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On December 21 2008 21:02 ForVengeance wrote:
HAHA
"black/death/metalcore" fan insults other peoples music taste... ah such irony is life.
I read some books written by psychologists who through studies realized that young men who listen to rebellious music do so because they are struggling to find an identity in a world that intimidates them. "Heavy" guitars and drums provide the illusion of strength and confidence, traits that are admired in adult males in society.
But come on boys, its the year 2008, we all know buying a cd with "bad ass" music on it doesnt make you "bad ass" just cause you listen to it, right? Might as well just buy a throne and make yourself king. Or if you are blind, buy yourself some books and theyll magically make you see.
Way to miss the point and look like a complete idiot about it.
Doesn't the loud music blasting annoy your parents? I struggle to imagine how parents can be this lax about their kids. Since you can take them in a fight and you more or less have the moral high ground, I won't hesitate to just forget your reservations and mess with their games/shout back at them and make a huge fuss about it.
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On December 21 2008 21:02 ForVengeance wrote:
HAHA
"black/death/metalcore" fan insults other peoples music taste... ah such irony is life.
I read some books written by psychologists who through studies realized that young men who listen to rebellious music do so because they are struggling to find an identity in a world that intimidates them. "Heavy" guitars and drums provide the illusion of strength and confidence, traits that are admired in adult males in society.
But come on boys, its the year 2008, we all know buying a CD with "bad ass" music on it doesn't make you "bad ass" just cause you listen to it, right? Might as well just buy a throne and make yourself king. Or if you are blind, buy yourself some books and they'll magically make you see.
This really isn't helpful. In any way whatsoever. Whoopty fucking do, you know how to read. Too bad you can't spout that bullshit where it matters. Oh wait, I'm talking like I have the illusion of confidence, aren't I? Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe, just because someone likes a particular style of music, that they aren't necessarily examples of the stereotypes that accompany that genre? It's four-mother-fucking-fifteen in the fucking morning, my brother's anything-but-good techno is giving me a headache. I'm trying to drown it out with switches between Sakamoto Maaya, All That Remains, and this commercial about men with small cocks.
So what if I listen to Sakamoto Maaya. She's a gifted songstress with a melodic voice, multiple stylistic presentations, bilingual discography, and is completely unique amidst the sea of generic-sounding J-pop singers and voice actresses. What? Are you going to tell me that I'm a submissive pussy for listening to someone who's... I don't know more gentle and harmonic in sound?
Or is All That Remains something that totally depicts my true self? This being metalcore, the singer (who's name I forget... LaPonte?) has amazing screechy highs and, surprisingly, guttural lows that I enjoy. Am I some kind of naive hopeful because I like the lyrics? Or am I pretending to be strong like their sound? There's no way whatsoever that I could just like them for the sake of liking them, right?
But come on boys, it's year 2008. We all know that reading a book doesn't make you a fucking genius just because you read it, right? Might as well just live in a library with coke-bottle reading glasses. Or, if you are illiterate, learn Braille and it'll magically make you read.
For someone who professes to be so knowledgeable as yourself, you seem to have problems with basic punctuation, which I fixed for you in that trite little passage you so wished to share (that I'm only responding to because it's so God damn annoying when people say every fucking person who listens to metal has to, beyond a reasonable doubt, be some rebellious fagot.
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[The small/big penis commercial started out looking like a girls gone wild... so no comment.]
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Maaya Sakamoto's freaking awesome, btw.
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Belgium9942 Posts
On December 21 2008 21:02 ForVengeance wrote:
But come on boys, its the year 2008, we all know buying a cd with "bad ass" music on it doesnt make you "bad ass" just cause you listen to it, right? Might as well just buy a throne and make yourself king. Or if you are blind, buy yourself some books and theyll magically make you see.
You think they know that? They play a game where a fucking scroll can give you strength..
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On December 21 2008 21:30 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2008 21:02 ForVengeance wrote:
HAHA
"black/death/metalcore" fan insults other peoples music taste... ah such irony is life.
I read some books written by psychologists who through studies realized that young men who listen to rebellious music do so because they are struggling to find an identity in a world that intimidates them. "Heavy" guitars and drums provide the illusion of strength and confidence, traits that are admired in adult males in society.
But come on boys, its the year 2008, we all know buying a cd with "bad ass" music on it doesnt make you "bad ass" just cause you listen to it, right? Might as well just buy a throne and make yourself king. Or if you are blind, buy yourself some books and theyll magically make you see.
Way to miss the point and look like a complete idiot about it. Doesn't the loud music blasting annoy your parents? I struggle to imagine how parents can be this lax about their kids. Since you can take them in a fight and you more or less have the moral high ground, I won't hesitate to just forget your reservations and mess with their games/shout back at them and make a huge fuss about it.
You'd think so. It's on right now giving my left ear drum a reason to commit suicide. I literally just walked in there to turn it down, and less than five minutes later it's back up to such a point where that annoying bass is throbbing in my head. At first, they (my parents) had the balls to at least regulate how loud it got at night, but now, it's only my who's doing it by walking in at some deathly morning hour for the sake of not going deaf.
Honestly, I would love to, LOVE to break faces. The only problems here are that a) those two would make me go overboard and do something I'd actually regret (ruining my future), b) my parents would side with them no matter how obsequious I've been to them all this time, no matter how inane and immature their arguments, no matter how annoying they actually get. And even if I were to break into part a, such actions are far from being in my character. Contrary to my musical taste (like that idiot stated), I'm not a confrontational person. Never have been. Hell, I almost didn't get to go to my high school Grad Night party last year. One of my friends had to call for me so I could go.
As such, I've resigned myself to something somewhat more passive... physically.
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To someone from earlier (sorry I didn't copy/paste your name): Trying to be rational with those two is like trying to mix water with oil. Damned impossible. Asking them to download things for me... well look at the oil/water thing. I'm very willing to bet that, if I saved either one of their lives in a situation where it was "I save them or they die" (one or both of them), that a day later, things would go back to how they were. Maybe I'd have a chance with the one that woke me up to yell FUCK at me 50 times... maybe. But the little technoviking is already so incorrigible, ungrateful, and spoiled that he would bitch and moan his way into everything he wanted all over again.
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Somehow, I can say all this stuff to a bunch of anonymous people, but not to the people I should be saying it to. Actually... no... I take that back. I've fucking TRIED to reason to my parents that WoW (and that technoshit) are detrimental to their health and academic well-being. Their deal with my brothers was that they'd pay the subscription costs if they maintained C's-or-higher on their report cards Well, as far as I know, one has four Fs incoming, and the other... well I kind of just assume he's not doing so well. I don't think I've actually seen them doing homework all semester.
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So reason fails, and you eliminate any form of violence. That really leaves sabotaging the games somehow or shouting back without actually being violent (doesn't sound like it'll work according to your description though). I would really advocate good long talks with the parent in most such cases but it does sound like your parents are not particularly reasonable on this front.
What I mean by shouting back...hmm say the yelling one comes in again and tells you to turn off the torrent or he'll break your laptop or something...try not complying? They basically think they can boss you around because you aren't the confrontational type, so if you suddenly starting raging at them maybe they'll shape up a little. If he does try to do something to your ware, you have the perfect reason (in addition to your extremely established moral highground) to retaliate.
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You should try having a serious talk with your parents. Even if you somehow killed WoW they could just find something else to get hooked on. Your parents need to stop being so useless and sort their kids out.
Well I say that, but the case with my siblings was quite different.They were addicted to a mmorpg once, my dad would shout at them if they spent an unreasonable amount of time playing it. But he's not always home and my mum spoils everyone too much so they still played far too much. Since they weren't slipping academically (school is too easy at their age anyway) she didn't really do anything about it.
Eventually the game was buggered up by its own developers. They updated their shitty invasive anti-hack which caused the game to stop working on our computers. Since me and my dad are the only ones who are good with computer stuff there was no one to fix it and they had to stop playing.
So with their huge time-sink gone they just had to go do homework, go outdoors, play their musical instruments more, etc. Basically removing the game(-addiction) improved their lives.
It's not good to spend an excessive amount of time on anything, but mmorpgs encourage binge gaming the most so if they ever get hooked again I'll be willing to kill their habit in some way or another.
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On December 21 2008 21:47 xxsaznpride wrote:
Their deal with my brothers was that they'd pay the subscription costs if they maintained C's-or-higher on their report cards Well, as far as I know, one has four Fs incoming, and the other... well I kind of just assume he's not doing so well. I don't think I've actually seen them doing homework all semester.
If this is the case, they should get a report card / update during christmas, right? All you need to do in that case, is to suck it up for a few more days untill the results are in, and your problems should be solved, depending on wether or not your parents are up to their word.
If not, keylogging should at least slow them down a bit. Just get onto their computers whenever they're not home, and google 'wow keylogger'. Something should show up that'd infect the comp sooner or later. Alternatively, google 'wow gold sales' and see if there's anything downloadable on those sites.
If not, tell them that only bottomfeeding newbs do Arenas outside primetime. Tell them to stick to leeching battlegrounds, because they're obviously not qualified for Arena gear if they have to abuse the system by doing their Arena games at the time they avoid competition. >.>
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I really don't think you should blame this on wow.
If things are as you say, they sound like complete douchebags, if someone was to behave like that in our house, or in any of my friends, they would get their asses kicked.
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Dude I feel for you but man.. WoW addictions are really hard to break though. You're probably better off getting your own internet maybe?
Well maybe that's not really an option to you if you're kinda tight on cash but oh well. I guess sometimes we gotta learn to live with assholes.
But I think that for them to kill the WoW desire in them is for them to make that decision.
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On December 21 2008 22:14 onnings wrote:
If not, tell them that only bottomfeeding newbs do Arenas outside primetime. Tell them to stick to leeching battlegrounds, because they're obviously not qualified for Arena gear if they have to abuse the system by doing their Arena games at the time they avoid competition. >.>
One of them, the laptop-breaker, is still playing WoW RIGHT NOW. It's 5:30am here... Well, you might be wondering why I'm awake, but that's just because in the first 3 days of my winter break, I already fucked up my sleep schedule. Anyway, the one playing right now, last I remember, topped in Zangermarsh arena at 1750-1800 range. Whenever I talk to him about it... he's always bitching about not going higher because his teammates (2v2, 3v3, 5v5) always suck. And I kid you not about this, either. He literally has not said a single bad thing about himself playing WoW AT ALL... no matter how many times I've approached him to watch Arena... a) it's not really exciting, b) if he dies, he has some bullshit excuse like "WHERE'S THE HEAL" when even I could tell the healer was dealing with someone else or lagspiking to high heaven.
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Serious talk with my parents? HAH!! I scoff at the thought of being reasonable with those two. A long, long time ago, in a galaxy (primary school) far away, there was a damn school project. To build a map of the Mexican-Californian missions. I didn't do this project because I straight up didn't feel like it, lied about it to my parents when they found out there was a project (lulz I said it was extra credit and they went with it without questioning me further... hell my mom only asked once at all), and thusly failed 4th Grade History. What happened? I got grounded for a month. That's a really big thing, being grounded for a month, especially in a time where Pokemon, Zelda OoT, and other such things were insanely popular. Anyway, I was banned from watching TV, playing on our N64, using our computer (not that we had anything to do on there at the time... Neopets didn't start 'til a few years later), and had to do nothing but read... well anything punishment-worthy, and who the hell likes reading in the fourth grade?
To this day, I have no idea as to whether I was abiding by the set punishment or if my parents were actually maintaining said punishment, but for a whole month I bore with it. I stuck it out like a good little bitch and indulged myself in games after. Later, my brothers (both of them) faced a similar punishment. I don't actually remember WHY it was that they were punished, but they were reprimanded with electronic exile (I just wanted to use that because it sounded cool). I think that, by this time, we had started playing RuneScape, which I'm sure everyone has heard of at least once. I was watching TV one day with my parents while across the room those two hellions were playing RuneScape (or something I'm sure they weren't supposed to be doing). I whisper to my mom sitting on the couch, "aren't they supposed to not be playing because they're grounded?" I wasn't asking so much because they were grounded, but more because I wanted them spanked for it (we were spank-kids... best way to raise a kid is with a belt, after all). What does my mom say? Guess. Well... because I'm so TOTALLY SURE that you're stumped, she said very casually and with a regular indoor voice, "Oh, well you have to be lenient." That's the gist of it. Leniency? Where the fuck was my leniency, you hypocritical bitch?
In any case, with this and how my parents have been treating the three of us the last few months (which I won't bother to go into because it'd just be a lot more bitching and moaning), I'm sure - positively, absolutely sure - that, even if I sat them down and had a long heart-to-heart conversation with them about all this, that it would start out with them acquiescing to my request, followed by those two somehow nulling out any possible united front my parents built based on our srs bizniz discussion, those two going back to how things were for them before, my parents following up this behavior by drowning themselves even FURTHER in their appeasement policies (anyone remember how "appeased" Hitler was before he started raping face?), and me drowning in a shithole even deeper than the one I had to live with prior to any deep action.
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As I type in this thread, I realize more and more two things. The first is how truly fucked up a person I am (there's more than just this bullshit sprinkled atop everything). Any and every person I know can name me as their weirdest acquaintance (not funny weird like I'd hope, but straight up weird weird). A few already do. The second is how much I don't fit in this family. My mom and dad are both college graduates (dad from U. of the Philippines, mom from some Flip college and again from an American CC, I believe). My brothers are both destined-to-fail douchebags who seem to think that they can make a way for themselves in college despite (what appear to be) irreparable academic and social habits. Based on my observations... 1) they work one minute for every hour playing WoW (exaggerated, but, well...); 2) the technofag has no friends. I've actually befriended old friends of his who have explicitly testified as to how much of a total bitch he was. These same friends told me that the friends he hangs out with now have nothing but bad things to say about him whenever he comes into conversation... no offense to the rest of you, but maybe this is why he's a technofag now; 3) they both act differently in front of their peers (not gonna bother with details here).
Where am I in all this? I'm an apathetic, self-degrading, inferiority-complex-toting, unmotivatable (why isn't this a word?) college freshman who only actually studied during his chem finals not for his own sake, but because other people told him he had to buckle down. I haven't given a rat's horse-penetrated ass about school in God knows how long. My parents used to say I was smart, that they had "big plans" for me. Yeah, my ass any of that's going through. Any money you have for big plans for me is being funneled into those assholes' WoW subscriptions anyway. And even if it weren't, they never started a fucking college fund for me anyway.
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Well, I admit that WoW MAY not be the primary cause for this, but those two are so egocentric that it's probably infected the game and become a medium for them to bitch the world into what they want. And as for killing their own addiction... I'd say that comparable to this would be an intense alcohol addiction, a downward spiral leaving loved ones in their wake. Though not remotely as severe because of what's being... consumed, in either case, an intervention would be in order wouldn't it?
edit: in an attempt to drive this massive bitch-fest of a post back on topic... solutions thus far
1) Keylogging -> remote access to rape their items
2) Serious talk with parents about addiction (riiiiiiiiiiight)
3) Kill them and do an AMAZING job cleaning up (I don't have the supplies, so this'd be impossible =\)
4) Keylogging -> temp ban via real-life-item-trading spam
5) Maaya Sakamoto is indeed, insanely amazing. She's a solution, dammit!!
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Wait, if you said they're failing and your parents will stop paying for subscription can't you just wait?
And are you sure they won't retaliate if you do something to their life game.
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MrHoon
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I played WoW since beta, vanilla then to BC, then I quit, then I came back, then I quit, then I came back for a week then I quit. You know what allowed me to quit the game?
Blizzard
Your only hope is that the wow developers will make another stupid decision dumbing down the game even more until you feel like you have been robbed from what you actually liked, therefore quiting.
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Wow sounds like you have it really tough. Whatever happened to just beating your little brother up when ever he angered you...
Shit I used to do it all the time, he was too scared to tell on me too.
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Netherlands19124 Posts
All you WoW haters are so pathetic, and I don't even play the game.
Bunch of 10 year olds, huk. If someone would do something to my chars or account if I'd play it it I would seriously fuck you up with something you cared about alot as payback. I mean seriously, keep to your own shit or sort it out in a normal adult way or distance yourself from it if it's bothering you so much. If people don't want to be helped, you can't do anything about it.
I live with a housemate who's been insanely addicted to WoW for 4 years now orso and threw away his whole life and university education and future for it. We tried pretty much everything to get him off it, even notifying his parents and have forced counseling for him. Just nothing works. If people are not ready and willing to help themselves, you won't get it done. That I can pretty much guarantee.
Now keep your hands on your own shit plz.
Holy crap you WoW haters are as pathetic where the topic is concerned as the players themselves.
Grow up.
The WoW addiction is obviously the result and way they express some other emotional/mental default or inner struggle. Everyone I know kicked the habit when they got work/study/girlfriend/something that mattered or was interesting to do or they healthily combined their interests without expense at their socially relevant activities. Everyone except my housemate and he's obviously heavily depressed about other reasons, same goes for another guy I know.
For the people that go all nolife on it it's just a way of escape from responsiblity and the confrontation with reallife issues and their problems. It provides a way of life where they can act however they want without any real responsibilities or having to face their own defaults or fights.
Solve the source problem, not the way it expresses itself.
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Sydney2287 Posts
I think you are tolerating too much. Your brother needs to learn that it's not only him that uses the connection.
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So let me get this straight - you're mad because your brother has a real use for bandwidth while you're trying to illegally obtain software. Grow up, and get your priorities straight.
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you can limit your DL speed while it downloads so you can download 24/7 instead of only while he's asleep, also punch him in the face 5 times, i don't see what you have to fear
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Have them turn on your torrents for you when they are finished for the night. That way you won't have to stay up late waiting for them to finish.
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On December 22 2008 02:47 Vedic wrote:
So let me get this straight - you're mad because your brother has a real use for bandwidth while you're trying to illegally obtain software. Grow up, and get your priorities straight.
You evidently cannot read. That, or you cannot comprehend words that you read. The worst option would be that you are incapable of intelligent thought, but I won't accuse anyone of that lightly.
His brothers believe that they are the only ones who rightly deserve usage of the family bandwidth. His brothers blast loud music at night with no consideration for others. His brothers threaten to ruin their own lives with their addiction, and his brothers threaten to break his laptop if he doesn't comply and give up his usage of bandwidth. I cannot imagine the kind of mind that will identify what you just identified as the main issue.
Nyvone put it strongly, but I'll mostly agree. I suggested the account messing thing with reluctance as well, but I would try as hard as possible to resolve the problem at its causes. I don't really believe your parents are incorrigible, soft hopeless parents as you make them out to be, nor do I really believe your brothers are one hundred percent selfish bastard with zero regard for anything that isn't WoW. You do need something drastic to actually catch their attention, which is why I suggested showing some anger or shouting back yourself, but you should always be seeking to address the cause of the problem.
tl;dr, shout at them, don't do what they tell you to do, and see what they can do about it.
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