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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 19:49:36
December 16 2008 19:36 GMT
#1
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.

Now let’s say you take Boxer.
Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.

What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.

What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?
Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?
Bisu? Whenever you kill 6 overlords a dt spawns at a random enemy base?

July? Zerglings and Hydra now morph in 3’s and 2’s, respectively ^^
Jaedong? Mutalisks get extra damage and armor?
Savior? Plague is already researched and plague and swarm are much cheaper, zerg units overall are stronger?

I dunno, I’m bad at making ums. But somebody should do this.

edit: oh you could also put in dissadvantages too, like

stork: cannot research goon range
firebathero: the player playing against fbh, if protoss, gets free troops



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MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
December 16 2008 19:41 GMT
#2
On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.

Sounds like Oov? Maybe Flash could start you out with an extra (14)CC
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
December 16 2008 19:42 GMT
#3
that seems cool... but boxers marines should get an extra 25% hp boost or something. and jaedongs scourge deals 500dmg.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
December 16 2008 19:53 GMT
#4
Sounds like Age of Empires.
^-^
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 16 2008 19:58 GMT
#5
flash starts iwth a +1 attack upgrade in TvP
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 20:03 GMT
#6
On December 17 2008 04:53 Equinox_kr wrote:
Sounds like Age of Empires.

not quite there are also trigger based ones like the dropships
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rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
December 16 2008 20:03 GMT
#7
Savior: cannot upgrade adrenal glands, maximum of 12 lair tech units

Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 20:05 GMT
#8
Jaedong: an enemy facing him gets +5 damage and +5 armor to bcs.
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ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
December 16 2008 20:08 GMT
#9
would be almost impossible to balance, but if someone pulled it off would be cool.
@ostojiy
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
December 16 2008 20:20 GMT
#10
On December 17 2008 05:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
would be almost impossible to balance, but if someone pulled it off would be cool.


who cares about balance
these progamers are all imbalanced
And all is illuminated.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
December 16 2008 20:23 GMT
#11
this is basically bunker wars

where some units are better than the others -__-
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 20:26 GMT
#12
On December 17 2008 05:23 paper wrote:
this is basically bunker wars

where some units are better than the others -__-


nonono its based off of different progamers
its melee
some units are better than others
other times triggers occur like dropship attacks
or dt spawns in ur expos
or massive armies spawning in your base
or multiple units being spawned at the same time
etc etc etc

hell even random neutral plagues/storms/irradiates on the enemy army by "neutral" forces.
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imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 20:28:49
December 16 2008 20:27 GMT
#13
I played a UMS map like this where you choose a progamer and each progamer has his own specific signature unit. So it's not really an advantage, but you are "restricted" to making only that certain unit. you start off with a shitload of workers to get the game going and also remove early game balance.

For example, July, known for his mutas could only make mutalisks and zerglings,
Reach I think, could only make zealots and high templars.
Boxer of course limited to m&m and dropship play
oov limited to tanks and vultures


etc etc.

it was played as a 2 team game so 4 "progamers" on each side. I remember playing it with friends 3v3, a couple years back, and it was actually pretty fun. I dont remember any specific imbalances, although I did feel oov was the strongest out of all -___-;



edit:~

back on point, yes this would be a good idea! if someone could make it, it'd be great fun.

although, I'd think it'd be too hard to place all these triggers and stuff, so maybe making a newer version of the map i described? but with like new-age pro gamers!
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 20:33 GMT
#14
On December 17 2008 05:27 imperfect wrote:
I played a UMS map like this where you choose a progamer and each progamer has his own specific signature unit. So it's not really an advantage, but you are "restricted" to making only that certain unit. you start off with a shitload of workers to get the game going and also remove early game balance.

For example, July, known for his mutas could only make mutalisks and zerglings,
Reach I think, could only make zealots and high templars.
Boxer of course limited to m&m and dropship play
oov limited to tanks and vultures


etc etc.

it was played as a 2 team game so 4 "progamers" on each side. I remember playing it with friends 3v3, a couple years back, and it was actually pretty fun. I dont remember any specific imbalances, although I did feel oov was the strongest out of all -___-;



edit:~

back on point, yes this would be a good idea! if someone could make it, it'd be great fun.

although, I'd think it'd be too hard to place all these triggers and stuff, so maybe making a newer version of the map i described? but with like new-age pro gamers!


think of it like melee diplo lolol
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Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
December 16 2008 20:34 GMT
#15
On December 17 2008 05:03 Anihc wrote:
Savior: cannot upgrade adrenal glands, maximum of 12 lair tech units



Stork: Cannot upgrade goon range, and your units get ridiculously stronger, albeit you still get second (i.e. lose).
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
December 16 2008 20:41 GMT
#16
On December 17 2008 04:41 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.

Sounds like Oov? Maybe Flash could start you out with an extra (14)CC

+1

July: You have to five pool every game.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 20:42 GMT
#17
On December 17 2008 05:41 capek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:41 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.

Sounds like Oov? Maybe Flash could start you out with an extra (14)CC

+1

July: You have to five pool every game.


this is kind of unfair lol

the 14cc idea is good though
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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 20:52:29
December 16 2008 20:50 GMT
#18
FBH: You're blessed with awesome dancing skills and everytime your opponent picks a toss player you lose by default.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 16 2008 20:52 GMT
#19
On December 17 2008 05:27 imperfect wrote:
although I did feel oov was the strongest out of all -___-;


Fits the reality perfectly!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24767 Posts
December 16 2008 21:37 GMT
#20
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 00:40:59
December 16 2008 21:37 GMT
#21
I was actually thinking about this ums map idea for the longest time now... but of course I never got around to even starting it.

It's melee, but at certain parts there are triggers that reminisce of diplo/civilization maps. Let me explain:

1) At the beginning of the game, you are given many choices of progamer identities to take on. Liken this to diplo/civ where you can choose your country.

2) Each progamer has benefits and disadvantages. The purpose of the disadvantages is not necessarily to balance the map (cause that'd be impossible) but rather just keep it from a one sided imba rape. The point of the map is to parody progamers playstyles and abilities, not for competitive play.

Advantages/Disadvantages:
+ Show Spoiler +

Advantages/Disadvantages would include things like (but not restricted to):
Boxer:
-While number of CC==1: main base has double minerals (ie. 3000 per patch instead of 1500)
-marines have added health (ie. +10hp) and stim medics have optical flare
-scvs heal to full hp every 60 seconds
-50% refund for every valkyrie built
-wraith cloak, lockdown, emp, goliath range already researched
-Hero Unit: double hp Dropship that comes with Ghost with double hp and starts with 250/250 energy + 200/200 refund for every nuke silo built. Gained every certain # of kills (ie. 50 kills)

NaDa:
-upon building your first vulture, an extra vulture is given
-upon building # of factories (ie. 5 or 6), 12 vultures and 12 tanks will spawn for free
-while vulture count is less than half of tank count, 2 vultures will spawn every 30 seconds.
-vultures have 100 hp and 1 base armour
-Hero Unit: double hp Dropship that comes with 4 vultures

sAviOr:
-Lair is replaced by Hive after a set amount of time (ie. 3 minutes after lair is made it turns into a hive)
-cannot research adrenal glands
-defilers come with consume and plague researched
-if your opponent brings any 2nd-tiered unit to your ramp/choke before a set time (ie. 5-7 minutes), 6 lurkers and 12 zerglings will spawn to defend.
-Hero Unit: Defiler with unlimited energy, heals every so often so that a single irradiate alone cannot kill it.

July:
-cannot make Hive until a set time
-cannot make hydralisks or lurkers until a set time
- +1 zergling for every 2 zerglings hatched (after a set time, otherwise 4 pool imba)
-if player commands 5 or more expansion bases with utralisk cavern: spawn 120 supply worth of late game units and mass attack all units (except drones) to enemy main. (sauron zerg)
Hero Unit: a single mutalisk that has the health and damage of 9 mutalisks.

Bisu:
-refund 50% of minerals/gas if bisu build is used
-if opponent is zerg, start with 0 minerals +1 probe (as if the probe was already built)
-storm is researched, reaver damage+capacity is researched, shuttle speed is researched, arbiter stasis and recall are researched
-corsairs spawn with 150 energy
Hero Unit: Dark Templar with 40 health 40 shields, but 160 damage

iloveoov:
-upon creating your 3rd cc, +2000 minerals and +1000 gas
-upon creating set # factories (12-16), spawn 100 supply worth of vult/tank/gol and mass attack into enemy base
-for every 3 tanks built, add one tank.
-for every 5 vultures built, add two vultures.
-if resources go over set amount (ie. 1500 minerals 1000 gas) automatically spend it on tanks that spawn at your factories.
-yamato researched, siege researched
Hero Unit: Battlecruiser - 33% refund and comes with full energy

Flash, Stork, Jaedong, Sea, etc. etc.: you guys already wrote stuff, see above



3) There are a lot of things that I don't know how to trigger. Things like upgrades. You can't really trigger attack/defense upgrades automatically to happen during the game.

4) If certain "scenarios" happen in the game, a pimpest play could be triggered. Such pimpest plays would include:
+ Show Spoiler +

- if boxer vs ra (or any protoss) has a nuke+ghost+dropship+science vessel -> he would automatically have all the tools to successfully emp nuke
- if opponent has so many observers + carriers and boxer has so many medics + wraiths, computer medics will spawn and blind all the opponents observers
- if savior vs TT mu, and TT goes all-in to take out savior, savior cannot be eliminated. for TT game must be won via standard play.
- if july vs rock mu, and july sauron zergs, then computers will take over for both players and you'll get to watch an epic cinematic of mass insane triggered battles with lots and lots of blood.
- etc. etc.
- if bisu vs savior mu, savior loses a set # of overlords every set amount of time after a set # of minutes into the game.
- if boxer vs yellow mu, and boxer bunker rushes, the bunker is toggled invincible
- boxer vs savior mu, if savior mutalisks count reaches over 16, boxer's goliaths will toggle invincible until there are less than 16 mutalisks.

and for fun:
- whenever bisu builds a pylon, a caption appears that says "Klazart: i think he's doing the bisu build"
- if plague hits more than 10 units, a caption will appear that says "PLAGUUUUUUU"
- if a reaver kills more than 5 dragoons, caption: "reeba reeba reeba reeba"


5) asdfjkalsdfjkalsdfjlk

ah i had so many more but i can't recall them all. keep in mind this was around late 2005/early2006-ish and i haven't really been keeping up with all the new guys.
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 16 2008 21:38 GMT
#22
this sounds kind of fun you should make it
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
December 16 2008 21:46 GMT
#23
i will make it if you tell me what bonuses you want for each progamer and which map you want it to be based on
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 21:46 GMT
#24
On December 17 2008 06:37 micronesia wrote:
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.


epic win

Whenever a non-Korean plays against Sea, they must DT rush.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24767 Posts
December 16 2008 21:48 GMT
#25
Haha good idea.

And when someone plays as FireBatHero, the opponent spawns pylon hearts.
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keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
December 16 2008 21:48 GMT
#26
The Rock: Computer sends all your units with a simple A-move towards enemy base.
Graphics
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
December 16 2008 21:50 GMT
#27
On December 17 2008 06:48 micronesia wrote:
Haha good idea.

And when someone plays as FireBatHero, the opponent spawns pylon hearts.

and you spawn BCs
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
December 16 2008 22:04 GMT
#28
EMP + nuke at a random expo every 10 minutes when playing Emperor?
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 16 2008 22:09 GMT
#29
On December 17 2008 05:27 imperfect wrote:
I played a UMS map like this where you choose a progamer and each progamer has his own specific signature unit. So it's not really an advantage, but you are "restricted" to making only that certain unit. you start off with a shitload of workers to get the game going and also remove early game balance.

For example, July, known for his mutas could only make mutalisks and zerglings,
Reach I think, could only make zealots and high templars.
Boxer of course limited to m&m and dropship play
oov limited to tanks and vultures


etc etc.

it was played as a 2 team game so 4 "progamers" on each side. I remember playing it with friends 3v3, a couple years back, and it was actually pretty fun. I dont remember any specific imbalances, although I did feel oov was the strongest out of all -___-;



edit:~

back on point, yes this would be a good idea! if someone could make it, it'd be great fun.

although, I'd think it'd be too hard to place all these triggers and stuff, so maybe making a newer version of the map i described? but with like new-age pro gamers!



This clearly sounds made up, if it was balanced than there would be no air because air > tanks and vultures, (Yet you say oov is stongest.... hmm...?)
Hi.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 16 2008 22:09 GMT
#30
On December 17 2008 06:37 micronesia wrote:
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.



Sea is a terran
Hi.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 16 2008 22:16 GMT
#31
On December 17 2008 07:09 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 06:37 micronesia wrote:
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.



Sea is a terran

he was referring to sea's tl attack
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
December 16 2008 22:37 GMT
#32
Heh I remember when I made UMSs with my brother back in like 2002. Then we would play them together. Those were the good old days...
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 16 2008 22:37 GMT
#33
On December 17 2008 07:16 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 07:09 d(O.o)a wrote:
On December 17 2008 06:37 micronesia wrote:
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.



Sea is a terran

he was referring to sea's tl attack


I know that but Sea is a terran so in the game he would be terran not protoss thus he can not get shuttles.
Hi.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24767 Posts
December 16 2008 23:04 GMT
#34
On December 17 2008 07:37 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 07:16 Caller wrote:
On December 17 2008 07:09 d(O.o)a wrote:
On December 17 2008 06:37 micronesia wrote:
Sea gets 2 reavers in every shuttle as soon as it's built.



Sea is a terran

he was referring to sea's tl attack


I know that but Sea is a terran so in the game he would be terran not protoss thus he can not get shuttles.

Yes if Sea had not done shuttles+reavers in pvp vs ME then it would not have made much sense.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-16 23:12:20
December 16 2008 23:10 GMT
#35
On December 17 2008 07:09 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 05:27 imperfect wrote:
I played a UMS map like this where you choose a progamer and each progamer has his own specific signature unit. So it's not really an advantage, but you are "restricted" to making only that certain unit. you start off with a shitload of workers to get the game going and also remove early game balance.

For example, July, known for his mutas could only make mutalisks and zerglings,
Reach I think, could only make zealots and high templars.
Boxer of course limited to m&m and dropship play
oov limited to tanks and vultures


etc etc.

it was played as a 2 team game so 4 "progamers" on each side. I remember playing it with friends 3v3, a couple years back, and it was actually pretty fun. I dont remember any specific imbalances, although I did feel oov was the strongest out of all -___-;



edit:~

back on point, yes this would be a good idea! if someone could make it, it'd be great fun.

although, I'd think it'd be too hard to place all these triggers and stuff, so maybe making a newer version of the map i described? but with like new-age pro gamers!



This clearly sounds made up, if it was balanced than there would be no air because air > tanks and vultures, (Yet you say oov is stongest.... hmm...?)


uhm ok, this isn't a 1v1. it's a 3v3. so if your team has anti air to deflect for example July's mutalisks, why would it be so bad? and uh, siege tanks own.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
December 16 2008 23:20 GMT
#36
On December 17 2008 05:08 ThE_OsToJiY wrote:
would be almost impossible to balance, but if someone pulled it off would be cool.


haha I was just about to say that as well. Balancing this would be such a pain in the ass.
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
December 16 2008 23:33 GMT
#37
i was bored so i looked through my map files and i found the map i was talking about. anyone care to give it a try this weekend? ^.-v
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
December 16 2008 23:54 GMT
#38
On December 17 2008 05:03 Anihc wrote:
Savior: cannot upgrade adrenal glands, maximum of 12 lair tech units


old savior you fucking loose GG

Oh you thought you won here is 10 more swarms with a shit load of lurkers
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
December 17 2008 00:34 GMT
#39
You would have to get an upgrade for savior. You spawn with "Current sAviOr"...but after hive tech, you can upgrade "Bonjwa sAviOr"...which unlocks adrenal glands, and you get free defilers, etc.
Hello
closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 00:50:10
December 17 2008 00:36 GMT
#40
You guys remind me of Lastshadow, he had the macro of Nada...

On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.


Nada vs Nada - the better player still wins.
Nada vs Boxer would probably be imbalanced; Boxer would probably get additional damage, or additional hp and would simply win by camping, or would be get outmacroed by Nada quickly making the game a timing contest, not a strategy game.


Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.


I think it wont work vs protoss, because they have cannons at their minerals, and does not work vs zerg, who would put lurkers there. Also, the zerg and protoss would still need some form of compensation, because the average Joe cannot stop few drops. If you had one drop every few minutes, it could still be too much even for better players.
Technically this could work, but would probably make the game really irritating for the opponents.


What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.


Camp for 10 minutes to get a free army?


What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?


Basically anti-boxer?

Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?


Perhaps this could work in some way - each "fraction" would get different stats, but people would start picking things e.g. "better zealots vs zerg" etc.

As for the rest, they are incredibly imbalanced.
In Red Alert 2 different fractions would get different special units, which were entirely new, but in the long run everyone played the same fractions

In addtion, BW is an old game, so you actually cant edit the stats of the units. The way to bypass it, is to switch every newly produced unit to the hero unit, but this brings many problems - e.g. heroes do not need any supplies as far as I remember (basically marines are turned into raynors, you edit the stats of raynors).
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 17 2008 01:25 GMT
#41
On December 17 2008 09:36 closed wrote:
You guys remind me of Lastshadow, he had the macro of Nada...

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.


Nada vs Nada - the better player still wins.
Nada vs Boxer would probably be imbalanced; Boxer would probably get additional damage, or additional hp and would simply win by camping, or would be get outmacroed by Nada quickly making the game a timing contest, not a strategy game.

Show nested quote +

Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.


I think it wont work vs protoss, because they have cannons at their minerals, and does not work vs zerg, who would put lurkers there. Also, the zerg and protoss would still need some form of compensation, because the average Joe cannot stop few drops. If you had one drop every few minutes, it could still be too much even for better players.
Technically this could work, but would probably make the game really irritating for the opponents.

Show nested quote +

What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.


Camp for 10 minutes to get a free army?

Show nested quote +

What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?


Basically anti-boxer?

Show nested quote +
Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?


Perhaps this could work in some way - each "fraction" would get different stats, but people would start picking things e.g. "better zealots vs zerg" etc.

As for the rest, they are incredibly imbalanced.
In Red Alert 2 different fractions would get different special units, which were entirely new, but in the long run everyone played the same fractions

In addtion, BW is an old game, so you actually cant edit the stats of the units. The way to bypass it, is to switch every newly produced unit to the hero unit, but this brings many problems - e.g. heroes do not need any supplies as far as I remember (basically marines are turned into raynors, you edit the stats of raynors).


this game is supposed to be hilariously imba sometimes lol

and keep in mind that the other player will have something imba to have too. sure you can camp and get a huge army for 10 mins, but the other player, if theyre playing savior for instance, might have defilers by then and just plague the fuck out of everything. lol.

and you can edit the stats of the units. see diplomacy, where they have 2 kinds of marine. The normal marine, and the "special" marine. the normal marine has 75 hp and 10 damage. not 40 hp and 6 damage.

O.O
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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
December 17 2008 02:10 GMT
#42
yea obviously this would not be competative..
just a chance to pretend like you're your fav progamer
and have fun
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 17 2008 02:21 GMT
#43
On December 17 2008 10:25 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 09:36 closed wrote:
You guys remind me of Lastshadow, he had the macro of Nada...

On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.


Nada vs Nada - the better player still wins.
Nada vs Boxer would probably be imbalanced; Boxer would probably get additional damage, or additional hp and would simply win by camping, or would be get outmacroed by Nada quickly making the game a timing contest, not a strategy game.


Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.


I think it wont work vs protoss, because they have cannons at their minerals, and does not work vs zerg, who would put lurkers there. Also, the zerg and protoss would still need some form of compensation, because the average Joe cannot stop few drops. If you had one drop every few minutes, it could still be too much even for better players.
Technically this could work, but would probably make the game really irritating for the opponents.


What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.


Camp for 10 minutes to get a free army?


What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?


Basically anti-boxer?

Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?


Perhaps this could work in some way - each "fraction" would get different stats, but people would start picking things e.g. "better zealots vs zerg" etc.

As for the rest, they are incredibly imbalanced.
In Red Alert 2 different fractions would get different special units, which were entirely new, but in the long run everyone played the same fractions

In addtion, BW is an old game, so you actually cant edit the stats of the units. The way to bypass it, is to switch every newly produced unit to the hero unit, but this brings many problems - e.g. heroes do not need any supplies as far as I remember (basically marines are turned into raynors, you edit the stats of raynors).


this game is supposed to be hilariously imba sometimes lol

and keep in mind that the other player will have something imba to have too. sure you can camp and get a huge army for 10 mins, but the other player, if theyre playing savior for instance, might have defilers by then and just plague the fuck out of everything. lol.

and you can edit the stats of the units. see diplomacy, where they have 2 kinds of marine. The normal marine, and the "special" marine. the normal marine has 75 hp and 10 damage. not 40 hp and 6 damage.

O.O


You can't change the stats of units (Hint: The special marine is jim raynor)
Hi.
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
December 17 2008 02:26 GMT
#44
On December 17 2008 11:21 d(O.o)a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 10:25 Caller wrote:
On December 17 2008 09:36 closed wrote:
You guys remind me of Lastshadow, he had the macro of Nada...

On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.


Nada vs Nada - the better player still wins.
Nada vs Boxer would probably be imbalanced; Boxer would probably get additional damage, or additional hp and would simply win by camping, or would be get outmacroed by Nada quickly making the game a timing contest, not a strategy game.


Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.


I think it wont work vs protoss, because they have cannons at their minerals, and does not work vs zerg, who would put lurkers there. Also, the zerg and protoss would still need some form of compensation, because the average Joe cannot stop few drops. If you had one drop every few minutes, it could still be too much even for better players.
Technically this could work, but would probably make the game really irritating for the opponents.


What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.


Camp for 10 minutes to get a free army?


What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?


Basically anti-boxer?

Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?


Perhaps this could work in some way - each "fraction" would get different stats, but people would start picking things e.g. "better zealots vs zerg" etc.

As for the rest, they are incredibly imbalanced.
In Red Alert 2 different fractions would get different special units, which were entirely new, but in the long run everyone played the same fractions

In addtion, BW is an old game, so you actually cant edit the stats of the units. The way to bypass it, is to switch every newly produced unit to the hero unit, but this brings many problems - e.g. heroes do not need any supplies as far as I remember (basically marines are turned into raynors, you edit the stats of raynors).


this game is supposed to be hilariously imba sometimes lol

and keep in mind that the other player will have something imba to have too. sure you can camp and get a huge army for 10 mins, but the other player, if theyre playing savior for instance, might have defilers by then and just plague the fuck out of everything. lol.

and you can edit the stats of the units. see diplomacy, where they have 2 kinds of marine. The normal marine, and the "special" marine. the normal marine has 75 hp and 10 damage. not 40 hp and 6 damage.

O.O


You can't change the stats of units (Hint: The special marine is jim raynor)


i'm pretty sure you could edit the stats?

i mean lastshadow did it didn't he!? 40hp marine to 35hp marine? no?
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-18 22:27:25
December 17 2008 03:11 GMT
#45
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edit: ya i know there's limits for damage, bonus damage, health, upgrades, sprites, triggers, etc. etc., i'm just proving a point and writing pi at the same time
"Jaedong hyung better be ready. I'm going to order the most expensive dinner in Korea."
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
December 17 2008 03:49 GMT
#46
now if we could take that and put it into an actual mod... ^_^

i'd love to see two d- people playing as flash and jaedong hahaha
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closed
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vatican City State491 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-17 19:59:29
December 17 2008 19:56 GMT
#47
On December 17 2008 11:26 imperfect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2008 11:21 d(O.o)a wrote:
On December 17 2008 10:25 Caller wrote:
On December 17 2008 09:36 closed wrote:
You guys remind me of Lastshadow, he had the macro of Nada...

On December 17 2008 04:36 Caller wrote:
You know what would be a really cool idea for a UMS map?
It’s like melee, but you select a progamer incarnate to help you in the game.

Let’s say you take Nada.
Nada has good multitasking, so you get a slow additional trickle of minerals and gas to make up for your shitty macro.
Also, because he’s just so good with mnm micro, all marines and medics and firebats get bonus hp or something.


Nada vs Nada - the better player still wins.
Nada vs Boxer would probably be imbalanced; Boxer would probably get additional damage, or additional hp and would simply win by camping, or would be get outmacroed by Nada quickly making the game a timing contest, not a strategy game.


Now, you don’t get the extra macro bonus, but occasionally (every 2 minutes or so, after the 10 minute mark) you get a free mnm drop at every enemy expo.


I think it wont work vs protoss, because they have cannons at their minerals, and does not work vs zerg, who would put lurkers there. Also, the zerg and protoss would still need some form of compensation, because the average Joe cannot stop few drops. If you had one drop every few minutes, it could still be too much even for better players.
Technically this could work, but would probably make the game really irritating for the opponents.


What about Flash? Every 10 minutes, a massive terran army spawns at your main.


Camp for 10 minutes to get a free army?


What about Nal_ra? You could get 4 free (unpowered) photon cannons at every expo and some other stuff?


Basically anti-boxer?

Pusan? Your zealots and templar get tougher, and storm is cheaper?


Perhaps this could work in some way - each "fraction" would get different stats, but people would start picking things e.g. "better zealots vs zerg" etc.

As for the rest, they are incredibly imbalanced.
In Red Alert 2 different fractions would get different special units, which were entirely new, but in the long run everyone played the same fractions

In addtion, BW is an old game, so you actually cant edit the stats of the units. The way to bypass it, is to switch every newly produced unit to the hero unit, but this brings many problems - e.g. heroes do not need any supplies as far as I remember (basically marines are turned into raynors, you edit the stats of raynors).


this game is supposed to be hilariously imba sometimes lol

and keep in mind that the other player will have something imba to have too. sure you can camp and get a huge army for 10 mins, but the other player, if theyre playing savior for instance, might have defilers by then and just plague the fuck out of everything. lol.

and you can edit the stats of the units. see diplomacy, where they have 2 kinds of marine. The normal marine, and the "special" marine. the normal marine has 75 hp and 10 damage. not 40 hp and 6 damage.

O.O


You can't change the stats of units (Hint: The special marine is jim raynor)


i'm pretty sure you could edit the stats?

i mean lastshadow did it didn't he!? 40hp marine to 35hp marine? no?


You can change the stats of units, read what I wrote.
But when you change the stats of the unit, they are changed for every player. Consequently, to have two types of marines you need to use heroes (e.g. you exchange every built marine for a jim raynor). Unfortunately, as far as I remember, heroes do not need psi/control/supplies thus the macro gets really complicated.

PS. Not Computer - there is a damage limit (I think it was 65536 without upgrades), so the game will crash when you input few millions there.
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