo bay
step 4: build support and shuttle
step 5: build dts and reaver
step 6: load dts and reaver into shuttle
step 7: drop in terran base
step 8: gg
Terran does this:
1: why arent there goons attacking me somethings up
2: shit dts get scan/turrets up
3: thank god i got turrets/scan just in time only lost 6 scvs to one dt
4: wtf reaver and dt my vultures and marines cant do shit and my tanks die as soon as they pop
5: quick try and surround reaver with units, shit dt
6: quick siege up and turret while reaver/dt rapes the shit out of my main
7: watch protoss mass expand and get carriers
8: gg
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On January 14 2009 10:44 YPang wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? Using tech units like reaver/ht, and expensive units like dt, are always gambles. To micro them properly while macroing can be tough. When protoss Dt/reaver drops who does more work?
When Protoss attacks a Terran turret/tank/mine fortress, who does more work? Exactly. That is why it is strategy and preparation/prevention of the strategy is impotant.
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On January 14 2009 09:24 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2009 04:16 fanatacist wrote:On January 13 2009 22:23 niteReloaded wrote:On January 13 2009 19:17 fanatacist wrote:
I play similar to that. When Bisu does it, it's gosu harass. When we do it, it's annoying gay bm noob shit, amirite? why it is annoying: Nobody likes wannabes who act like they're the shit when they haven't done anything to prove they're the shit. Bisu is allowed to do it because we know he can play straight up. I don't have that mindset anymore, but I think that's what goes on in the heads of people who start getting bm after they get cheesed. If for some reason you care about this, and want to cheese without upsetting people, I suggest cheesing in a Re game. Or at least accepting re after winning like this. If you outmuscle someone straight up, and then beat him with like dts in the next game, I'm pretty sure they won't complain as much. People who utilize those tactics don't utilize them to prove they are the shit. They do it to win. Whether you know that the Protoss can play straight up or not is irrelevant, it's how he is playing in THIS game, and what YOU have to do to accommodate. Cheese is part of the game. You're not some moral superior to people who cheese because of that fact. It's a legitimate strategy to gain an advantage, and the Terran, if they have any sort of skill, should be trying to minimize that advantage and not crying about how the Protoss didn't play "straight up". Whatever happened to scouting? Reacting to enemy builds? Come on now. Think about it this way. What are some things Terran do in TvP to gain an advantage? They to a hardpush/crawl to secure their third, laying mines and building turrets on the map, with a heavy siege force behind it. Do you expect Protoss to engage this fortress with "straight up" play? If the tank/mine/turret placement is correct, it is difficult for a Protoss of the same level to break it even with the reputed 1a2a3a and zealot bomb/runby. What else does Terran do? They do a FD push which is generally effective if the Protoss doesn't go 2 gate range. This allows them to prevent early game harass from a Protoss ground army, and it gives them ample time to start their 2nd while the Protoss is left behind. There are many other things but I'll leave it at that. In other words, just because the methods Terran use to gain an advantage aren't as sneaky or flexible (drops, dt/ht being same tech tree), doesn't mean that you are somehow less gay or they are more lame. That's the mechanics of the respective races. The game is a strategy game, and it's about doing anything you are capable of doing to secure an advantage and win. Think JulyZerg vs. Best. Stork vs. Fantasy game 1. Boxer vs. Yellow bunkers. The list goes on. Cheese is done in the OSLs by the best players in the world, not because they are justified by their superior macro/micro in "straight up" play, but because that is what they CAN do to gain an advantage and CHOOSE to do. It's the same for ICCup; not every player who goes DT drop is some one-build-wonder that sucks otherwise but knows how to do that one harass. i agreed up until that point
People who can only execute one build rarely rise above C level at best, from what I've heard. And even then, it's not even close to being everyone that falls into this category.
EDIT: I can say that every Terran I face can only turret/mine/tank push to third to 200/200 3/3 if they do it to me once and it would be just as logical as what you are arguing with.
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Guys, there is no reason for racewars here.
Instead of whining about how one race merely plays differently than yours to get an advantage is stupid. Just figure out how to counter what they are doing to get an advantage. And so what if protoss micro may be just 1a2a3a. IMHO Zerg build orders are extremely easy and no one complains about those, nor should they.(reference: i play zerg quiet a bit) There are many other things that make that one race harder or easier than the other races. All of you that are complaining about it sound like people who complain about a class being stronger than another in World of Warcraft, its pointless and flame warring about it just makes you look immature.
Anyways, the game is not about who does more work, its about who plays better and who plays smarter. If something is Imba in the game then learn to counter it or play against it.
And as for the one build getting to C level, i find that only using one build to get to C really is inefficient when it comes to actually learning the game and getting good. Sure one BO may be good in the games you play, but pretty soon its really easily predicted and supremely easy to counter. And if you cant change your gameplan ever and only know one BO, how would you ever possibly counter any build or ever actually play effectively. And just remember that it is a game, you can play to win, and you can play to win and have fun doing it.
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United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2009 09:24 Caller wrote:
i agreed up until that point
So every protoss player on ICCup is a one-build-wonder?
Nony plays ICCup therefore Nony is a one-build-wonder?
Don't make assumptions about people. Honestly, I see nothing wrong with a game that makes you play differently and think, god forbid. Better an interesting game than one where you just go through the same mechanical drivel as you've done for 99% of your games. Every one of the points you mentioned except for #10 (if he's lost the game, he should just GG, not mass a ton of cannons), are perfectly legitimate.
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