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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
September 11 2008 03:48 GMT
#1
The title says it all pretty much. I'm a senior and I'm confident I could get into all but the very most selective school. Although for an expensive private school I would probably need financial aid to be able to go. I have a 4.5GPA(weighted) and a 32 on the ACT. (I got a 1940 on the SAT but meh that's not that good but i don't wanna retake it.)

How did you guys choose what college to go to? I don't want to go to the local state college, Kansas University, because I feel like I need a different experience and I want to be further than 45 minutes away.

btw: I'm thinking about majoring in engineering but I really am not sold on anything.

iceburn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States303 Posts
September 11 2008 03:53 GMT
#2
i followed the money and went where i like it
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
September 11 2008 03:53 GMT
#3
Lots of school have top notch engineering programs that you should really take time to sit down and look into. UCF (University of Central Florida) has a great engineering program, and is probably going to be where I end up for college ^^

But its not really a top notch school, and places like MIT might fit a person with your grades alot better.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 03:55:37
September 11 2008 03:54 GMT
#4
i highly suggest you retake the SAT, although you're probably doing applications right now...
my brother got into UC Berkeley with a 4.1 gpa which is below average, but he had 1560/1600 on SAT (or was it 1580?). My friend's sister had a 4.6 GPA but only a 2000 on SAT and didnt make Berkeley. she had about same extracurriculars as my brother too
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miNi
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Korea (South)2010 Posts
September 11 2008 03:55 GMT
#5
Most schools take either the ACT or the SAT so it doesn't matter.
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
September 11 2008 03:56 GMT
#6
On September 11 2008 12:54 Superiorwolf wrote:
i highly suggest you retake the SAT, although you're probably doing applications right now...
my brother got into UC Berkeley with a 4.1 gpa which is below average, but he had 1560/1600 on SAT (or was it 1580?). My friend's sister had a 4.6 GPA but only a 2000 on SAT and didnt make Berkeley. she had about same extracurriculars as my brother too


What, is there something wrong with the scales here?
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 03:59:22
September 11 2008 03:56 GMT
#7
I started at Purdue because I didn't have to work very hard to get in and it has one of the premier industrial engineering programs in the country. I also wanted to get away from my parents. Purdue also didn't care about my GPA because they realize it's a meaningless indicator from student to student. I had a 31 ACT/ 1410 SAT though.

Turns out I failed miserably as 1 of 60,000 students on campus and I kind of lost track of everything in life. Eventually transferred to a small liberal arts college an hour away from home. The distance to/from home is mostly irrelevant to me since I don't go back anyways unless I'm forced to. The atmosphere is much more manageable on a small campus. That plus the excellent faculty and public policy program drew me in.
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kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
September 11 2008 03:56 GMT
#8
wtf is this weighted shit
my school worked on a 4.0 system

1940 is kinda low, i would retake it if i were you

2200 is about the average for a top school
Clan Lzuruha
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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 03:57:28
September 11 2008 03:57 GMT
#9
On September 11 2008 12:54 Superiorwolf wrote:
i highly suggest you retake the SAT, although you're probably doing applications right now...
my brother got into UC Berkeley with a 4.1 gpa which is below average, but he had 1560/1600 on SAT (or was it 1580?). My friend's sister had a 4.6 GPA but only a 2000 on SAT and didnt make Berkeley. she had about same extracurriculars as my brother too


was your brother doing the /1600 SAT?

or else your example is saying you should do poorly ;s

edit: holy shit you guys post fast
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 11 2008 03:57 GMT
#10
On September 11 2008 12:56 XCetron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2008 12:54 Superiorwolf wrote:
i highly suggest you retake the SAT, although you're probably doing applications right now...
my brother got into UC Berkeley with a 4.1 gpa which is below average, but he had 1560/1600 on SAT (or was it 1580?). My friend's sister had a 4.6 GPA but only a 2000 on SAT and didnt make Berkeley. she had about same extracurriculars as my brother too


What, is there something wrong with the scales here?

SAT updated their tests in 2004? to include an essay and some other bullshit.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 11 2008 03:58 GMT
#11
i know my school has a relatively low focus on test scores. they look more at grades than test scores-they emphasize how low they place em.
of course i go to uchicago, which is not known for being a school that promotes partying and instead focuses on geeky pursuits.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
September 11 2008 03:59 GMT
#12
my brother took sat in 2004 when it was still out of 1600 points.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 11 2008 04:00 GMT
#13
On September 11 2008 12:58 Caller wrote:
i know my school has a relatively low focus on test scores. they look more at grades than test scores-they emphasize how low they place em.
of course i go to uchicago, which is not known for being a school that promotes partying and instead focuses on geeky pursuits.

Nice, I may have to ask you some questions later. Thinking about it for grad school. o.o
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kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
September 11 2008 04:01 GMT
#14
tucker max says that uchicago is NOT the place to go
apparently the girls are hideous, unlike girls at places like vanderbilt and duke where people are just as smart, but better looking
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
September 11 2008 04:05 GMT
#15
On September 11 2008 12:56 kpcrew wrote:
wtf is this weighted shit
my school worked on a 4.0 system

1940 is kinda low, i would retake it if i were you

2200 is about the average for a top school


Well the classes that are "honors" or "AP" weighted you get a 5.0 for an A and a 4.0 for a B. It does do some to inflate grades but I would have a 4.0 if i took all normal classes. They are soo easy.

-Thanks for the responses so far. I can definitely relate to what Jibba said because I think the same thing happened to my sister except she never transferred to a smaller school to help herself out. I also think I don't want a college that is too big. Less than 10,000 probably.
d.arkive
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States843 Posts
September 11 2008 04:08 GMT
#16
I did an early decision.
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Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
September 11 2008 04:10 GMT
#17
I visited them all and went with the one that I felt most comfortable at. I know that sounds like very general advice but it's true too.

It was between UGA, Gatech, Emory, and Uni Southern Cal for me.

Felt best at Emory and that's where I am now =D
DukE_ss
Profile Joined June 2007
United States689 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 04:12:50
September 11 2008 04:12 GMT
#18
On September 11 2008 13:10 LiLu wrote:
I visited them all and went with the one that I felt most comfortable at. I know that sounds like very general advice but it's true too.

It was between UGA, Gatech, Emory, and Uni Southern Cal for me.

Felt best at Emory and that's where I am now =D


Isn't Emory an all girls school? Maybe I'm just thinking of spelling.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
September 11 2008 04:18 GMT
#19
Money + Major. St. John's had both, gave me 16K a year and had a good pharmacy program.
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
September 11 2008 04:31 GMT
#20
I'm in Pharmacy too! =D 16k a year is a lot, im only getting 7k xD
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
September 11 2008 04:35 GMT
#21
UC Davis was the only school that accepted me so in a way, it chose me. But I love it.
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Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 11 2008 04:35 GMT
#22
On September 11 2008 13:12 DukE_ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2008 13:10 LiLu wrote:
I visited them all and went with the one that I felt most comfortable at. I know that sounds like very general advice but it's true too.

It was between UGA, Gatech, Emory, and Uni Southern Cal for me.

Felt best at Emory and that's where I am now =D


Isn't Emory an all girls school? Maybe I'm just thinking of spelling.


Nope, Emory's not an all girls school. It's one of the better private schools down south, and has a really great med program. Emory's financial aid however for me was absolutely -_-


God Bless
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
September 11 2008 04:37 GMT
#23
I think that weighted grades aren't as important as they seem, given that it becomes impossible to judge between high schools. There's no way for the courses to be of the exact same difficulties in different schools.

Despite your high GPA, I think you may have difficulty getting into schools in the top 20. Having an ACT score of 32 just barely gets you into the "range" required for schools in around 10-20. My brother got a perfect score on the ACT, 4.5 GPA, but was rejected from 5/6 top 10 schools he applied to. Also, college admissions are becoming far less about simply having the grades or the scores, but there's a heavy emphasis on extracurriculars, the essays, and basically everything else.

clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
September 11 2008 04:46 GMT
#24
Hmm because Rutgers is a state school. And I live in New Jersey

Engineering program isnt that bad either.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
September 11 2008 04:52 GMT
#25
i paid no attention and skipped every other class in high school and got stuck with Community college.

however, it is the best fucking experience ever.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 11 2008 04:58 GMT
#26
On September 11 2008 13:01 kpcrew wrote:
tucker max says that uchicago is NOT the place to go
apparently the girls are hideous, unlike girls at places like vanderbilt and duke where people are just as smart, but better looking


tucker went to uchicago

clearly something is good with the school if it produces people like tucker max
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 11 2008 05:01 GMT
#27
5.something GPA
2370 SAT

UNC Chapel Hill

Free Tuition wootwoot (thank you lovely NC School of Science and Math)
and cheap as hell in state too, pretty good school as well.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 05:03:30
September 11 2008 05:03 GMT
#28
you cant get over a 5.0???
and to get a 5.0 you need straight A's in all weighted classes.
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Kami
Profile Joined July 2008
United States127 Posts
September 11 2008 05:05 GMT
#29
I chose my school based on national rankings. I'm going to be a college freshman this fall at UCSD. My SAT score is the same as yours, 1940. UCSD is ranked around #10 in engineering. UC Berkeley is better though.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 11 2008 05:07 GMT
#30
On September 11 2008 14:01 EtherealDeath wrote:
5.something GPA
2370 SAT

UNC Chapel Hill

Free Tuition wootwoot (thank you lovely NC School of Science and Math)
and cheap as hell in state too, pretty good school as well.


Fucking UNC Chapel Hill is ridiculously easy to get into in state, but HELL out of state. You need to be like 1337 to get into Chapel Hill from outta state.

Anyways, financial aid blows if your parents make over 100k unless you go to like the Ivies, who have really generous financial aid. Anyways, I chose Northwestern over my instate Georgia schools because I seriously felt like I needed to get outta this hell hole. Plus, Emory and Tech aren't suited for me. Not interested in Med or Engineering.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 05:11:34
September 11 2008 05:10 GMT
#31
On September 11 2008 14:07 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2008 14:01 EtherealDeath wrote:
5.something GPA
2370 SAT

UNC Chapel Hill

Free Tuition wootwoot (thank you lovely NC School of Science and Math)
and cheap as hell in state too, pretty good school as well.


Fucking UNC Chapel Hill is ridiculously easy to get into in state, but HELL out of state. You need to be like 1337 to get into Chapel Hill from outta state.

Anyways, financial aid blows if your parents make over 100k unless you go to like the Ivies, who have really generous financial aid. Anyways, I chose Northwestern over my instate Georgia schools because I seriously felt like I needed to get outta this hell hole. Plus, Emory and Tech aren't suited for me. Not interested in Med or Engineering.


Financial aid is something we can only wish for haha
i got zippo
hurray for being like the only kid not getting financial aid in my town where the average income is like 250k

if you dont like science, you might wanna go for lib arts. Unless you want to do econ, in which case ring me up and I'll take you for a visit... lol
edit: going to northwestern? hmm... you may know some kids I know.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 05:32:53
September 11 2008 05:32 GMT
#32
On September 11 2008 14:05 Kami wrote:
I chose my school based on national rankings. I'm going to be a college freshman this fall at UCSD. My SAT score is the same as yours, 1940. UCSD is ranked around #10 in engineering. UC Berkeley is better though.


UCSD ftw ! =D

I chose my college because on the last day UC apps were due I was like "FUCK IT LETS APPLY TO UC's" - and I got into UCSD and UCLA and I said "fuck I dont want to go to school 20 mins from home (UCLA).. I'll go to UCSD!

my GPA was bad in hs (3.3) and I only got a 1980 SAT... but my CC GPA was ballin, and I had very neat extracurriculars and shit - published a book of poetry when I was 15 years old, so that probably helped.
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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
September 11 2008 05:40 GMT
#33
On September 11 2008 12:48 Jonoman92 wrote:
The title says it all pretty much. I'm a senior and I'm confident I could get into all but the very most selective school. Although for an expensive private school I would probably need financial aid to be able to go. I have a 4.5GPA(weighted) and a 32 on the ACT. (I got a 1940 on the SAT but meh that's not that good but i don't wanna retake it.)

How did you guys choose what college to go to? I don't want to go to the local state college, Kansas University, because I feel like I need a different experience and I want to be further than 45 minutes away.

Woah Where are you from? You sound a lot like where I was. I had really good test scores and didn't want to go to KU (my hometown), but I ended up going there anyway because, in spite of my scores, all the hard-to-get-in-to universities rejected me. But it worked out OK because KU turned out to really awesome for me. And university is really different from high school even if you're not far away, and it's nice to be able to visit enough.

Anyway don't feel like you have to go to some top ranked school or you're a failure. You can get a good education at a big state university like KU and have an awesome time as well. Actually one of my friends who did his bachelor's there was accepted at every single one of the elite grad schools he applied to, with fellowships and everything.
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Ozarugold
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
2716 Posts
September 11 2008 05:42 GMT
#34
First I tried to find out how much I wanted in life. Some people want to live like kings, others want the perfect family thingy, I just wanted a modest life. Foreseeing my future, I envisioned a dull and monotonous bachelor life. Realizing that little was required I went to a college that would put the least amount of strain on my parents and my wallet. So I chose a community college. My high school GPA was mediocre, ACT and SAT were decent, and I had a few extracurriculars under my belt but it turned out it didn't really matter. Just find out what you want and find a place where it'll help you get it, that's the simplest advice I can give.
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SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
September 11 2008 05:59 GMT
#35
I picked the best one I got into



If you got a 32 on ACT, there is no need to retake your SAT unless you thinkyou can do better than roughly 2120`. Good enough unless you apply to a strange school that doesnt accept ACT.
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
September 11 2008 06:03 GMT
#36
I was stuck between UCLA and UC Berkeley. I ended up choosing UCLA based on the feeling I got when I visited...so my advice to you is to visit the schools you apply to and determine from there. There's things you get from a visit you could never get from reading a brochure or hearing about it from a friend.
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jellyfish
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States149 Posts
September 11 2008 06:06 GMT
#37
Only go with your major IF you are totally sure you want to do it. I've changed my mind about my major to at least 7 different subjects in the year + 2 weeks I've been in school.
Money is a good idea, though I can't say I followed the money... = T For me the most important concern was getting a good foundation for whatever I was going to do later, and since I wasn't sure with my major, I gave up two major scholarships at two other colleges to go for a solid, all-around school...it wasn't omg outstanding at anything, but I figured that was safer than going to a humanities school or a science school and then realizing I didn't like the track I was on...but being unable to do anything about it.
Another advantage of going to a well-rounded school rather than a specialized one is that the student body will be more diverse, in terms of interests and views and such. My school is full of a lot of engineers, english majors, history majors, republicans, liberals, etc, and it's really interesting to go to a seminar and see all the different kinds of people there are. If I had ended up going to a liberal arts college I would be missing out on talking with all the engineers and scientists, so I'm thankful I chose a well-rounded school over the money...
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 11 2008 06:08 GMT
#38
also if you have a 4.5 weighted but don't have extracurriculars, that doesn't help... top universities don't like one dimensional people who can only get good grades (not saying you are one of those people - but I'm saying if you don't have anything besides grades and test scores, NOW is the time to work on them)
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
September 11 2008 07:04 GMT
#39
I went to Georgia Tech because it was close, free, and had a great CS program.
I went to law school at Santa Clara because it had a great IP program and a great location. Unfortunately, it wasn't free.

I think extracurriculars are mostly worthless. If you're applying to Harvard, MIT, et al, you need some national or even international awards, unique experiences, or something like that. Joining a few clubs that everyone else is in doesn't distinguish you. For "good" schools, grades and scores are enough. Those are listed on university rankings; "number of students that were on the high school cross country team" isn't.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 11 2008 07:34 GMT
#40
On September 11 2008 14:03 Superiorwolf wrote:
you cant get over a 5.0???
and to get a 5.0 you need straight A's in all weighted classes.



A's in the top classes at NCSSM were 6.0

Don't ask me why, they just did it. And all the colleges went along with it.

*Shrug*

www.ncssm.edu
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
September 11 2008 12:31 GMT
#41
It's one of the top universities in Europe, has one of the best computer science departments in the world and is in my hometown.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
September 11 2008 12:47 GMT
#42
Don't have time to read all the responses but I can give you my story.

Knew what I wanted to major in.

Checked to see which schools were good in major A.

Checked to see which schools were good in major B.

Visited all schools.

Considered financial situation.

Took the school that was best in A/B, had a campus I really liked, and was within financial limits (just barely).

This will not always work, but it did for me.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11577 Posts
September 11 2008 13:37 GMT
#43
i got shitty grades in high school, and i got accepted to 3 schools, two of which were in the middle of a city with hobo's living right outside the dorm, so i chose this place
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
September 11 2008 13:55 GMT
#44
I disliked 2 of the schools that I visited (Cornell, Carnegie Mellon), and only liked 1(U of Delaware)
My school was in-state (25 minutes from home), top 10 nationally ranked program in my major (chemical engineering), and i had a large scholarship, so I went, and haven't had a regret since, now I'm at MIT doing a Ph.D.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 14:43:29
September 11 2008 14:42 GMT
#45
Step 1: Choose the school you want to attend.

Step 2: Apply.

Step 3: If they send you an acceptance letter, good. If they send you a rejection letter, reject it.

Step 4: Attend in the fall.

Step 5: ????

Step 6: Profit!
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carotte
Profile Joined June 2008
United States32 Posts
September 11 2008 14:44 GMT
#46
I go to Stanford and my brother goes to Harvard, so we've been through the process for the elite schools. Everything that follows is in the assumption that you would consider one of the top tier schools:

ACTs are held in slightly lower regards when compared with SAT scores. For example scoring in the top 99% of SATs is better than scoring in the top 99% of ACTs. If you have a chance to retake the SATs and do better before the admissions process begins I would definitely do that.

I think the most important thing when looking for a school is in terms of opportunities available for undergraduates. Opportunities as in how good is their alumni network for career opportunities, travel opportunities, research, and much more.

So consider geographical location: is it in an urban area (Columbia, Harvard) or if you like more spread out outdoorsy type colleges (Duke, Northwestern, Princeton, Cornell) or something in between (Stanford). Consider where you want to work after you graduate, NYC, SF, abroad? China? India? Europe? Lots of school's have different connections with different areas of the world. For example the Harvard has really great ties with Europe while Stanford has terrific ones with Asia.

If possible I would highly recommend actually going to the campus, perhaps a short Thanksgiving trip to a few campuses you're considering?

Finally, if you don't retake the SATs I would recommend looking at the tier II schools: Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt, etc..

Best of luck with your application process. If you have any more questions feel free to PM me.
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carotte
Profile Joined June 2008
United States32 Posts
September 11 2008 14:54 GMT
#47
One last thing, if you're not sure on engineering look at schools that excel on a broad level. The Tier I/II schools are well known for that.

I changed my decision area of studies 3 times in 3 years. I finally settled on International Relations going into my 4th year now.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
September 11 2008 16:29 GMT
#48
On September 11 2008 23:44 carotte wrote:
ACTs are held in slightly lower regards when compared with SAT scores. For example scoring in the top 99% of SATs is better than scoring in the top 99% of ACTs. If you have a chance to retake the SATs and do better before the admissions process begins I would definitely do that.

Wow Standford and Harvard have become much less demanding of late.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 11 2008 16:41 GMT
#49
On September 12 2008 01:29 micronesia wrote:
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On September 11 2008 23:44 carotte wrote:
ACTs are held in slightly lower regards when compared with SAT scores. For example scoring in the top 99% of SATs is better than scoring in the top 99% of ACTs. If you have a chance to retake the SATs and do better before the admissions process begins I would definitely do that.

Wow Standford and Harvard have become much less demanding of late.
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i thought it was 99.5% was average unless ur asian which is 99.9%

too bad i'm asian otherwise i mightve applied lol
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
September 11 2008 17:13 GMT
#50
On September 12 2008 01:41 Caller wrote:
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On September 12 2008 01:29 micronesia wrote:
On September 11 2008 23:44 carotte wrote:
ACTs are held in slightly lower regards when compared with SAT scores. For example scoring in the top 99% of SATs is better than scoring in the top 99% of ACTs. If you have a chance to retake the SATs and do better before the admissions process begins I would definitely do that.

Wow Standford and Harvard have become much less demanding of late.
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i thought it was 99.5% was average unless ur asian which is 99.9%

too bad i'm asian otherwise i mightve applied lol

He meant top 1%.
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SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
September 11 2008 17:14 GMT
#51
I go to Salt Lake Community College lol. Mostly because I have no money and my grades are absoloutely fucking terrible from Highschool, my EC activities included drinking and smoking. Lol o well its the price I pay for my good years in school, hopefully i can get out of this CC shit after a year or two and then move up to the University of Utah :D

Basically.

Weed+Beer+No School = Community college
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
September 11 2008 19:34 GMT
#52
On September 11 2008 14:07 Roffles wrote:
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On September 11 2008 14:01 EtherealDeath wrote:
5.something GPA
2370 SAT

UNC Chapel Hill

Free Tuition wootwoot (thank you lovely NC School of Science and Math)
and cheap as hell in state too, pretty good school as well.


Fucking UNC Chapel Hill is ridiculously easy to get into in state, but HELL out of state. You need to be like 1337 to get into Chapel Hill from outta state.

Anyways, financial aid blows if your parents make over 100k unless you go to like the Ivies, who have really generous financial aid. Anyways, I chose Northwestern over my instate Georgia schools because I seriously felt like I needed to get outta this hell hole. Plus, Emory and Tech aren't suited for me. Not interested in Med or Engineering.

Yep. UNC has something ridiculous like 81% in-state attendance.
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
September 11 2008 22:20 GMT
#53
On September 11 2008 14:40 Luddite wrote:
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On September 11 2008 12:48 Jonoman92 wrote:
The title says it all pretty much. I'm a senior and I'm confident I could get into all but the very most selective school. Although for an expensive private school I would probably need financial aid to be able to go. I have a 4.5GPA(weighted) and a 32 on the ACT. (I got a 1940 on the SAT but meh that's not that good but i don't wanna retake it.)

How did you guys choose what college to go to? I don't want to go to the local state college, Kansas University, because I feel like I need a different experience and I want to be further than 45 minutes away.

Woah Where are you from? You sound a lot like where I was. I had really good test scores and didn't want to go to KU (my hometown), but I ended up going there anyway because, in spite of my scores, all the hard-to-get-in-to universities rejected me. But it worked out OK because KU turned out to really awesome for me. And university is really different from high school even if you're not far away, and it's nice to be able to visit enough.

Anyway don't feel like you have to go to some top ranked school or you're a failure. You can get a good education at a big state university like KU and have an awesome time as well. Actually one of my friends who did his bachelor's there was accepted at every single one of the elite grad schools he applied to, with fellowships and everything.


I live in the KC Metro area. Overland Park/Prairie Village to be exact. That's Shawnee Mission District btw if that might ring a bell, it's near Blue Valley and Olathe. Where are you from around here?
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
September 11 2008 22:25 GMT
#54
On September 11 2008 23:44 carotte wrote:
I go to Stanford and my brother goes to Harvard, so we've been through the process for the elite schools. Everything that follows is in the assumption that you would consider one of the top tier schools:

ACTs are held in slightly lower regards when compared with SAT scores. For example scoring in the top 99% of SATs is better than scoring in the top 99% of ACTs. If you have a chance to retake the SATs and do better before the admissions process begins I would definitely do that.

I think the most important thing when looking for a school is in terms of opportunities available for undergraduates. Opportunities as in how good is their alumni network for career opportunities, travel opportunities, research, and much more.

So consider geographical location: is it in an urban area (Columbia, Harvard) or if you like more spread out outdoorsy type colleges (Duke, Northwestern, Princeton, Cornell) or something in between (Stanford). Consider where you want to work after you graduate, NYC, SF, abroad? China? India? Europe? Lots of school's have different connections with different areas of the world. For example the Harvard has really great ties with Europe while Stanford has terrific ones with Asia.

If possible I would highly recommend actually going to the campus, perhaps a short Thanksgiving trip to a few campuses you're considering?

Finally, if you don't retake the SATs I would recommend looking at the tier II schools: Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt, etc..

Best of luck with your application process. If you have any more questions feel free to PM me.


Thanks for the advice. I'm not really gung-ho about going to a top name recognition school but I wouldn't rule it out. As for my extracurriculars I do, do sports (some varsity), work, and some other stuff so it's not like I just got decent grades.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-11 23:23:35
September 11 2008 23:22 GMT
#55
i got a 2020 sophomore year, and my gpa is 3.2
meaning idk how good it is but i doubt good enough to get you anywhere
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
September 11 2008 23:44 GMT
#56
i got a 1420/1600 SAT, 730 and 700 on SAT 2s, 3.85 unweighted GPA with 14 IB courses and 9 Pre-IB courses. In terms of extra currics, I was pretty stacked with multiple ones for each: music, sports, academic, volunteering, with a leadership position in 4 of them.

I applied to 7 schools and got into 5.

In the end my decision was between USC and Emory. Due to my family's income status flying out to visit schools was not a feasible option for me. Both gave me similar financial packages (about 35k/year in grants, 5k/year in loans). I ended up basing it off of location. I prefer LA much more to ATL. Also, I felt that USC's atmosphere of school spirit due to some awesome sports programs would be something that I would enjoy.

Unless you are a weird case, USC will not screw you over with finaid. I am currently paying ZERO this school year (covered all by grants, not loans), even though the cost of attendance is $51k. I am really grateful, as my parents income is super super low this year (FAFSA EFC is $0).

Not sure if this would be the school for you though, as the size of the school is probably larger than you're looking for, with an undergrad+grad size of around 32,000.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8093 Posts
September 17 2008 20:56 GMT
#57
I currently go to Georgia Tech. It's a pretty badass school. I'm not in an engineering degree so I'm not exactly sure how great that is, but like 80% of the students are engineering degrees and apparently the engineering programs here are awesome.

Also we have a StarCraft club starting up soon
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SiegeTanksandBlueGoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
September 17 2008 22:06 GMT
#58
College essays blow. :D

We should start a thread on tl.net after college decisions are out so we can find other people at the schools we got into with the same interests!
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
September 17 2008 22:35 GMT
#59
I realize that Canada does things quite differently than the States, but heres my take. When I was choosing which Uni/College to go to, I wasn't too concerned as long as it had a decent reputation. I am not sure what your going to major in, but I am majoring in Psychology, so my undergrad is four years. After the four years is when I leave to go to a University that is known for Psychology, so my marks from high school don't matter too much, it's how I do in Uni.
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
September 17 2008 23:07 GMT
#60
On September 11 2008 13:46 clazziquai wrote:
Hmm because Rutgers is a state school. And I live in New Jersey

Engineering program isnt that bad either.


yea im hopefully heading to rutgers next year

:cheers:
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Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
September 18 2008 01:14 GMT
#61
On September 18 2008 05:56 Ideas wrote:
I currently go to Georgia Tech. It's a pretty badass school. I'm not in an engineering degree so I'm not exactly sure how great that is, but like 80% of the students are engineering degrees and apparently the engineering programs here are awesome.

Also we have a StarCraft club starting up soon


OMG Starcraft club at Gatech? I'm at Emory, I wish we had one haha.

And Emory is not an all girls college (to whoever said it earlier, I forgot =x), I guess the name sorta sounds like it haha.

It's currently ranked 18th in the US. And as Roffles said, one of the better privates down south.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 18 2008 01:51 GMT
#62
I didn't choose my college
it chose me
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
September 18 2008 02:59 GMT
#63
:p i applied last minute to conestoga, sheridan and mohawk college in ontario
Conestoga for culinary skills, and police and justice foundations
sheridan - some law program
mohawk - business admin

Mohawk has a bad rap, sheridan was retardedly expensive and a long ass trip for my lazy ass, so conestoga was what i opted for, and basically coin flipped on which program lame i know. Never looked back though, loving the skill i picked up.
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teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-19 05:08:26
September 19 2008 05:07 GMT
#64
I got rejected from MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, and Berkeley, so I'm at Carnegie Mellon for computer science now. I chose it over UCLA and UIUC because of reputation/rankings/smaller size basically. The average starting salary for CS here is $75k. The only downside is the $50k/year, because I could have gone to state school (Purdue/IU) for free. However, after being here for a month and comparing with my friends' experiences, I think I got the best end of the deal. The academics are great here, not too hard so far, but very interesting. The social scene is surprisingly awesome (I joined a frat), and I'm having an awesome time at college. Being in a smaller university really is much better than a 50-60k student state school.
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RekcaH
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
United States190 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-19 05:17:30
September 19 2008 05:13 GMT
#65
On September 11 2008 13:35 Titusmaster6 wrote:
UC Davis was the only school that accepted me so in a way, it chose me. But I love it.


I go to Davis too, I was in the same boat. I don't know if I love it or not but it's a nice school.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 19 2008 06:25 GMT
#66
On September 18 2008 07:06 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
College essays blow. :D

We should start a thread on tl.net after college decisions are out so we can find other people at the schools we got into with the same interests!

ya!
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 19 2008 14:07 GMT
#67
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-19 17:46:45
September 19 2008 17:39 GMT
#68
i had a math leaning profile out of high school, and uchicago is like the only nonengineering place that i could go without disturbing my parents. could have gone to columbia engineering or cornell, but i didn't want to do that stuff in particular. math requires actual work!


wait wtf caller goes to uchicago. what the fuck mate. do you seriously think mccain will war russia?

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Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
September 19 2008 18:24 GMT
#69
I decided what major I wanted, and found the most affordable school with a good reputation for what I'm studying.
eborp
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
September 19 2008 22:40 GMT
#70
Meh. Applying early decision to Yale, although I'm prolly not gonna get in.
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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
September 19 2008 23:10 GMT
#71
I just decided I wanted to study psychology and applied to Leiden which seemed fun, didn't really care where it was. Now Im travelling 5 hours a day because finding a room is a fucking bitch.

Still Im so motivated I feel like nothing can stop me, really... as long as you choose something you REALLY love you don't have to worry about the rest at all.
Hippopotamus
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
1914 Posts
September 19 2008 23:12 GMT
#72
Twas simple...

GPA: 3.0, EC: nonexistent

So that was it. I was fucked. No ivies for me with that GPA even if I had gotten 1600 on the SAT (which I didn't). No scholarships either. So I just went to my state school and then left because they wouldn't give me shit in grants with 3.0 GPA. See if you fuck yourself over choosing becomes really easy, even if unpalatable.


Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
September 19 2008 23:41 GMT
#73
I'm glad there was such a topic in TL... I really need to start researching this now (I'm a junior now).

I have some major questions about colleges.

First, how do grading scales work? Do colleges have a universal system? California had 10 point grading scale whereas Virginia Beach has 6-8-8 grading scale (so 94 is the lowest A). Does it mean I am fucked because I had two 92 and a 84 in Freshman year which makes my GPA for that year at 3.5.

Also, how do you find out which schools are strong in what departments? Is there a site that covers all or most of it or do I have to research it myself?

As for some information I collected, remember that grades and standardized testing isn't all. EC activities and essays (especially essys. I knew a person who used to be in an admission comittee, and from all the applicants that are similar in other respects, it determines admission by the essay.)

For those of you who are still junior or below, remember many colleges requre SAT Subject tests. These include your core sciences and math 1/2, foreign language etc. DO NOT expect to get a perfect because you got an A in bio or chem. The SAT subject tests are much harder than the basic science courses, and I recomment you get the prep books and start solving.

SAT I, to improve in the writing section, learn some simple grammar. The essay accounts for roughly 200 points or so while the other 600 comes from 45 questions on grammar. You can easily improve this score by mass practice and KNOWING why you missed.

Oh yeah I forgot that letters of recommendations help a lot, especially if you have ones from appropriate people (i.e. a MD/PhD researcher for going into bio).
Stuck.
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
September 20 2008 00:13 GMT
#74
eh jono your lucky your at such an easy school :/ wish mine was like that. Going to be tough for be to get anywhere good since my school is hard as shit. To give you a scale, i got a 2280 on the SAT but have a 3.0 GPA, yes its pretty gay.

With those grades you can pretty much go anywhere although the SAT is a little low. just pick the college based on a couple things:

Location, Money, Specialty fields, Overall atmosphere, and of course the scholarships you receive will play a big role.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 20 2008 06:13 GMT
#75
On September 20 2008 09:13 inertinept wrote:
eh jono your lucky your at such an easy school :/ wish mine was like that. Going to be tough for be to get anywhere good since my school is hard as shit. To give you a scale, i got a 2280 on the SAT but have a 3.0 GPA, yes its pretty gay.

With those grades you can pretty much go anywhere although the SAT is a little low. just pick the college based on a couple things:

Location, Money, Specialty fields, Overall atmosphere, and of course the scholarships you receive will play a big role.

what school do you go to?
good SAT =/= good GPA
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-20 06:19:57
September 20 2008 06:17 GMT
#76
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 20 2008 10:57 GMT
#77
On September 20 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.


Yeah but why?
As a university why should they be interessted in anything but the quality of the work the student is expected to produce? Maybe they need selection methods of their own. (The skills required to score perfect grades are not exactly the same as those needed to produce good research)
But to resort to their ... sport skills? What has _that_ got to do with anything?
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
September 20 2008 19:53 GMT
#78
On September 20 2008 19:57 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote:
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.


Yeah but why?
As a university why should they be interessted in anything but the quality of the work the student is expected to produce? Maybe they need selection methods of their own. (The skills required to score perfect grades are not exactly the same as those needed to produce good research)
But to resort to their ... sport skills? What has _that_ got to do with anything?


What do you mean why? Do you think colleges want kids who don't know anything but studying? Plus, what are you gonna do if students' scores are basically the same?

like I said, universities want students who do more than just studying. They want athlete scholars, musicians, artists, and the variety on their campus, not a big nerd fest. They look for more than just grades and scores in students.

t's also a selection method since EVERYONE who apply to elite colleges have excellent academic stats. Sport was one example of countless extracurricular activities the applicants may be dedicated to.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 20 2008 19:58 GMT
#79
On September 18 2008 10:51 MYM.Testie wrote:
I didn't choose my college
it chose me

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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
September 20 2008 20:16 GMT
#80
On September 21 2008 04:53 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2008 19:57 KlaCkoN wrote:
On September 20 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote:
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.


Yeah but why?
As a university why should they be interessted in anything but the quality of the work the student is expected to produce? Maybe they need selection methods of their own. (The skills required to score perfect grades are not exactly the same as those needed to produce good research)
But to resort to their ... sport skills? What has _that_ got to do with anything?


What do you mean why? Do you think colleges want kids who don't know anything but studying? Plus, what are you gonna do if students' scores are basically the same?

like I said, universities want students who do more than just studying. They want athlete scholars, musicians, artists, and the variety on their campus, not a big nerd fest. They look for more than just grades and scores in students.

t's also a selection method since EVERYONE who apply to elite colleges have excellent academic stats. Sport was one example of countless extracurricular activities the applicants may be dedicated to.


I will probably never understand this *sighs*
If the most intelligent students are "nerds" then why don't the colleges want a "nerd fest"?
Shouldn't the goal of the university be to produce as many nobel prices as possible, period?

When I applied to oxford (A fairly prestigious uni in Europe) they didn't seem to care at all for what I did in my spare time (Not that I did anything noteworthy =P) They did however lock me in a room for an hour where they bombarded me with questions regarding the subject I was applying for, expecting me to reason my way out of them. I was accepted.
To me that seems like a more relevant way to go about it, but as said I am probably just beeing very european.
Is it perhaps because the overall status of the school is increased if the students going there are beautiful and active as well as smart? Or is it because they believe that an active student is likely to produce better results in the long run?

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Ender
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States294 Posts
September 21 2008 00:44 GMT
#81
On September 21 2008 05:16 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2008 04:53 OneOther wrote:
On September 20 2008 19:57 KlaCkoN wrote:
On September 20 2008 15:17 OneOther wrote:
On September 19 2008 23:07 KlaCkoN wrote:
Would someone mind explaining the concept of these "extracurriculars" that american unis seem to find so important? Why would a university care at all for anything that isn't acedemic potential? :S
I am probably beeing very European but I just can't comprehend this.
Sorry for beeing of topic.
On topic I would say that your pick should depend on what you want your college experience to be focused on.


Think of it this way. Stanford has 10 applicants with 4.0GPA/2350+SAT. You have room for two. Who do you choose? You choose a student who shows passion and ability in things other than academics. ECs/essays/recs are what set you apart from thousands of other students with similar academic stats.


To give you an idea,

Applicant A:
4.0 GPA, 2400 SAT
no significant ECs

Applicant B:
3.8 GPA, 2250 SAT
student government
varsity sports

they would rather pick person B.


Yeah but why?
As a university why should they be interessted in anything but the quality of the work the student is expected to produce? Maybe they need selection methods of their own. (The skills required to score perfect grades are not exactly the same as those needed to produce good research)
But to resort to their ... sport skills? What has _that_ got to do with anything?


What do you mean why? Do you think colleges want kids who don't know anything but studying? Plus, what are you gonna do if students' scores are basically the same?

like I said, universities want students who do more than just studying. They want athlete scholars, musicians, artists, and the variety on their campus, not a big nerd fest. They look for more than just grades and scores in students.

t's also a selection method since EVERYONE who apply to elite colleges have excellent academic stats. Sport was one example of countless extracurricular activities the applicants may be dedicated to.


I will probably never understand this *sighs*
If the most intelligent students are "nerds" then why don't the colleges want a "nerd fest"?
Shouldn't the goal of the university be to produce as many nobel prices as possible, period?

When I applied to oxford (A fairly prestigious uni in Europe) they didn't seem to care at all for what I did in my spare time (Not that I did anything noteworthy =P) They did however lock me in a room for an hour where they bombarded me with questions regarding the subject I was applying for, expecting me to reason my way out of them. I was accepted.
To me that seems like a more relevant way to go about it, but as said I am probably just beeing very european.
Is it perhaps because the overall status of the school is increased if the students going there are beautiful and active as well as smart? Or is it because they believe that an active student is likely to produce better results in the long run?



I think you're partly right because in the US, since colleges look at other things besides the intelligence and academic achievement of the student, many students go out of their way to do all of these extracurriculars and build up a huge resume consisting mostly of things they don't care about doing. So you have so many people doing hours of community service when they don't give a rat's shit about community service or the guy who plays an instrument just to put it on his application.

However, let me point out something about the comparison between the two applications shown before. Honestly, there really is no difference in the academic potential of the two applicants. A 4.0 compared to a 3.8? A 2400 to a 2250? What's more likely to account for the superior academic achievement of Applicant A over Applicant B? Is it more likely that Applicant A is a truly superior student who is more likely to do better in college? Or is the minute difference probably due to the immense number of environmental factors like difficulty of teachers, personal issues, etc? I got a 750/800 on the math portion of my SAT and I only got 2 questions wrong (and I was pretty sure I hadn't a single one wrong when I took it). So would the 2 questions really be the difference between me and Mr.800 who didn't make the 2 silly mistakes I made?

But now, let's say I helped organize a math competition for gifted middle school students during all four years of high school because I genuinely enjoyed it and like helping other students. Wouldn't that be a much bigger differentiator between me and Mr. 800? Doesn't it show a certain passion and humility that's always required even in research?

Besides, outside of the hard sciences (e.g. math, physics, chemistry,etc) extracurricular activities are far more important than classroom education. You will learn far more about leadership by being a captain of a sports team that you led to the playoffs than you will sitting in a classroom where a teacher tells you all the wonderful ways you can "lead". You will learn far more about government by working as a senator's aide than by taking notes in a political science class. And you will always learn more by doing something than sitting down and learning how to do it.
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United States20661 Posts
September 21 2008 03:42 GMT
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Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
September 21 2008 04:28 GMT
#83
On September 20 2008 08:41 Wala.Revolution wrote:
I'm glad there was such a topic in TL... I really need to start researching this now (I'm a junior now).

I have some major questions about colleges.

First, how do grading scales work? Do colleges have a universal system? California had 10 point grading scale whereas Virginia Beach has 6-8-8 grading scale (so 94 is the lowest A). Does it mean I am fucked because I had two 92 and a 84 in Freshman year which makes my GPA for that year at 3.5.

Also, how do you find out which schools are strong in what departments? Is there a site that covers all or most of it or do I have to research it myself?

As for some information I collected, remember that grades and standardized testing isn't all. EC activities and essays (especially essys. I knew a person who used to be in an admission comittee, and from all the applicants that are similar in other respects, it determines admission by the essay.)

For those of you who are still junior or below, remember many colleges requre SAT Subject tests. These include your core sciences and math 1/2, foreign language etc. DO NOT expect to get a perfect because you got an A in bio or chem. The SAT subject tests are much harder than the basic science courses, and I recomment you get the prep books and start solving.

SAT I, to improve in the writing section, learn some simple grammar. The essay accounts for roughly 200 points or so while the other 600 comes from 45 questions on grammar. You can easily improve this score by mass practice and KNOWING why you missed.

Oh yeah I forgot that letters of recommendations help a lot, especially if you have ones from appropriate people (i.e. a MD/PhD researcher for going into bio).


What universities consider is how well you are doing in your school. Consider a person with 12 AP's but a 3.4 GPA and a person with a 4.0 but regular classes (both people go to same school). The colleges would much rather have the person who took the AP courses. That being said colleges evaluate you based on your school (district/state/etc) rather than take all applicants as a whole. That way someone who has taken 3 AP's when their school offers 12 and someone who took 0 AP's their school offers none aren't considered against each other. As for GPA colleges usually have their own formula (like they throw out gym etc.)

When researching schools, many publications (such as US News and World Report) offer rankings, but they usually rank based on certain criteria (like % applicants reject, etc.)

I personally say grades and standardized testing are used as markers. No matter how good ECs you have (unless they are unrealistically good, like being an olympic athlete) colleges will only look at applications which have high enough GPA and SAT. Basically what I'm saying is that after a certain point, GPA and SAT don't really matter and its ECs.

SAT 2s are really simple (at least for which ones to take). If you get to a calculus course, take SAT level 2 math. If you take any AP, take the SAT 2 in that field. Don't take more than 2 or 3 SAT 2s. Colleges only need that many.

SAT 1 is basically >=1800 is any regular private 4 year college. >=2200 is like elite colleges.
(OR you can consider it 1200/1450 if you count only math and verbal. A lot of colleges dont look at writing)

Most colleges only look at recomendations from academic classes (english, math, science, social science, foreign language). And then only the teacher.

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OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
September 21 2008 08:35 GMT
#84
the latter! they want the students to produce better and be active in the community to be contributors in the future after college. Why would you want someone who only has good grades when you can get someone with fairly the same grades and does extra work to help out the community and gain experience?
oxford may not care about what you did in your spare time or anything but the extra curricular is basically just a plus its not always like that FYI =p but its relevant during a crucial choosing time
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