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On October 01 2008 06:53 ahole-surprise wrote:
"2)" is a contentious issue. Are there more protoss players because it's easier? Or because people just like protoss? I don't care to answer that question. But you seem to bend towards the latter, which I believe is a lot less plausible.
You really think so? Dude... when you chose what race you play now, had you played all three extensively?
Had you played all three extensively enough to know that at the D to C- level Protoss would (hypothetically) be easier?
No.... you pick the race that appeals to you most or that has the unit(s) you like the most.
If you really think there are an abundance of protoss players because it's easier, you are out of your mind. Most people don't play all three races up to the D+ level before choosing their main.
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I'm a P player, and I do believe that Protoss is the easiest race to learn for the average person. At our level which is between D and C i presume, P's macro is the easiest to learn -> just go to gateways and click click click~
For terran it takes insane hand speed (especially in TvZ where marines build in a flash), and zergs need to manage their larvae and drone count. However, in the pro level, I would guess it balances out.
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pff apm means absolutely nothing and people should not include it as an argument, I am about a 360 apm protoss, so does that mean i could become a super gosu terran player?
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On October 01 2008 08:54 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 06:53 ahole-surprise wrote:
"2)" is a contentious issue. Are there more protoss players because it's easier? Or because people just like protoss? I don't care to answer that question. But you seem to bend towards the latter, which I believe is a lot less plausible. You really think so? Dude... when you chose what race you play now, had you played all three extensively? Had you played all three extensively enough to know that at the D to C- level Protoss would (hypothetically) be easier? No.... you pick the race that appeals to you most or that has the unit(s) you like the most. If you really think there are an abundance of protoss players because it's easier, you are out of your mind. Most people don't play all three races up to the D+ level before choosing their main.
Wow.
Read the context, when I say "are there are more protoss players because it's easier?" I was referring to the foreigner community but more specifically, top foreigner events, like TSL and how events like them are dominated by protoss players. So the question is: are there simply more protoss players to begin with and that accounts for there being more top level protoss players or is it because protoss is the easiest to dominate with in the foreign scene because their mechanics are easier? I say the latter is more likely, and would be aided by people changing their race. In fact, your assertion that people just choose the race they like would be against the idea that there are simply more protoss players to begin with.
Just to give one example, Dreiven said he switched to protoss from terran, when Chill probed him if it was simply because protoss is easier, Dreiven said "reavers are imba", take what you want of that. Now don't quote this and say "omg that's just one example", yeah I know that, but I can't give you the life history of every top foreigner. I'm only speculating on trends. And that's why I said "i won't bother answering the question." But your quoting me, and not even knowing what I said, forced me to elaborate.
The only thing I'm sticking with is that protoss has easier mechanics.
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On October 01 2008 06:17 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 03:36 0xDEADBEEF wrote:One recent example: Spirit Tournament thread: semifinals: P>Z, P>Z Note no T in semifinal, and the winner will be a P  Just because they're better players doesn't make the race easy.
Maybe they're ONLY better players BECAUSE the race is easier...
It's also not the first time. We mysteriously have quite a few really good P players, and not as many Ts and Zs (and more Zs than Ts).
I really think this is not a coincidence.
It was different a few years ago, but in today's macro age, the foreign scene will continue to be dominated by P players, I'm very sure of that. Unless foreigners can somehow reach the same level of mechanics like progamers, so that multitasking is not a big problem anymore, but I doubt that. Bad multitasking remains the #1 weakness of foreigners, and using Protoss simplifies multitasking a lot compared to Z and especially T.
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On October 01 2008 09:07 imperfect wrote:
I'm a P player, and I do believe that Protoss is the easiest race to learn for the average person. At our level which is between D and C i presume, P's macro is the easiest to learn -> just go to gateways and click click click~
For terran it takes insane hand speed (especially in TvZ where marines build in a flash), and zergs need to manage their larvae and drone count. However, in the pro level, I would guess it balances out.
Why is there this perception that its easier to macro Protoss? I conceded ages ago that micro was easier, but really? Sure Zerg has to manage larva, but keep in mind that since larva generate at a constant rate regardless of whether or not you use them (until you reach 3 larva) there's more leeway to constant production. Building 1 hydralisk when you have 1 larva and 1 when the second larva pops is the same as building them both when the second larva pops. Also, isn't a huge help to Terran that they can line their buildings up in neat rows, as opposed to having to center them around pylons?
And in TvP, Protoss has more gateways than Terran has factories. Protoss has MORE production buildings to manage in that matchup, especially since they also have to build out of Robotics Facilities more often than Terran has to build out of Starports.
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On October 01 2008 09:40 ahole-surprise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 08:54 -orb- wrote:On October 01 2008 06:53 ahole-surprise wrote:
"2)" is a contentious issue. Are there more protoss players because it's easier? Or because people just like protoss? I don't care to answer that question. But you seem to bend towards the latter, which I believe is a lot less plausible. You really think so? Dude... when you chose what race you play now, had you played all three extensively? Had you played all three extensively enough to know that at the D to C- level Protoss would (hypothetically) be easier? No.... you pick the race that appeals to you most or that has the unit(s) you like the most. If you really think there are an abundance of protoss players because it's easier, you are out of your mind. Most people don't play all three races up to the D+ level before choosing their main. Wow. Read the context, when I say "are there are more protoss players because it's easier?" I was referring to the foreigner community but more specifically, top foreigner events, like TSL and how events like them are dominated by protoss players. So the question is: are there simply more protoss players to begin with and that accounts for there being more top level protoss players or is it because protoss is the easiest to dominate with in the foreign scene because their mechanics are easier? I say the latter is more likely, and would be aided by people changing their race. In fact, your assertion that people just choose the race they like would be against the idea that there are simply more protoss players to begin with. Just to give one example, Dreiven said he switched to protoss from terran, when Chill probed him if it was simply because protoss is easier, Dreiven said "reavers are imba", take what you want of that. Now don't quote this and say "omg that's just one example", yeah I know that, but I can't give you the life history of every top foreigner. I'm only speculating on trends. And that's why I said "i won't bother answering the question." But your quoting me, and not even knowing what I said, forced me to elaborate. The only thing I'm sticking with is that protoss has easier mechanics.
this is irrelevant to the foreigner scene, but didnt stork switch from terran to protoss because terran was too difficult?
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didn't tossgirl swtich from protoss to terran because protoss was to hard?
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no she switched because of her sister didnt she? (or just because she enjoyed macro)
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Common too play terran all you need is fast hands. Is that really so hard to achieve? I could become an A+ terran player, since I do have fast hands, but i decide to challenge myself and play a race which requires actual skill, PROTOSS~
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On October 01 2008 11:52 fusionsdf wrote:
no she switched because of her sister didnt she? (or just because she enjoyed macro)
actually iirc she said something along the lines of PvZ being too difficult for her.
Maybe someone could search for that.
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