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I've been trying to install The Rosetta Stone on and off for the past few months. Previously I tried other programs to learn Korean/Spanish, such as "Passport to 25 Languages" which was actually not too bad, but for some reason like 10% of the words were translated wrong in Korean as opposed to what it said in English so I said 'FUCK DAT SHIT'.
Now that I finally installed Rosetta Stone, the program where the 70-year old fucker on the television tells you how it is an amazing program that'll get you laid in any country or some shit, I try it out. So I open up the first level and I shit my pants:
There is NO english words to combine the Korean to. I've searched far and wide and I honestly can't tell what some of these pictures are supposed to mean. If anyone has any Rosetta Stone experience I need it soon or my laptop is taking a ride out of my window. How can you learn a language if you can't make a comparison between words with your own?
 
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lol wait is this a program that allows you to learn Korean??
btw its the + Show Spoiler + for the answer xD
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Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN
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rosetta stone kinda sucks
I tried it for japanese, and it was basivally the same thing as your picture
It covered such a small amount of vocab and had basically no structure
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i think the idea behind rosetta stone is that you combine words with its "actual meaning" instead of "translating it" then referring to the translation to produce an image.
like, they want you to go from "sa gwa" to (picture of apple) instead of translating it first to "apple"
somehow it doesnt work out so well... i thought rosetta stone was proven to be bs a while ago. maybe it works for a small number of people
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On October 13 2008 21:48 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN
I used the japanese version of rosetta stone, it had three text settings two types of japanese characters and english as well(they were'nt translated to english, just japanese sounded out in english), I don't know why you only have the korean ones.
The way it teaches you is through trial and error, eventually you recognize characters and you figure out the language on your own, some lessons can be especially frustrating. Your not supposed to compare anything with words you know, instead it teaches you like your learned your first language.
The biggest problem with it is you only learn basics and fundamentals in the first level, and it takes all three levels to be able to really understand/speak a language, from what I understand its a better method for the long run, but it takes a huge time commitment to get anywhere.
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[QUOTE]On October 13 2008 21:48 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN[/QUOT
I don't have the rosetta stone program but i think that the picture with the horse means "upon" or "above" or something like that.
In the first Picture the girl walks in front of the boy, in the second behind him and in the third they walk side by side. I
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It's weird because I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with horse back riding LOL
말들이 오고 있습니다 translates to The horses are coming...o.o
말들 = the horses
오고 = to come
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United States24745 Posts
That brute force learning method doesn't seem very applicable to most learners and their needs :-/
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Clazziquai do you know any good software/website that could teach me better?
Or do you think I should just stick with this? I still don't understand the whole scheme to it though, because by the time I finish Rosetta Stone I will be probably inept from speaking Korean. In fact, I'll probably be speaking a language called Faust-Korean.
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Forget Rosetta Stone.. Just go pay some Korean bimbo to tutor you. During the 2nd class, fuck her and then get your tutoring for free.
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On October 13 2008 22:50 SCC-Faust wrote:
Clazziquai do you know any good software/website that could teach me better?
Or do you think I should just stick with this? I still don't understand the whole scheme to it though, because by the time I finish Rosetta Stone I will be probably inept from speaking Korean. In fact, I'll probably be speaking a language called Faust-Korean.
I have no idea but I don't really recommend any softwares unless it's really advanced (meaning you need to buy a software, maybe that would help).
Your best would be to get a tutor  that's the easiest...or if Korean were offered in your school.
I'm planning to one day to go to Yonsei University's Korean learning program and I heard some good stuff about it. My speaking and writing are okay, but I really need to step it up and learn the advanced vocab/harder words to improve ^^
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tried it for chinese and it was basically just like what you're showing right now.
Uninstalled it immediately.
Forget Rosetta Stone.. Just go pay some Korean bimbo to tutor you. During the 2nd class, fuck her and then get your tutoring for free.
Take this to heart, man!
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United States43345 Posts
Lol
That's the entire point of it. It's total emersion. You're learning the same way a baby learns to speak. You're complaining about the thing that is meant to make it work. I used the same program to learn some basic korean. Same pictures and everything. The way it does it you slowly build up a basic vocab. It'll apply words you know to new situations and you build up your knowledge. Like it'll teach you the word for boy, then the word for ball, then the word for boy with ball etc..
If it teaches you the normal way then you're learning to apply english with new words. This way you're not seeing a ball, thinking ball in english then trying to work out the korean for ball. You're seeing a ball and thinking the korean for ball.
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United States889 Posts
This is pretty different from the way a baby learns its first language.
Noam Chomsky postulated an innate faculty for language learning; a 'critical point' for language development which included implications for language learning as an instinct. Look up 'poverty of the stimulus' on wikipedia. Research into second language acquisition has only ever come up with the conclusion that you just have to do it the hard way. I'm majoring in linguistics, and Rosetta Stone cannot, as it claims, teach you a new language the same way you learned your first language.
Because you're not a baby anymore, your brain has deactivated the part that allowed you to so easily acquire your first language. So basically, you have to tough it out. Rosetta Stone won't do it any better than any other software, and will probably do it worse than a class. Immersion is the best way to learn a language, and Rosetta Stone tries to immerse you, but it can't because it's software. Basically you're trying to deduce meanings from very limited data. When you immerse, you have practically limitless data, and you try and you fail. Rosetta Stone is frustrating because you fail repeatedly, and it isn't a necessity to communicate. Immersion isn't, because you have to fail and learn in order to communication, and generally you're willing to do it.
Take a class, if you can, and if you can't, at least try it with Rosetta Stone. It can't hurt, I guess, since you already bought it.
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Rosetta Stone is utterly ridiculous. I've tried speaking to people who have used to program to 'learn' Japanese. Everything they said was just like English-->Japanese... nearly everything was grammatically correct but nothing sounded natural (bad explaination amirite?).. and any kind of slang/casual language/internet slang from me fucked them up.
Also...+ Show Spoiler +
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dude programs are shit, just go out to a bookstore or a library and check out books which seem decent.
Once you work at a book for a few weeks, you'll be able to pick out even better books then find something decent.
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I did Rosetta Stone for like 3 months prior to going to Germany and my fiance's friends and families were amazed that I could tell them complete sentences and little stories, albeit at what was probably a third-grade level. Nevertheless, everyone was surprised and appreciated that I had taken the time to learn any German.
I stopped doing Rosetta Stone after that because I ended up taking a German class this semester and, going into it, I'm already whooping all over everyone else because I went into it with such strong fundamentals. I would definitely recommend using Rosetta Stone to begin learning any language. Like learning any new language, it just takes a lot of commitment.
p.s. yeah, the fact that there are no direct translations kind of sucks, so I recommend getting a dictionary for the language you're studying. Rosetta Stone will show you a sentence only in that language, e.g., "Der Junge springt," and a picture with a boy doing various things. So when you end up finally picking the right picture (the boy jumping), your mind will associate this phrase with this action; however, you don't quite know -which- word is which (eventually you can figure it out, but getting a dictionary helps a lot!). It's just like learning a language as if though you were already in that country, learning from others.
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Rosetta Stone works in means of direct teaching with zero english. Theres a certain word that describes it, just cant think of it off the top of my head.
Basically, its just drilling symbols and pictures into your brain for hours, that directs certain meanings/words/symbols/sayings that will help you learn the language. If you dont have the patience to try something like this, its not worth it to buy/download it.
For Spanish, just fly down here to Arizona and just find a illegal. Tell them to tutor you or you call INS. That one is simple. For Korean, if you know any Korean friends that can help you learn some basics or you could try this website. + Show Spoiler +http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/ - its not much but it'll get you started on some hangul and some simple sayings.
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On October 14 2008 00:34 Tibs wrote:Rosetta Stone works in means of direct teaching with zero english. Theres a certain word that describes it, just cant think of it off the top of my head. Basically, its just drilling symbols and pictures into your brain for hours, that directs certain meanings/words/symbols/sayings that will help you learn the language. If you dont have the patience to try something like this, its not worth it to buy/download it. For Spanish, just fly down here to Arizona and just find a illegal. Tell them to tutor you or you call INS. That one is simple. For Korean, if you know any Korean friends that can help you learn some basics or you could try this website. + Show Spoiler +http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/
rofl
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I'll start lesson 1 tonight.
A quick question, because I just don't seem to be able to understand this concept: How can you learn words from pictures? Like, I understand that they are trying to teach you Korean so you refer to pictures/etc. instead of trying to piece apart the Korean with English. But I mean, if I also use a Korean Dictionary, would that defeat the purpose of the exercise? I used a Korean Dictionary while using "25 Languages for Travel" or whatever, I think I used zKorean.net because I had troubles understanding that a picture of a girl standing in the middle of the street was a fuckin "Niece" or "Aunt", and not a "Whore".
OH WELL LETS SEE HOW THIS GOES TONITE.
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good luck
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United States17042 Posts
On October 14 2008 00:34 Tibs wrote:Rosetta Stone works in means of direct teaching with zero english. Theres a certain word that describes it, just cant think of it off the top of my head. Basically, its just drilling symbols and pictures into your brain for hours, that directs certain meanings/words/symbols/sayings that will help you learn the language. If you dont have the patience to try something like this, its not worth it to buy/download it. For Spanish, just fly down here to Arizona and just find a illegal. Tell them to tutor you or you call INS. That one is simple. For Korean, if you know any Korean friends that can help you learn some basics or you could try this website. + Show Spoiler +http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/ - its not much but it'll get you started on some hangul and some simple sayings.
Flying down to arizona to learn a language sounds like it would be a large time commitment. And at least mean to the illegal xD
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United States17042 Posts
On October 14 2008 00:43 SCC-Faust wrote:
I'll start lesson 1 tonight.
A quick question, because I just don't seem to be able to understand this concept: How can you learn words from pictures? Like, I understand that they are trying to teach you Korean so you refer to pictures/etc. instead of trying to piece apart the Korean with English. But I mean, if I also use a Korean Dictionary, would that defeat the purpose of the exercise? I used a Korean Dictionary while using "25 Languages for Travel" or whatever, I think I used zKorean.net because I had troubles understanding that a picture of a girl standing in the middle of the street was a fuckin "Niece" or "Aunt", and not a "Whore".
OH WELL LETS SEE HOW THIS GOES TONITE.
You're supposed to learn words from pictures because it's supposed to help you memorize better. Using the same example from an above poster, apple=picture of an apple is supposed to be easier/better to remember than apple=characters that represent apple. If you think about how/when you try to recall the word apple, it might be easier to recall apple when you have the picture to word correlation memorized, instead of the picture to character correlation memorized.
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Anybody have any idea how much you should learn from RS after completing all 3 packages? Like, what should your expectations be? (level of fluency, X grade level speaker, etc..)
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On October 14 2008 01:58 SirNeb wrote:
Anybody have any idea how much you should learn from RS after completing all 3 packages? Like, what should your expectations be? (level of fluency, X grade level speaker, etc..)
Probably depends on your intelligence, determination, and flat out patience like any other learning tool.
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The expectations after completely Korean 1 (beginner), 2 (moderate), 3 (advanced), is to be able to hold a conversation, address daily tasks, and basically be able to speak enough of the langauge to get by on a daily basis.
Level 1 isnt that bad, I did it a few months ago and Im able to at least hold a small conversation. Basically address who Im speaking too in a informal or formal manner, ask how they are doing, its nice to meet them, order some general food products, and address a general question of wanting/needing something.
Its not much, but it gets you by for the most part. Im gonna get a copy of sections 2 and 3, once I get re-enlisted in the Air-Force since I very well might be re-enlisting into Linguistics instead of my current MOS's.
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Rosetta Stone blows.
I think that a lot of time, the grammar in Korean is too complex to learn in the way Rosetta Stone tries to teach it. Maybe it would have worked better for me if I were smarter.
If you're serious about learning Korean, I would just get a big fat textbook. I wish I had started that way.
Otherwise, a good resource is Koreanclass101.com. You can find a lot of their stuff illegally. I wouldn't recommend Koreanclass101.com unless you can get access to the .pdf's, at least when you're starting out.
I did find one program that might be useful for you. I believe it covers all the basic grammar. I didn't use it because I had covered most everything by the time I found it, but it looked decent. It think it DeClan's Hakyo or hakseng or something similar. It's part of a set of 4 programs for learning Korean.
I tried to find those programs illegally, but I could only find 1.0 versions, which are no where near as good as current versions. However, I still think the grammar-teaching one might be helpful to you. PM me if you have trouble finding it...although I'm not 100% people are still seeding it.
Some resources:
http://www.wiktionary.org/ : The amazing thing about wiktionary, is that a lot of words have full conjugation charts, and so if you have no idea how to put what you're looking for in dictionary form, you can just dump all of it in and it may pop up.
http://dic.naver.com/ : Better dictionary once you learn to drop particles and such.
http://bonewso.net/koreangrammar/tiki-index.php?page=Korean Grammar Database : Pretty nice collection of grammar.
Good luck.
edit: I didn't realize they had released levels 2 and 3 -- maybe I'll give it another try.
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Belgium6774 Posts
Well I think Rosetta Stone isn't all bad. I'm more of a visually oriented person so it fits me well for learning vocab that way
only thing I find to be really sucky is the fact that they assume you already know the alphabet of the language you're learning, which I did, but still they should at least give some introductory alphabet lesson
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That program doesn't look all bad, the word horse is associated with horseback riding in your head and using your understanding of a word makes it much easier for you to remember than simply trying to learn words. It is waaaaay more likely to enter your long term memory if you think about the word's meaning and then associate it with the korean version of the word.
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Well this has gotten me interested in learning another language, and I actually have the time to do it.
I'm bilingual so I know both English, and Spanish extremely well. I can speak fluently, and write in both. My question is rather simple, and maybe idiotic...
What's a good language to learn? There are a lot of ways to interpret this question...
Maybe I'm simply saying what's a language to learn that will defiantly help me out in life?, and might be simple since I know Spanish... I'm guessing any of the romantic languages would suffice.
However, I'd like to know Mandarin, or Japanese since it would be good for me down the long run, job wise speaking.
Any suggestions? Sorry, I'm just having some creative thoughts.
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I think Chinese is a good language to learn.
I really want to brush up on my Spanish as well as learn Korean, Chinese, Japanese.
Even though they are pretty close to each other they are all very important and very useful.
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On October 14 2008 06:51 Mickey wrote:
Well this has gotten me interested in learning another language, and I actually have the time to do it.
I'm bilingual so I know both English, and Spanish extremely well. I can speak fluently, and write in both. My question is rather simple, and maybe idiotic...
What's a good language to learn? There are a lot of ways to interpret this question...
Maybe I'm simply saying what's a language to learn that will defiantly help me out in life?, and might be simple since I know Spanish... I'm guessing any of the romantic languages would suffice.
However, I'd like to know Mandarin, or Japanese since it would be good for me down the long run, job wise speaking.
Any suggestions? Sorry, I'm just having some creative thoughts.
English, French, and Spanish have covered a huge portion of the world for me so far. I think if you learn those three and Mandarin, you're set.
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Quick Korean question.
I just tried translating a picture of a boy, which is: 남자아이
But when I searched on zKorean.com Dictionary it said cannot find definition. THE SHIT?
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its basically a young male kid.
남자 = Male/Man
아이 = Child/Kid
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