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Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
September 10 2008 11:43 GMT
#1
I realize that this might be the wrong thing to ask BUT! I really want to know how to play the juggernaut in dota well T_T Just what items to get really and when to get the ulti. In a normal game I go for (and in this order):

Strength Gauntlets
Fury
S&Y
BoT
Butterfly
Heart of Tarrasque

And I get the ulti at level 10.

Am I doing it right? T_T

< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
September 10 2008 11:51 GMT
#2
You can afford all that in one single game? and what is BoT?
I'm far from a DOTA expert so I'm afraid I can't help you..
aev
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
166 Posts
September 10 2008 12:01 GMT
#3
BoT - Boots of Travel
imo, you should go for Bottle at the beginning, and farm at least 2 Wraith Bands/Bracers, then go for Deso. SnY is good if you got killed early on or if you can't farm properly. Other than that your build seems fine.
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
September 10 2008 12:13 GMT
#4
lol boots of travel.. of course.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
September 10 2008 12:14 GMT
#5
So I'm left with what at the end?

2wraiths/bracers
deso
fury
BoT
butterfly
heart
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
eazo
Profile Joined March 2008
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 12:25:34
September 10 2008 12:22 GMT
#6
On September 10 2008 20:43 Spenguin wrote:
I realize that this might be the wrong thing to ask BUT! I really want to know how to play the juggernaut in dota well T_T Just what items to get really and when to get the ulti. In a normal game I go for (and in this order):

Strength Gauntlets
Fury
S&Y
BoT
Butterfly
Heart of Tarrasque

And I get the ulti at level 10.

Am I doing it right? T_T

First things first. Those are awesome items, however its fat chance that your going to get all of them in one game unless your dominating. however, heres a good stats build.

Blade Fury
Stats
Blade Fury
Stats
Blade Fury
Omnislash
Blade Fury
Stats
Stats
Stats
Omnislash
Blade Dance or Healing Ward
Blade Dance or Healing Ward
Blade Dance or Healing Ward
Blade Dance or Healing Ward
Omnislash
Healing Ward or Blade Dance
Healing Ward or Blade Dance
Healing Ward or Blade Dance
Healing Ward or Blade Dance
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats
Stats

Why stats? b/c yunero relies HEAVILY on blade fury early on, with a few extra points, he becomes much more effective early on. With stats, it also allows the jugg to use both blade fury and omnislash one right after the other at lvl 6. Also, you should pick healing ward when your team is big on pushing, this will help tremendously, however, if they enjoy farming and ganking more than pushing, go for the blade dance earlier.

Also, items. You need something to build off of. Going straight for fury/S&Y right out of the gates is dangerous unless you have a good lane and are farming well. I would suggest getting 3 bracers (juggs life is low), a bottle (for ganking w/. his low mana pool), and BoT. After that you can go for the exspensive items such as butterfly, radiance (better than battlefury) or S&Y.

I'm going to look for the guide i got all of this info on. I remember reading it a while back, ill look for it and edit it in.

edit: Found it rather quickly!

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=179818

This is where i got my build for using the jugg and the guid itself is very exstensive. Although its a little on the old side, he hasn't changed that much making him still very useful. Also, he goes into great detail about how to play him. Check it out.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
September 10 2008 12:27 GMT
#7
I've looked at that as well, I have been able to get all those items a few times playing with some mates, I usually end up winning without heart and rarely butterfly.
< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
September 10 2008 14:28 GMT
#8
I think SnY is a really overrated item. It's staple for some heroes like TB and SB, but your hero really needs to benefit from all of the buffs. Its saving grace is imo the good step up items, but that doesn't mean you need to get it for every single str/agi hero in the game. I'd much rather get Deso as your orb, since it's great for raw damage and helps omnislash dmg a lot. I also don't know what all the Bfury craze is about, especially for carrying candidates like jugger, since it doesn't add that much DPS for its cost. It might be good if you're jungling and for pushing, but i still think it's too expensive to get just for farming at the cost of delaying your other items. I also don't see it synergizing very well with Omnislash, but i might be wrong as i don't play jugger all too often.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4904 Posts
September 10 2008 15:40 GMT
#9
Eh, Deso doesn't help Omnislash damage for shit unless you got a shitton of atk. speed already. And without items, you don't.

Please if you comment about Omnislash read the mechanics of it first, 'cause my eyes are bleeding from your comment.

Duh.

Thing is, Jugger is doing fixed amount of damage while omnislashing (~200 I believe, bit more), BUT if you got nice attack speed, he tries to do normal attacks inbetween - and if you got atk. speed, he succeeds, tremendously upping his ulti's damage. Battle Fury is good for owning noobs and a-move farming, otherwise it's terrible. Learn to last hit instead, that'll help you a lot more than buying battle fury 24/7.

The build suggested above is good. You don't benefit shit from crits early on while you lack both the attack speed / damage / survivability to hit on targets. You rely on blade fury, and blade fury needs hp and mana -> stats. If you had an OK amount of farming, you should be getting wards / blade dance around lvl 12, as it'll be needed in the midgame when fury slowly starts to lose effectiveness.

Items: SnY sucks cock for Jugger, period. Spend that 5k elsewhere. Deso is ok, but as I said, you need attack speed before you can use it properly. Butterfly would be the best, but unless your opponents are clueless newbies, you'll have a hard time rushing for it. MKB also blows cock for jugger.

What then? Well, Wraith Bands. Thousands of them! Or at least two. If you can get it, BoT instantly, if you can't, just go STR treads as you need the hp, and the hp you get from there fixes that. I would try Butterfly -> Heart OR AC (dependant on opposing team's LU) from here on.

Bottom line: The extra normal hits for omnislash occur more often if you don't jump around inbetween targets (i.e.: enemy heroes are clumped, or you catch 1-2 out of position in the jungle with nothing nearby)

Bottom line #2: this blog doesn't belong to this site =[

Bottom line #3: get into TL dota to see why Testie isn't playing BW anymore!
Complete the cycle!
Lyrok
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany85 Posts
September 10 2008 16:18 GMT
#10
If you want to play a good Jugger, you have to start Boots / Tangos to abuse BFury early game. It's hands down the best build to start the game with, that is unless you fuck up your BFurys.

In general, boots first suck, but on Jugger its just gold, if you ambush them it should net you first blood @ lvl 1 on a lane with a decent stun / slow hero, so you can get some stat items (circlets / branches). As Naib already said, SnY / BF / Radi aren't the best choice, but if you play pubs or know your team is superior anyway, they can get you some sweet kill streaks.

In balanced games with experienced players you will need all the HP & attack speed you can get though, so bfly / heart and similar items are your friends.
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 16:26:23
September 10 2008 16:25 GMT
#11
I haven't played in a long time (like a year+, so probably stuff has changed alot now and I'm totally wrong) but previous viable builds are

sny + bot

radiance + skadi

BoT always very necessary because you need to be mobile + your spinning thing, whatever it's called, benefits a LOT from it because nobody will outrun you.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 17:07:50
September 10 2008 17:05 GMT
#12
On September 11 2008 00:40 Naib wrote:
Eh, Deso doesn't help Omnislash damage for shit unless you got a shitton of atk. speed already. And without items, you don't.

Please if you comment about Omnislash read the mechanics of it first, 'cause my eyes are bleeding from your comment.

Duh.

Thing is, Jugger is doing fixed amount of damage while omnislashing (~200 I believe, bit more), BUT if you got nice attack speed, he tries to do normal attacks inbetween - and if you got atk. speed, he succeeds, tremendously upping his ulti's damage. Battle Fury is good for owning noobs and a-move farming, otherwise it's terrible. Learn to last hit instead, that'll help you a lot more than buying battle fury 24/7.

The build suggested above is good. You don't benefit shit from crits early on while you lack both the attack speed / damage / survivability to hit on targets. You rely on blade fury, and blade fury needs hp and mana -> stats. If you had an OK amount of farming, you should be getting wards / blade dance around lvl 12, as it'll be needed in the midgame when fury slowly starts to lose effectiveness.

Items: SnY sucks cock for Jugger, period. Spend that 5k elsewhere. Deso is ok, but as I said, you need attack speed before you can use it properly. Butterfly would be the best, but unless your opponents are clueless newbies, you'll have a hard time rushing for it. MKB also blows cock for jugger.

What then? Well, Wraith Bands. Thousands of them! Or at least two. If you can get it, BoT instantly, if you can't, just go STR treads as you need the hp, and the hp you get from there fixes that. I would try Butterfly -> Heart OR AC (dependant on opposing team's LU) from here on.

Bottom line: The extra normal hits for omnislash occur more often if you don't jump around inbetween targets (i.e.: enemy heroes are clumped, or you catch 1-2 out of position in the jungle with nothing nearby)

Bottom line #2: this blog doesn't belong to this site =[

Bottom line #3: get into TL dota to see why Testie isn't playing BW anymore!

So i didn't know everything about omnislash's mechanics. That's still only one third of my post and my other two points still stand, so try not to be so condescending when you post.
Edit: I also never implied that you should rush Deso, only that it was a better orb for jugger.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-10 17:07:14
September 10 2008 17:05 GMT
#13
why would you go straight deso? so you can have a shit HP hero who can't even catch up to his enemy?

rushing radiance is always iffy, and rushing skadi is always retarded

and s&y is definitely viable on jugg
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
September 10 2008 20:16 GMT
#14
Always try to equip yourself with:

stimpacks: to increase your attack rate
metabolic boost: get away from your enemies
adrenal glands: even more attack rate
Armor +1: to resist hits
Psi Storm: you become imba

gg?
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