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Ender
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States294 Posts
September 21 2008 00:44 GMT
#81
On September 21 2008 05:16 KlaCkoN wrote:
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On September 21 2008 04:53 OneOther wrote:
On September 20 2008 19:57 KlaCkoN wrote:
On September 20 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote:
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.


Yeah but why?
As a university why should they be interessted in anything but the quality of the work the student is expected to produce? Maybe they need selection methods of their own. (The skills required to score perfect grades are not exactly the same as those needed to produce good research)
But to resort to their ... sport skills? What has _that_ got to do with anything?


What do you mean why? Do you think colleges want kids who don't know anything but studying? Plus, what are you gonna do if students' scores are basically the same?

like I said, universities want students who do more than just studying. They want athlete scholars, musicians, artists, and the variety on their campus, not a big nerd fest. They look for more than just grades and scores in students.

t's also a selection method since EVERYONE who apply to elite colleges have excellent academic stats. Sport was one example of countless extracurricular activities the applicants may be dedicated to.


I will probably never understand this *sighs*
If the most intelligent students are "nerds" then why don't the colleges want a "nerd fest"?
Shouldn't the goal of the university be to produce as many nobel prices as possible, period?

When I applied to oxford (A fairly prestigious uni in Europe) they didn't seem to care at all for what I did in my spare time (Not that I did anything noteworthy =P) They did however lock me in a room for an hour where they bombarded me with questions regarding the subject I was applying for, expecting me to reason my way out of them. I was accepted.
To me that seems like a more relevant way to go about it, but as said I am probably just beeing very european.
Is it perhaps because the overall status of the school is increased if the students going there are beautiful and active as well as smart? Or is it because they believe that an active student is likely to produce better results in the long run?



I think you're partly right because in the US, since colleges look at other things besides the intelligence and academic achievement of the student, many students go out of their way to do all of these extracurriculars and build up a huge resume consisting mostly of things they don't care about doing. So you have so many people doing hours of community service when they don't give a rat's shit about community service or the guy who plays an instrument just to put it on his application.

However, let me point out something about the comparison between the two applications shown before. Honestly, there really is no difference in the academic potential of the two applicants. A 4.0 compared to a 3.8? A 2400 to a 2250? What's more likely to account for the superior academic achievement of Applicant A over Applicant B? Is it more likely that Applicant A is a truly superior student who is more likely to do better in college? Or is the minute difference probably due to the immense number of environmental factors like difficulty of teachers, personal issues, etc? I got a 750/800 on the math portion of my SAT and I only got 2 questions wrong (and I was pretty sure I hadn't a single one wrong when I took it). So would the 2 questions really be the difference between me and Mr.800 who didn't make the 2 silly mistakes I made?

But now, let's say I helped organize a math competition for gifted middle school students during all four years of high school because I genuinely enjoyed it and like helping other students. Wouldn't that be a much bigger differentiator between me and Mr. 800? Doesn't it show a certain passion and humility that's always required even in research?

Besides, outside of the hard sciences (e.g. math, physics, chemistry,etc) extracurricular activities are far more important than classroom education. You will learn far more about leadership by being a captain of a sports team that you led to the playoffs than you will sitting in a classroom where a teacher tells you all the wonderful ways you can "lead". You will learn far more about government by working as a senator's aide than by taking notes in a political science class. And you will always learn more by doing something than sitting down and learning how to do it.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20665 Posts
September 21 2008 03:42 GMT
#82
FUCK SCHOOLS AMIRITE

if you come to cal tell me.
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eborp
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
September 21 2008 04:28 GMT
#83
On September 20 2008 08:41 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I'm glad there was such a topic in TL... I really need to start researching this now (I'm a junior now).

I have some major questions about colleges.

First, how do grading scales work? Do colleges have a universal system? California had 10 point grading scale whereas Virginia Beach has 6-8-8 grading scale (so 94 is the lowest A). Does it mean I am fucked because I had two 92 and a 84 in Freshman year which makes my GPA for that year at 3.5.

Also, how do you find out which schools are strong in what departments? Is there a site that covers all or most of it or do I have to research it myself?

As for some information I collected, remember that grades and standardized testing isn't all. EC activities and essays (especially essys. I knew a person who used to be in an admission comittee, and from all the applicants that are similar in other respects, it determines admission by the essay.)

For those of you who are still junior or below, remember many colleges requre SAT Subject tests. These include your core sciences and math 1/2, foreign language etc. DO NOT expect to get a perfect because you got an A in bio or chem. The SAT subject tests are much harder than the basic science courses, and I recomment you get the prep books and start solving.

SAT I, to improve in the writing section, learn some simple grammar. The essay accounts for roughly 200 points or so while the other 600 comes from 45 questions on grammar. You can easily improve this score by mass practice and KNOWING why you missed.

Oh yeah I forgot that letters of recommendations help a lot, especially if you have ones from appropriate people (i.e. a MD/PhD researcher for going into bio).


What universities consider is how well you are doing in your school. Consider a person with 12 AP's but a 3.4 GPA and a person with a 4.0 but regular classes (both people go to same school). The colleges would much rather have the person who took the AP courses. That being said colleges evaluate you based on your school (district/state/etc) rather than take all applicants as a whole. That way someone who has taken 3 AP's when their school offers 12 and someone who took 0 AP's their school offers none aren't considered against each other. As for GPA colleges usually have their own formula (like they throw out gym etc.)

When researching schools, many publications (such as US News and World Report) offer rankings, but they usually rank based on certain criteria (like % applicants reject, etc.)

I personally say grades and standardized testing are used as markers. No matter how good ECs you have (unless they are unrealistically good, like being an olympic athlete) colleges will only look at applications which have high enough GPA and SAT. Basically what I'm saying is that after a certain point, GPA and SAT don't really matter and its ECs.

SAT 2s are really simple (at least for which ones to take). If you get to a calculus course, take SAT level 2 math. If you take any AP, take the SAT 2 in that field. Don't take more than 2 or 3 SAT 2s. Colleges only need that many.

SAT 1 is basically >=1800 is any regular private 4 year college. >=2200 is like elite colleges.
(OR you can consider it 1200/1450 if you count only math and verbal. A lot of colleges dont look at writing)

Most colleges only look at recomendations from academic classes (english, math, science, social science, foreign language). And then only the teacher.

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OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
September 21 2008 08:35 GMT
#84
the latter! they want the students to produce better and be active in the community to be contributors in the future after college. Why would you want someone who only has good grades when you can get someone with fairly the same grades and does extra work to help out the community and gain experience?
oxford may not care about what you did in your spare time or anything but the extra curricular is basically just a plus its not always like that FYI =p but its relevant during a crucial choosing time
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