EPThttp://www.filefactory.com/file/7b8305/n/orgon3_mid
Edit: btw for those of you who missed it, read my previous blog entry where I put a lot of great stuff.
A song I wrote
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micronesia
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http://www.filefactory.com/file/7b8305/n/orgon3_mid Edit: btw for those of you who missed it, read my previous blog entry where I put a lot of great stuff. | ||
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Skittled
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 15:43 Skittled wrote: thats not as good as i expected, 3/10 Lol, the intentional disregard for the disclaimer and incorrect rating system used really make this post. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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<3 micronesia | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 15:49 HeavOnEarth wrote: that being said your song is off scale T_TT How? What does that mean? | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 16:01 HeavOnEarth wrote: A musical scale? O_o .. Can you explain how it differs from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_scale Edit: C major? | ||
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JohnColtrane
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being 'off scale' means using notes that arent in the scale you are using (theres no rule stating you have to use any scales or that u cant add tensions or switch scales) if ur using c major, any notes except for C D E F G A B are 'off scale' | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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and.. all scales have letters A-G and.. you need to follow this "pattern" W= whole, H = half step W,W,H,W,W,W,H For example G - A - B - C - D - E - F# - G W W H W W W H there is a F# (sharp) because u need a WHOLE step and E-F is a half step, therefore u put a sharp, where is essentially another half step, and 2 half steps = whole step, likewise F-> G is a whole step, so obviously F# -> G , is only a half step ! | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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(theres no rule stating you have to use any scales or that u cant add tensions or switch scales) yes of course i took that into consideration but then again I don't have much formal music training, So it's either he used pretty good musicianship and taste to construct a variety of scales that flows through the song , enriching it, or he just messed up a little bit so i assumed the latter D: | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On August 18 2008 16:44 HeavOnEarth wrote: Either way I just play by ear, i can usually tell if there is a sour note, unless it's like the egyptian scale or w/e ; don't get me wrong though; everyone has to start with all the basic chords / scales ; i just don't need them ; kinda like how you don't need to see the construction bar/idle larva for workers in SC ; you just know another one needs to be built. theres lots of different scales, id be suprised if you could hear each particular tone and dictate whatever scale it is, especially since alot of the time the scale wont start on the tonic (in popular music anyway) do you mean you can tell if theres a sour note in the more common scales, like maj/minor, pentatonic, whole, diatonic etc? | ||
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JohnColtrane
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 edit: the video sounds awesome | ||
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 16:40 HeavOnEarth wrote: Um... well the real basic thing is u there is a whole step, between every note, except for B-C and.. E-F, which are half steps and.. all scales have letters A-G and.. you need to follow this "pattern" W= whole, H = half step W,W,H,W,W,W,H For example G - A - B - C - D - E - F# - G W W H W W W H there is a F# (sharp) because u need a WHOLE step and E-F is a half step, therefore u put a sharp, where is essentially another half step, and 2 half steps = whole step, likewise F-> G is a whole step, so obviously F# -> G , is only a half step ! This seems to explain the little bit I already knew, and now I sorta understand where it comes from to begin with. It's an interesting thing I might learn more about. That aside, if you are in C major, and don't indicate any flats or sharps, how can you be off a scale or out of key or whatever? | ||
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 16:50 JohnColtrane wrote: by the way, is that program free? i compose songs using the almighty power tab The evaluation version can be downloaded, but you can only save a song 10 times in nwc format. It seems you can save midis as many times as you want (and can import them back in) so it's not impossible to keep improving a song if you run out of saves, but it will format it much differently when you import it. There are probably some other limitations as well. It's like 40 bucks iirc for the actual, or you can easily evade the protection if that's your preference. As you can see from the video, I was using the evaluation version. | ||
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
key is different, have you indicated a key in the key signature on the left? ill see if i can steal the full copy | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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I mean when i play music and i miss a note ; i can usually tell when it's sour , because I'm accustomed to playing it do you mean you can tell if theres a sour note in the more common scales, like maj/minor, pentatonic, whole, diatonic etc? im pretty sure i can identify those though and C major is the easiest one heh T.T | ||
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote: and C major is the easiest one heh T.T But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point? | ||
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JohnColtrane
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JohnColtrane
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On August 18 2008 16:56 micronesia wrote: But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point? maybe he wasnt looking at the notes, and just heard you scale up from like a C to a E and assumed you were going out of scale? i dont know, some people have incredible ears and mine arent too flash | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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On August 18 2008 16:56 micronesia wrote: But I didn't use any sharps so how was I out of C major at any point? no I was just wondering how i should admit i made a mistake without looking like too much of an idiot | ||
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HeavOnEarth
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micronesia
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JohnColtrane
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On August 18 2008 16:59 HeavOnEarth wrote: no I was just wondering how i should admit i made a mistake without looking like too much of an idiot hahaha that sounds like something i would do, except i would try to pass it off as if i was kidding or something | ||
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JohnColtrane
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On August 18 2008 17:01 micronesia wrote: Ah ok, I'm not trying to blame anyone; just trying to understand the deal since I'm so new to the topic at hand. Btw is there a reasonably simple explanation for the pattern you provided before (full step, full step, half step, full step, etc)? Why is it like that? I assume the piano was designed to illustrate this principle (positioning of black keys) specifically for this reason... i dont know the exact reason, but it works well when ur creating scales and chords from the major scale. my guess is the half steps in the scale are to even out the two notes that have no sharps, b and e. but theres probably a better reason | ||
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 17:05 JohnColtrane wrote: i dont know the exact reason, but it works well when ur creating scales and chords from the major scale. my guess is the half steps in the scale are to even out the two notes that have no sharps, b and e. but theres probably a better reason Ironically I taught a college laboratory class titled "The Physics of Music" but it was so specific that I mastered the specific topics/applications without knowing much about music theory. One thing I recall is that you go up one octave by doubling the frequency of the sound wave :D The rules for scales and the like are probably linked theoretically to the numerical value of frequencies of each note... | ||
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BottleAbuser
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micronesia
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On August 18 2008 17:33 BottleAbuser wrote: The one thing I remember from high school physics (related to this, that is) is that two sources that are slightly off from each other will result in an oscillating amplitude. Useful, apparently, for estimating by ear how off some instrument is. Lol beats. I'm not sure if this is at all relevant though. | ||
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Ancestral
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On August 18 2008 16:53 HeavOnEarth wrote: i didn't mean anything like listening to every song and nit picking every single sour note; I mean when i play music and i miss a note ; i can usually tell when it's sour , because I'm accustomed to playing it im pretty sure i can identify those though and C major is the easiest one heh T.T When you use harmonies involving fourths and fifths, something is bound to sound weird because the 5th of the 7th is flat and the 4th of the 4th is sharp, he wrote everything in C. But that's life I suppose. Edit: To clarify Fifths and fourths aren't a common harmony in western music, so that's why it sounds "off," coupled with the fact that when you have a constant harmony 4 or 5 scale tones above the root, you'll rum into the tritone, which is 3 whole steps above the root note and sounds unpleasant, coupled with the already awkward sound of a fourth or fifth harmony. But regardless, I actually think those harmonies are really cool, because they are underutilized. | ||
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JohnColtrane
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i agree with fourths not being used much | ||
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ShloobeR
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But I could never get used to these Midi programs, it's all about Modplug Tracker! | ||
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Flakes
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Also, I've never heard anyone say off-scale before in my life O.o I always thought the term was off-key. Cool song, especially if it's your first | ||
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Chromyne
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BTW, Coltrane your sig is pure truth! | ||
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MooNDog.
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Ancestral
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On August 18 2008 20:12 JohnColtrane wrote: fifths are plenty common in western music, cadences to fifths are especially common in jazz i agree with fourths not being used much Well in jazz there aren't constant diads all the time. I just mean when double stops are being played, 3rds and 6ths are more common. But I concede 5th harmonies exist (and hence 4ths, because it's the same interval in reverse order). | ||
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