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[spoiler]Mind vs Luxury

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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
September 24 2008 18:31 GMT
#1
Okay if you don't want this to be spoiled, do not read any further. We've seen brilliancies in TvZ before, and usually Z comes out with the artful flanks, swarms and such, but man. This whole game was brilliant, was beautiful, it was art. Who would've thought? BW is art? Okay, don't go on if you don't want spoilers!





























Warning you.


































Oh yeah, apologies to the calc blog the other day. =D
























If you haven't yet... Luxury joins KTF!
























Incruit 2008 OSL -

Plasma, wow, Plasma looked so fantastic and amazing when none of the players have played it yet. It was just a map, with no statistics and no "cheese" strategies made. But once players have played it often, and often enough, we exploit the maps. We exploit the positional advantage we could gain, we exploit the terrains, and more importantly; we exploit build orders. What a weird twist of events, Mind, knowing him - boring Terran, yadda yadda, decides to not go into ground army, instead, he uses his star sense and maphack in his brain and goes, "fuck yeah, Luxury will go into some mutalisk opening like a boring Zerg" and opens with dual starports. Yeah, I quickly went, "knew it, boring Terran is going fast vessels, but a diff. build of fast vessels." But nooooo, he goes wraiths, and harasses the hell out of Luxury. Little vulture annoyed him too, I bet. As the scourges came and Luxury continues with his heavy mutalisk army, Mind added in an armory and what the fuck comes into my mind. Valkyries, boring Terran makes valkyries with wraiths. Wow. Besides me hating him for killing Bisu, he actually made this game not boring.

Of course, seeing as Z's air can't > Terran's air, Luxury transitions to lurkers and hydralisks with overlord drop. Good idea, blah blah. Mind is already one-step ahead. Luxury must've been mindfucked when he drops in Mind's main, kills workers, kills turrets, shit like that. I wouldn't say he did that bad of damage. But anyway, Mind already macro'd a fuckload of units in the mix of marines, medics, tanks and vessels. Seriously, the mutalisks was a mistake, Luxury made them thinking he could economically hurt T but was strictly repelled. Did absolutely no damage, in fact, he was slowed. His economy wasn't bad, it's just that he had no outstanding army to best Mind's. Mind walks over Luxury. Luxury cries. Luxury joins KTF. Yay.



I enjoyed it, I don't know about YOU.
Yeah, a big F U to Luxury for ruining my liquidbet, DAMNIT!

****
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
September 24 2008 18:35 GMT
#2
Mind isnt original
Flash, Forgg and Hwasin went dual starport vs Zerg on this map, its just that good. The only Zerg that knows how to play this map is Thezerg who has 2 wins ZvT on this map, one vs Hwasin and one vs Shine.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
September 24 2008 18:57 GMT
#3
I got 0/4 on liquid bet today. I wouldn't say FU to Lux, I'd say FU to stork for stupid unscouted prxy!
Freedom is a stranger
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
September 24 2008 19:10 GMT
#4
flash is only fun tvp his tvz is ew. forgg too. hwasin .... well, he didnt go valks did he?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
September 24 2008 19:12 GMT
#5
On September 25 2008 03:57 kemoryan wrote:
I got 0/4 on liquid bet today. I wouldn't say FU to Lux, I'd say FU to stork for stupid unscouted prxy!

Way to spoil -_-

But on topic I very much enjoyed this game and I love to see valkyries used in progames as I occasionally use them in TvZ myself ^^
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
September 24 2008 19:13 GMT
#6
On September 25 2008 04:10 Raithed wrote:
flash is only fun tvp his tvz is ew. forgg too. hwasin .... well, he didnt go valks did he?


He got rolled to hard by TheZerg to get valks, watch Thezerg's games and become a fan. Not even jaedong has shit on this kid.
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
loupouk
Profile Joined May 2003
France105 Posts
September 24 2008 19:15 GMT
#7
After that failed attack with mutalisk, luxury was still in the game. He lost because after that he stopped making drones.
I will pown mind with 6 drone each bases! GOGO
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
September 24 2008 19:52 GMT
#8
IMO luxury should have stopped muta production as soon as he saw valks coming.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
September 24 2008 19:59 GMT
#9
On an unrelated note does anyone know why Sea is wearing Shark's T-shirt during the Sea vs Stork game??
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
September 24 2008 20:20 GMT
#10
There was nothing amazing about Minds build. You can see it many times in loads of older games. It's a pretty standard cheese TvZ. And why would you think fast 2 port meant fast vessels? that makes no sense
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
September 24 2008 20:37 GMT
#11
On September 25 2008 05:20 Piy wrote:
There was nothing amazing about Minds build. You can see it many times in loads of older games. It's a pretty standard cheese TvZ. And why would you think fast 2 port meant fast vessels? that makes no sense

Ummm that makes quite a lot of sense actually since fast ports are kind of required for fast vessels and it's pretty cheap too meaning you can M&M up as you do it for a kind of boxereqsue 1 base SK Terran build.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
September 24 2008 20:38 GMT
#12
On September 25 2008 05:20 Piy wrote:
There was nothing amazing about Minds build. You can see it many times in loads of older games. It's a pretty standard cheese TvZ. And why would you think fast 2 port meant fast vessels? that makes no sense

it doesnt have to make sense, as long as it works. who plays like an idiot and wins and doesnt make sense? ah yes, backho.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 24 2008 20:53 GMT
#13
Um weird game indeed, Zerg had to open fast spire because wraiths on this map is so hard to defend with 12 hatch (especially because terran usually proxies his factory and uses vultures hardcore if zerg doesn't go fast mutas). And after that Terran only needs to scout entrances for lurkers and little guarding air for drops and its easy win. Though I still say that ZvP is harder to win with zerg.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14910 Posts
September 24 2008 21:01 GMT
#14
that was nicely done
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
September 24 2008 21:09 GMT
#15
Luxury did so many low-damage attacks.

Actually he did nothing but low or no damage attacks, losing everything each time.

Sad to see because the beginning of this game was promising, but it turned out very one sided.
Resistance ain't futile
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
September 24 2008 21:09 GMT
#16
Man I really thought Sea saw that proxy, didn't realize he was just SUPER FUCKING CLOSE. I really thought to myself "OH GG SEA SCOUTED THAT SHIT." Then I saw no engineering bay going up or anything and the tank moving out towards stork's base and said "WTF." :\

BACKHO FIGHTING
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
September 25 2008 00:26 GMT
#17
umm... you see him open 2port and you think vessels? You must be really new to this game.
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