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I've been trying to install The Rosetta Stone on and off for the past few months. Previously I tried other programs to learn Korean/Spanish, such as "Passport to 25 Languages" which was actually not too bad, but for some reason like 10% of the words were translated wrong in Korean as opposed to what it said in English so I said 'FUCK DAT SHIT'.
Now that I finally installed Rosetta Stone, the program where the 70-year old fucker on the television tells you how it is an amazing program that'll get you laid in any country or some shit, I try it out. So I open up the first level and I shit my pants:
There is NO english words to combine the Korean to. I've searched far and wide and I honestly can't tell what some of these pictures are supposed to mean. If anyone has any Rosetta Stone experience I need it soon or my laptop is taking a ride out of my window. How can you learn a language if you can't make a comparison between words with your own?
 
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lol wait is this a program that allows you to learn Korean??
btw its the + Show Spoiler + for the answer xD
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Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN
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rosetta stone kinda sucks
I tried it for japanese, and it was basivally the same thing as your picture
It covered such a small amount of vocab and had basically no structure
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i think the idea behind rosetta stone is that you combine words with its "actual meaning" instead of "translating it" then referring to the translation to produce an image.
like, they want you to go from "sa gwa" to (picture of apple) instead of translating it first to "apple"
somehow it doesnt work out so well... i thought rosetta stone was proven to be bs a while ago. maybe it works for a small number of people
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On October 13 2008 21:48 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN
I used the japanese version of rosetta stone, it had three text settings two types of japanese characters and english as well(they were'nt translated to english, just japanese sounded out in english), I don't know why you only have the korean ones.
The way it teaches you is through trial and error, eventually you recognize characters and you figure out the language on your own, some lessons can be especially frustrating. Your not supposed to compare anything with words you know, instead it teaches you like your learned your first language.
The biggest problem with it is you only learn basics and fundamentals in the first level, and it takes all three levels to be able to really understand/speak a language, from what I understand its a better method for the long run, but it takes a huge time commitment to get anywhere.
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[QUOTE]On October 13 2008 21:48 SCC-Faust wrote:
Yeah it is a program that lets you learn like, I believe its around 30 languages or more.
Korean isn't extensively covered but it does have a lot of lessons and exercises which I'm happy about. But like every other language program I've tried it fails to teach you how to use the grammar. It throws random words at you, and that is about it. But so far Rosetta Stone took it a notch further and it doesn't tell me what the hell the pictures are. I mean the third picture looks like horse-back riding. But is it saying "Horseback-riding" or "Riding a horse" or "Horse racing". Like either way if I struggle like this trying to figure out what the fuck each picture means then how am I ever going to learn anything.
I HAET U REOSETA STOEN[/QUOT
I don't have the rosetta stone program but i think that the picture with the horse means "upon" or "above" or something like that.
In the first Picture the girl walks in front of the boy, in the second behind him and in the third they walk side by side. I
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It's weird because I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with horse back riding LOL
말들이 오고 있습니다 translates to The horses are coming...o.o
말들 = the horses
오고 = to come
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United States24670 Posts
That brute force learning method doesn't seem very applicable to most learners and their needs :-/
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Clazziquai do you know any good software/website that could teach me better?
Or do you think I should just stick with this? I still don't understand the whole scheme to it though, because by the time I finish Rosetta Stone I will be probably inept from speaking Korean. In fact, I'll probably be speaking a language called Faust-Korean.
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Forget Rosetta Stone.. Just go pay some Korean bimbo to tutor you. During the 2nd class, fuck her and then get your tutoring for free.
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On October 13 2008 22:50 SCC-Faust wrote:
Clazziquai do you know any good software/website that could teach me better?
Or do you think I should just stick with this? I still don't understand the whole scheme to it though, because by the time I finish Rosetta Stone I will be probably inept from speaking Korean. In fact, I'll probably be speaking a language called Faust-Korean.
I have no idea but I don't really recommend any softwares unless it's really advanced (meaning you need to buy a software, maybe that would help).
Your best would be to get a tutor  that's the easiest...or if Korean were offered in your school.
I'm planning to one day to go to Yonsei University's Korean learning program and I heard some good stuff about it. My speaking and writing are okay, but I really need to step it up and learn the advanced vocab/harder words to improve ^^
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tried it for chinese and it was basically just like what you're showing right now.
Uninstalled it immediately.
Forget Rosetta Stone.. Just go pay some Korean bimbo to tutor you. During the 2nd class, fuck her and then get your tutoring for free.
Take this to heart, man!
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United States42569 Posts
Lol
That's the entire point of it. It's total emersion. You're learning the same way a baby learns to speak. You're complaining about the thing that is meant to make it work. I used the same program to learn some basic korean. Same pictures and everything. The way it does it you slowly build up a basic vocab. It'll apply words you know to new situations and you build up your knowledge. Like it'll teach you the word for boy, then the word for ball, then the word for boy with ball etc..
If it teaches you the normal way then you're learning to apply english with new words. This way you're not seeing a ball, thinking ball in english then trying to work out the korean for ball. You're seeing a ball and thinking the korean for ball.
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United States889 Posts
This is pretty different from the way a baby learns its first language.
Noam Chomsky postulated an innate faculty for language learning; a 'critical point' for language development which included implications for language learning as an instinct. Look up 'poverty of the stimulus' on wikipedia. Research into second language acquisition has only ever come up with the conclusion that you just have to do it the hard way. I'm majoring in linguistics, and Rosetta Stone cannot, as it claims, teach you a new language the same way you learned your first language.
Because you're not a baby anymore, your brain has deactivated the part that allowed you to so easily acquire your first language. So basically, you have to tough it out. Rosetta Stone won't do it any better than any other software, and will probably do it worse than a class. Immersion is the best way to learn a language, and Rosetta Stone tries to immerse you, but it can't because it's software. Basically you're trying to deduce meanings from very limited data. When you immerse, you have practically limitless data, and you try and you fail. Rosetta Stone is frustrating because you fail repeatedly, and it isn't a necessity to communicate. Immersion isn't, because you have to fail and learn in order to communication, and generally you're willing to do it.
Take a class, if you can, and if you can't, at least try it with Rosetta Stone. It can't hurt, I guess, since you already bought it.
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Rosetta Stone is utterly ridiculous. I've tried speaking to people who have used to program to 'learn' Japanese. Everything they said was just like English-->Japanese... nearly everything was grammatically correct but nothing sounded natural (bad explaination amirite?).. and any kind of slang/casual language/internet slang from me fucked them up.
Also...+ Show Spoiler +
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dude programs are shit, just go out to a bookstore or a library and check out books which seem decent.
Once you work at a book for a few weeks, you'll be able to pick out even better books then find something decent.
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I did Rosetta Stone for like 3 months prior to going to Germany and my fiance's friends and families were amazed that I could tell them complete sentences and little stories, albeit at what was probably a third-grade level. Nevertheless, everyone was surprised and appreciated that I had taken the time to learn any German.
I stopped doing Rosetta Stone after that because I ended up taking a German class this semester and, going into it, I'm already whooping all over everyone else because I went into it with such strong fundamentals. I would definitely recommend using Rosetta Stone to begin learning any language. Like learning any new language, it just takes a lot of commitment.
p.s. yeah, the fact that there are no direct translations kind of sucks, so I recommend getting a dictionary for the language you're studying. Rosetta Stone will show you a sentence only in that language, e.g., "Der Junge springt," and a picture with a boy doing various things. So when you end up finally picking the right picture (the boy jumping), your mind will associate this phrase with this action; however, you don't quite know -which- word is which (eventually you can figure it out, but getting a dictionary helps a lot!). It's just like learning a language as if though you were already in that country, learning from others.
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Rosetta Stone works in means of direct teaching with zero english. Theres a certain word that describes it, just cant think of it off the top of my head.
Basically, its just drilling symbols and pictures into your brain for hours, that directs certain meanings/words/symbols/sayings that will help you learn the language. If you dont have the patience to try something like this, its not worth it to buy/download it.
For Spanish, just fly down here to Arizona and just find a illegal. Tell them to tutor you or you call INS. That one is simple. For Korean, if you know any Korean friends that can help you learn some basics or you could try this website. + Show Spoiler +http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/ - its not much but it'll get you started on some hangul and some simple sayings.
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On October 14 2008 00:34 Tibs wrote:Rosetta Stone works in means of direct teaching with zero english. Theres a certain word that describes it, just cant think of it off the top of my head. Basically, its just drilling symbols and pictures into your brain for hours, that directs certain meanings/words/symbols/sayings that will help you learn the language. If you dont have the patience to try something like this, its not worth it to buy/download it. For Spanish, just fly down here to Arizona and just find a illegal. Tell them to tutor you or you call INS. That one is simple. For Korean, if you know any Korean friends that can help you learn some basics or you could try this website. + Show Spoiler +http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/
rofl
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