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Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
December 19 2008 07:19 GMT
#21
Richard Feynman drew fucking squiggly lines!

Have you ever considered asking professors to be involved in undergraduate research in science fields around your campus? Who knows, maybe deep down you want to be a lab rat.
...jumping into cold water whenever I get the chance.
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 19 2008 08:27 GMT
#22
Don't let an asshole professor ruin your life.

Change your major if you can't take architecture anymore.
Brood War loyalist
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
December 19 2008 08:37 GMT
#23
On December 19 2008 14:41 Lamborsche wrote:
So here I am right now sitting in front of my computer 12+ hours a day, playing iccup on a negative win rate, stalking my high school friends' facebook accounts checking on how well they are doing at their office jobs, med school or taking up masters degree. And yeah. I've already incurred more than 2 weeks of absences so there's no coming back to school for me. I'm so ggéd.


Ok, here are my thoughts. You might find them harsh or rude or whatever. I don't care as long as you read them and you think about them even for 5 minutes.

So a guy humiliated you. Ok, it happens. All the time it does.
When I was in high school I've been humiliated. Because I didn't belong among those people. I was playing pc games with 2-3 guys from my class and all the rest I considered retarded. And they thought the same about me and whenever they could they made fun of me.

When I was in the university (12 semesters master's degree veterinary medicine) I've been humiliated by a professor too. In a class he was saying how the cause of people getting fat was stress. So I stand up and I told him it was food not stress. Cause you know, people in the concentration camps were stressed 24/7 and noone was fat. I asked how it this even possible, professor? It can't be that you're wrong, can it? So he teld me in front of all the people how I am going to have problems passing his exam and how he hates the children of colleagues (my dad is a vet too).

But humiliation's not the problem. Thee problem IMO is the way you react to it. And you react in the most self destructive and negative way. While I react at first with anger then after a while I calm down and I think how to overcome the problem. But not a thought about quitting.

And I do this mostly because of two things. One from a movie, one from a book.

The movie part is from Fight club. Brad Pitt comes t oa guy with a gun and asks what is he doing working at a restaurant when he's been studying veterinary medicine. The guy says studying was too hard. Brad Pitt asks him if it too hard for him, then maybe he prefers to be dead. Guys says no. Brad Pitt then tells him to go and finish his study and always to remember that if he quits he'll be shot in the head and dead. So it's a harsh way to motivate someone but I guess it works. So I always remember this scene when I find I am losing motivation finishing something.

Now the book part, it's far stronger IMO. It's from John Steinbeck's novel Grapes of Wrath. Read it if you haven't. It's amazing!

People in it are forced to move from Oklahoma to California during the Great depression. They are poor, they have almost no food, they struggle all the time. At some point their truck broke down. So they go to find a mechanic. The mechanic is some guy with some disability, I don't remember what exactly and it doesn't matter. But he complains all time how he is all lonely and bad looking and so on. Then Tom starts yelling at him that he is doing nothing with his life, only bitching. Tells him to stop whining, find a life and move on. What I found amazing in this advice is that it came from a man who is literally totally fucked by the circumstances. But he never quit, never thought fuck all I'll just quit everything and sit here and maybe die from depression or whatever.

You know the saying - Quitters never win, winners never quit. You're young, you say you're not bad looking. So my advice is take a rest and then come back to your real life and kick ass.

Otherwise you're a little whining bitch that noone gives a fuck about!
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
December 19 2008 08:52 GMT
#24
Yeah if you really must at least geta Bachelor's.


That opens up a shitton of options for you for your life

And also people finish 4 year college when they are in their 30s or 40s sometimes so being 23 is not bad at all
a
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
December 19 2008 11:03 GMT
#25
rofl did someone jus try to inspire someone with the movie fight club??? hahaha. thats like teaching someone to become a general by watching gladiator rofl.
stop making him read philosophical shit guys, if he is reading through that 1 pager about fight club rofl. hes gotta figure out his options if he doesn't go to college. are u gonna be able to work n support a family w/o college? or are u gonna be a bum. if ur gonna be a bum bust ur fucking ass n forget about the "professor humilating u", ur gonna make more money than him anyway.
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
December 19 2008 11:23 GMT
#26
Some say the taste of revenge is bitter sweet, but I find it to my liking.

FUCKING AVENGE THAT SHIT! RETRIBUTION! GO SCRATCH HIS CAR OR SOMETHING!

You'll feel better afterwards.

Also, some advice for the future, if someone tries to give you bullshit what you gotta do is man up and tell him to go suck donkey schlong or something. The worst thing you can do is take it up the ass, so to say.

You gotta understand that powergaming works in real life. Play the optimal game of life, like SC pros play SC, you gotta play life like a pro, ok?
keNn)
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Philippines297 Posts
December 19 2008 13:05 GMT
#27
On December 19 2008 14:41 Lamborsche wrote:
So here I am right now sitting in front of my computer 12+ hours a day, playing iccup on a negative win rate, stalking my high school friends' facebook accounts checking on how well they are doing at their office jobs, med school or taking up masters degree. And yeah. I've already incurred more than 2 weeks of absences so there's no coming back to school for me. I'm so ggéd.


i can very well relate to your situation. im already 8 yrs in college and i dont mind it.
here is a story why..

when i entered college, I was one year younger with my other classmates, with that in mind i mess around and try to "enjoy" life (it was worth it ) i rarely go to my class and passing 2-4 subject each semester in my 3 years. then i totally stop going to classes while being enrolled ( waste of money i know). and started to drink a lot, play SC and wc3, and hook up with chicks. and i realized that i need to finish college to earn a decent job.

then on 2006 i try to get back on school everything is still the same except that i'm kinda the oldest in my classs now. i used to be shy about it because people will think that i'm too dumb for staying in college that long. at first it was very hard when going to classes since i didn't know anyone and some laugh if they knew that i'm 6th yr already. as time passes it became easy when i get to know some of my new classmates and earn their respect when they know that it was not my stupidity why i fail my subject (it was my laziness).

currently i will be having my internship this January and hopefully graduating in dec09 .
You can still make up in the classes you've miss just give it some more effort and stop spending 12hrs in front of your computer.

You are in the same country as i am. if you want we can hang out and drink some beer, since your playing SC i'm sure your good company he he. good luck and merry Xmas dude
^_^
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 19 2008 13:58 GMT
#28
On December 19 2008 20:23 village_idiot wrote:
Some say the taste of revenge is bitter sweet, but I find it to my liking.


Diablo 2 o_o
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Avius
Profile Joined October 2007
Iraq1796 Posts
December 19 2008 14:24 GMT
#29
On December 19 2008 22:05 keNn) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2008 14:41 Lamborsche wrote:
So here I am right now sitting in front of my computer 12+ hours a day, playing iccup on a negative win rate, stalking my high school friends' facebook accounts checking on how well they are doing at their office jobs, med school or taking up masters degree. And yeah. I've already incurred more than 2 weeks of absences so there's no coming back to school for me. I'm so ggéd.


You are in the same country as i am. if you want we can hang out and drink some beer, since your playing SC i'm sure your good company he he. good luck and merry Xmas dude



There we go. Accept this offer, ASAP! Go out you 2 and have fun.

Wow, TL is such a merry place, I think I'll cry in joy. Look how helpful everyone is.

Also I can really relate to your situation. I'm kinda in the same spot, although I have a lot of reasons why I'm taking so long with my studies and I don't want to elaborate. However, just be your own man, don't give a shit what other people might think etc. Basically do what 15 people before me told you to and try again. Don't give up.

Take care man.
aka. Samael
village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
December 19 2008 14:29 GMT
#30
On December 19 2008 22:58 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2008 20:23 village_idiot wrote:
Some say the taste of revenge is bitter sweet, but I find it to my liking.


Diablo 2 o_o

Yeah, such a nice game.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32149 Posts
December 19 2008 15:41 GMT
#31
Take a semester off. Best thing I ever did. Work FT, and when you realize that you'll make dick compared to what you could with a degree, you'll be itching to go bck

Granted, I'm the oldest in most of my classes, but I'm a semester away form my degree now.
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
December 19 2008 16:36 GMT
#32
On December 20 2008 00:41 Hawk wrote:
Take a semester off. Best thing I ever did. Work FT, and when you realize that you'll make dick compared to what you could with a degree, you'll be itching to go bck

Granted, I'm the oldest in most of my classes, but I'm a semester away form my degree now.

Yes this is a very good idea, nothing makes uni seem reasonable more than a stint of working full time in some crappy job.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
December 19 2008 18:11 GMT
#33
no matter how cliche it is, education is the portal to a happy life. I know because I've been where you are and I know how it is when you don't have the education to do the things you want to do.
Lamborsche
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines46 Posts
December 19 2008 18:43 GMT
#34
Thank you for all the responses and advices guys, I really appreciate it. After a few days I've realized that my actions were just forced by combination of anger, my life-long insecurities and family problem(my parents are considering separation again). Now I'm already missing school, But I cannot go back anymore, I've already incurred about 3 weeks of absences. It won't matter if I go back to my classes because I would still get a "failure due to absences grade" by the end of the semester. My social life is fucked up as well, I haven't went out for quite a while now and never talked or texted my friends, and my poor girlfriend...I forgot I have a girlfriend. I know she was dead worried couple of days ago because of her texts(she knows my personal problems) but I never replied, I was so selfish. Now she's not texting anymore I guess I've already lost her as well.

I've decided to take a break this semester. I'm dropping all my subjects(I'm lucky we're still allowed to drop before January) and hopefully after a few months I'll be a better guy. Or worst, I'll get used to being a bum. If that happens I swear I'll kill myself.

For now, I'm going to spend the next few months as a nerd ZvT, PvT or TvT anyone? PM AirPhilippines on iccup
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 19 2008 21:50 GMT
#35
Fuck that shit, get your act together and at least try..? your hardest
"Rofl i alrdy have 3 weeks of abscences and zomg im gonna fail anyways - useless try is useless?"
ZZZZZ
Fuck that shitty attitude is what got you here in the first place
Have you even tried asking your professors for a second chance; or put any effort into trying to ace their class?(im sure he called your project 6th grade trash for a reason)
Can you honestly say thats the best you can do?
If yes, then sorry , my fault.

3 weeks of absences -that's just an excuse to stop taking the class either way,
What about ur gf? she stopped texting so... you lost her?
Call her and take her out some shit jesus christ

"life long insecurites and family problems" -get over them or be a bum, basically- some people have split up families or probably neither a family altogether there's always something worse.

But ...seriously at least get a job to pay off college(more importantly to realize what a crock of shit you can be without college)? or join the army? -2 years of your life training your mentality ....

-But some people are completely hpapy with minimum wage jobs- but you don't seem to be, yet you act like a person that would.

Hope this serves as a wake up call
otherwise go ahead, shrug this post off as meaningless
I'd be surprised if you even read all the way down here from what i've read
go back to playing SC and throwing your life away?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 19 2008 21:52 GMT
#36
Also, how the hell are you in college for 6 years? Just curious.
someone suggested rich parents?
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 19 2008 22:19 GMT
#37
First thing to do is stop playing starcraft. Second, take a trip around the Philippines to some villages and stuff because the life-in-prison-for-rice-hoarding days are coming back very soon once these 8 - 10 or whatever trillion dollar bailout inflation hits the street.
Do you really want chat rooms?
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
December 19 2008 22:33 GMT
#38
1- suspense ur study

2- go for work for 1 year

3- go back to college and treasure every seconds you spend
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
December 19 2008 22:56 GMT
#39
Don't be so self-conscious!

I'm the same height as you. I got my 4-year degree at age 26. And I kick ass! =D

Everybody's situation is different; don't judge yourself based on what you perceive others achieving because you never know the whole story.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
Lamborsche
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines46 Posts
December 20 2008 03:11 GMT
#40
On December 20 2008 06:52 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Also, how the hell are you in college for 6 years? Just curious.
someone suggested rich parents?

Yes I can say that I came from a fairly well off family, both of my parents are physicians. My monthly allowance is at least twice the average of my classmates, I got my own condo unit, I drive a European car to school, got nice computers, wear entry level Swiss watches. I know these are near luxury even in Western standards for a student. But I lack motivation. I never got moral support from my parents. I hate them because I feel like they are more childish than I am.I don't even know if they care for me, it doesn't matter because they give me money anyway. I'm also blaming them why I'm acting this way. I feel that there's really no reason improve myself. No reason to fight for.
On December 20 2008 06:50 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Fuck that shit, get your act together and at least try..? your hardest
"Rofl i alrdy have 3 weeks of abscences and zomg im gonna fail anyways - useless try is useless?"
ZZZZZ
Fuck that shitty attitude is what got you here in the first place
Have you even tried asking your professors for a second chance; or put any effort into trying to ace their class?(im sure he called your project 6th grade trash for a reason)
Can you honestly say thats the best you can do?
If yes, then sorry , my fault.

3 weeks of absences -that's just an excuse to stop taking the class either way,
What about ur gf? she stopped texting so... you lost her?
Call her and take her out some shit jesus christ

"life long insecurites and family problems" -get over them or be a bum, basically- some people have split up families or probably neither a family altogether there's always something worse.

But ...seriously at least get a job to pay off college(more importantly to realize what a crock of shit you can be without college)? or join the army? -2 years of your life training your mentality ....

-But some people are completely hpapy with minimum wage jobs- but you don't seem to be, yet you act like a person that would.

Hope this serves as a wake up call
otherwise go ahead, shrug this post off as meaningless
I'd be surprised if you even read all the way down here from what i've read
go back to playing SC and throwing your life away?


I want to, but it's impossible now. Missing even one meeting in our Design class can be disastrous, because we are required to submit a lot of esquisses of our projects each meeting.Yes you were right that I wasn't doing my projects/plates to the best of my ability. But the thing is I've already been losing my interest in my studies even before that humiliation incident happened... I just feel so devastated right now, I really can't go back to my studies. I've already told you guys the reasons. My mother is dating another guy, some of my professors are assholes, no friends at school etc etc. I just can't put my mind over my emotions at this time, I'm overwhelmed by problems. I'm so confused and going through a lot of pain.

You were right about so many things, I'm an asshole, I'm not being responsible for my emotions and immature for my age. For now I just need a break. I need a time to heal, a time to console myself and enjoy the things I like to do even just for a while.

As for my girlfriend, we are kind of alright right now. She told me she got angry because I wasn't telling her anything. She got shocked when I told her I'm dropping this semester but I told her it's okay because now I can spend more time with her.
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