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On December 10 2008 13:37 BuGzlToOnl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2008 12:53 Chill wrote:
Listen, these pie-in-the-sky kids don't know what's up. Finish the engineering degree. I'm with Chill, suck it up and finish it. You can always go to grad school to do what you actually want to do. I'm sucking it up with Biology, won't matter if I like it or not if I manage to get into med school like I want to.
The difference is that for you, Biology is only a means to an end, an end that you claim you actually want. If you weren't going to med school and just stopped after the Biology major, you might feel a bit differently. In his case, and in many other cases, that end is not what is wanted. That's a very big difference to consider.
Even if it turns out that he decides to go to grad school and do something completely different and that his undergrad didn't matter at all, switching to CIS is still the better option because it would take less time, not to mention that apparently it would be more interesting for him.
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I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
edit: btw you do know that you can get a degree in civil engineering and then do a masters in computer science or anything else, right?
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On December 10 2008 15:05 fight_or_flight wrote:
I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
From what I've been told, engineers are actually the first to lose their jobs, because research is the first thing that goes. Not sure how accurate that is, but IT isn't something that will go away as it's integral to pretty much any business and they need people that understand business problems, something that many companies report that engineers are not very good at.
The IT job market might suffer some, as will many other job markets, but there will always be a strong need for it. In fact in many places there are more CIS jobs needed than there are people to fill, which is an absolutely amazing situation to be in upon graduation.
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On December 10 2008 15:05 fight_or_flight wrote:
I'd stick with civil engineering...seems to me like the IT job market could crash. All the bad economic news hasn't really effected the real economy yet, and when it does you want there to be a job market for you.
If things go bad, it seems to me like knowing how to install an operating system or code php will be less adaptable than knowing how to do math and build something.
Obama has already stated that he is going do huge publics works projects. Our infastructure in this country has been neglected for 30 years. Bridges are crumbling, roads need repair, etc.
Being computer savy with a civil engineering degree seems like it will make you pretty valuable as well.
edit: btw you do know that you can get a degree in civil engineering and then do a masters in computer science or anything else, right?
umm. if anything i would think CIS would be less elastic than CE, any competent business would need a repertoire of IT professionals.
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orlandu why do we post the same things at the same time i hate you
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On December 10 2008 15:12 mahnini wrote:
orlandu why do we post the same things at the same time i hate you
Great minds think alike? 
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Well...civil engineering can't really be outsourced. Many times they work on public works projects which are static (sewage plants and stuff). The government spends money on such projects to stimulate the economy. Obama himself has stated he is going to do this.
Tech positions are needed, but there are many more people in that field than in CE. They have expendable positions. Civil engineers design things that cost many times more than their salary, so proportionally, their employment cost isn't as significant.
I wonder how many civil engineers got laid off from banks this year.
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On December 10 2008 15:24 fight_or_flight wrote:
Well...civil engineering can't really be outsourced. Many times they work on public works projects which are static (sewage plants and stuff). The government spends money on such projects to stimulate the economy. Obama himself has stated he is going to do this.
Tech positions are needed, but there are many more people in that field than in CE. They have expendable positions. Civil engineers design things that cost many times more than their salary, so proportionally, their employment cost isn't as significant.
I wonder how many civil engineers got laid off from banks this year.
Mahnini edited out his post that I thought explained this pretty well, but you're kind of assuming that CIS and IT work consists of mostly lower level work such as tech support. Those types of jobs are expendable, but those aren't made up of entirely CIS people either. In fact a lot of those people are also engineers, Computer Science majors. A lot of CIS professionals are involved in much more important jobs that aren't very expendable, such as, as you put it yourself, designing things that cost many times more than their salary. However, CIS is a very broad field so how expendable the job is really depends on the type of work that you do, but on the same hand, being in such a broad field provides many other back-up options should one job prove to fail for you.
But this isn't really a debate over which is the better major, the issue at hand is whether or not it is a good idea for him to switch. Based on what we know about him and his situation, it would most likely be the most beneficial choice for him.
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-_- Seriously?
Had more here but I'll delete it. Suffice it to say I don't like you.
EDIT: God, you've finished 75% of a solid degree and you're going to just stop? It's so stupid. Just looking at the cost/benefit analysis should tell you to finish then pursuit whatever your dreams are. It isn't anything but stupid to give it all away to switch into a generally less-impressive degree.
How many times will you be able to use that engineering degree to help you? I would guess a lot.
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How the hell do you not figure this out after a few months into your study? Don't change now it would be sooooo retarded you're fucking yourself over. Think of your future and carreer options.
You're probably not even gonna enjoy that new study as much as you think you will, don't do it.
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Are you retarded? What makes you think you can make it big with a site like that? You really think you have some kind of genius idea that's gonna make you rich? Get real, you realize to every successful site there are 10000 failed sites who make shit for money right? If you are basing the choice of your new study on a success story like that you will end up with shattered dreams and a shitty life, set some realistic goals for yourself.
Don't change your degree now, it's too late.
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On December 11 2008 01:25 Chill wrote:-_- Seriously? Had more here but I'll delete it. Suffice it to say I don't like you. EDIT: God, you've finished 75% of a solid degree and you're going to just stop? It's so stupid. Just looking at the cost/benefit analysis should tell you to finish then pursuit whatever your dreams are. It isn't anything but stupid to give it all away to switch into a generally less-impressive degree. How many times will you be able to use that engineering degree to help you? I would guess a lot.
I don't have 75% of CE finished.. not even close.. I'd say about less than 50% (which is how bad I fucked up). I have already analyzed the cost/benefit analysis.. like I said already it would take me another 3 years to finish CE when I can finish in about a year and a half in CIS. So I'd be paying double the time and money for a bachelors degree in CE when one in CIS is still just as good nowadays.
The whole engineering program at my college is the largest impacted college. For example, there is a 2 class chain that has a fail rate of 2/3rds each class. It is not uncommon for engineering students to take each class 2-3 times each just to pass. Let alone they only offer that class in a few sections each quarter so every student is fighting with at least 500 other students to get into one of the give sections of the class with 30 students each. 500 - 150 = 350 students not taking the class. The average engineering major finishes college here in 5.5 years. I'm already far behind than the average student, my fault I know, which is also what makes me not cut out for engineering.
On December 11 2008 02:08 Frits wrote:Are you retarded? What makes you think you can make it big with a site like that? You really think you have some kind of genius idea that's gonna make you rich? Get real, you realize to every successful site there are 10000 failed sites who make shit for money right? If you are basing the choice of your new study on a success story like that you will end up with shattered dreams and a shitty life, set some realistic goals for yourself. Don't change your degree now, it's too late.
6 months ago I made $150~ a month total from all my sites.
5 months ago I made $300~
4 months ago I made $500~
3 months ago I made $550~
2 months ago I made $650~
1 month ago I made $700~
This month is looking to be around $700 again.
Edit: So I'd rather invest my time in CIS while at the same time improving my sites. The opportunity to make a living out of working on my sites is still there and is probably closer to grasp for me than for some other people. Why would I throw away such a chance when it seems closer than shooting for a CE degree, as of now.
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you realize 700 a month is less than welfare right
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You guys are severely underestimating a CIS major.
It's essentially a degree in Business Administration: CIS.
You have loads of options where you want to go after this. In addition to CIS being a encompassing a pretty broad range of skills, we also take a substantial amount of business classes. A quick breakdown of what you need for a CIS degree:
1. 1 year of business classes
2. 1 year of CIS (general)
3. 1 year of CIS (specific)
I pulled the times out of my ass but you get the picture. CIS is a very broad subject you you have to choose a special field within the major as well as taking introductory classes on the fields you don't choose. What this means is that failing your CIS specialty doesn't leave you at a dead end, you could always go into other branches of CIS which is pretty much any technology dealing with the end user, we're talking things like telecom, web programming, internet security, and database administration.
Even failing CIS altogether you still have a strong background in business administration, things like management, operations management, and some business law, as well as some basic understanding of economics, marketing, and accounting.
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