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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 09:13:24
August 09 2008 09:06 GMT
#1
I was really bored, and depressed when I wrote this out. I'm curious to know what some of you may think. Not just about what I wrote, but what is the true purpose behind life. If any?



Life is pointless from a non-religious, or if you don't believe in an afterlife. We live and we die. Plain and simple. Why should you bother waking up in the morning to do anything? There ultimately is no point in doing anything. If we die, anything you’ve ever felt, and done is completely irrelevant. All your emotions and your goals simply don’t matter.

When you die, you will be missed by your loved ones. But that love is pointless, they’ll die, the people who loved them will die, and it continues this way forever. Not just their love is pointless either, they themselves are pointless. Their lives mean nothing, just as much as yours means nothing.

Since its all for nothing, what is the point of hanging onto your petty existence. The people you hurt if you kill yourself is nothing to be sorry about. Their emotions do not matter, because they will die too, and their consciousness will go with them. No more guilt and no more pain. The harm you cause will go unnoticed with time.

Think of life in this manner:

You start to build a house from the time you are born. When you die the house burns down. Only the remains are left behind, but with time the remains will vanish too. Leaving little to no trace of the house. Eventually even the traces will vanish.

Non-metaphorically:

You are born, you spend your life making something of yourself. Then you die, and all your life’s work is gone. People will remember you, then those people die, meaning you’ll be completely forgotten.



The bottom line is, everything has no meaning.


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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
August 09 2008 09:15 GMT
#2
so do what you love o___O
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 09 2008 09:16 GMT
#3
On August 09 2008 18:06 Krohm wrote:
The bottom line is, everything has no meaning.


From a non-religious point of view.

The thing is I've been thinking at exactly what you posted for about 2-3 weeks now and I couldn't agree more. There is absolutely no piece of tangible evidence that would be universally accepted as the proof of the existence of an afterlife or a God.

So we all just believe what we want, what we can and in the end it might of might not be true.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
Trainninja
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia105 Posts
August 09 2008 09:17 GMT
#4
I think its happiness and pleasure.

I used to think like that. I mean when i enter the workforce, its going to be work 5 days a week, go home to sleep, wait for weekend, do nothing at weekend etc etc.

I guess that's how people get into a midlife crisis. So if i have something i REALLY REALLY REALLY want to do, that keeps me going.

Pretty selfish reasoning but that has always been my personal theory.
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
August 09 2008 09:18 GMT
#5
i actually think along these exact thoughts quite often. it really pisses me off, especially thinking about getting a job for my whole life when it is so fucking useless. i also think about this when i'm stressed out or worried about something. it just helps me step out and look at how minuscule all this bs is so who gives a shit.
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
August 09 2008 09:21 GMT
#6
Happiness and pleasure is still quite irrelevant.

Looking from that point of view humans are no more different that animals, we just feed, reproduce and sleep. Even if our reasoning abilities are superior that does not make us a lot more different.

So life is still pointless.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 09:24:16
August 09 2008 09:22 GMT
#7
It's fairly easy to arrive at the conclusion you have, but probably pointless. Live life the way you want to live it. Enjoy it. It isn't anywhere near as long as it seems like while you're still young. Much better to push yourself through life and realize it was kinda pointless, than to regret your decision not to live your life.

I also don't like the idea that the suffering of family/friends if you commit suicide is irrelevant. If pushing a button meant that a trillion people would be brutally tortured for 50 years straight, it wouldn't matter in the slightest if you pushed the button or not, simply because they'd all forget about it when they died?
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
August 09 2008 09:23 GMT
#8
This only makes sense if you think the purpose of life is to exist eternally, whether by actually living or through other people's memories of you.
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
August 09 2008 09:33 GMT
#9
ITS NOT THE DESTINATION ITS THE JOURNEY YOU TAKE
Multiply your efforts.
greatmeh
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Canada1964 Posts
August 09 2008 09:35 GMT
#10
we are merely mortal beings that try to live a life of happiness, being depressed is a chemical reaction in your brain.

if you want to find meanings in life this is what I think
human beigns do 2 things here on earth :
We work (for a means with a end; to achieve something to benefit the greater good, to start something for the soul purpose of it ending, to prove a point or to benefit humanity as one.)
We play (for means with no end, to pleasure yourself and your general desires and needs, to have fun, to enjoy yourself and to enjoy life, people, your surroundings, to start something having no intentions or without thinking about it ever ending.)

for example: today you woke up and went to work, the entire day you were thinking about ending work, so you can play. Therefore work is there for a means with a ending, you want it to end asap, after work you go out with your friends, play, have fun, get drunk, without ever thinking of it ending, a means with no intentional ending.

So, therefore, the meaning of life is simple, simple is bliss.
You must combine work and play, if work is your play, then you have achieved the basics in the meaning of life. Then you ask, what after, you just wait and die? Well, my friend, yes, exactly. You wait and die, maybe you'll be famous, probably not. But ever since humans walked this earth it has been like this so there is absolutely no use complaining. Sad feeling is nothing but chemical reactions in your brain.
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
August 09 2008 09:48 GMT
#11
On August 09 2008 18:33 kdog3683 wrote:
ITS NOT THE DESTINATION ITS THE JOURNEY YOU TAKE


The journey pretty much suck.
Wake up
Study
PLAY DOTA
Hang out with friends
Sleep

as you grow older this things change to:
Wake up
Work
Work
Sleep

I agree with the op, that's why i WOULD like to believe that there is something after death.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 09 2008 10:20 GMT
#12
You propagate your species. This is relevant. Also, luckily for us humans, fun.
LiAlH4
Profile Joined October 2007
New Zealand111 Posts
August 09 2008 10:50 GMT
#13
I understand what you're trying to say - that if everything we ever do or accomplish will some day in the future be meaningless, then what is the purpose of ever doing it?
But I think Blind raises a good objection to your argument.

On August 09 2008 18:23 Blind wrote:
This only makes sense if you think the purpose of life is to exist eternally, whether by actually living or through other people's memories of you.


I think this is something you need to think about before pronouncing that all mortal life is meaningless. What you should ask yourself is, "If I was immortal, how does perpetually existing make life more meaningful than if it were to some day end?"
Asking this question will probably lead you down one of two paths of thinking - either it IS the perpetuity afforded by immortal life that gives life meaning or, alternatively, immortal life is also meaningless.
I think the first path of thinking is incorrect because I don't really see what about being immortal makes life more meaningful than if you are mortal, although I'm not sure if I can explain why (I'll try, though). And as for the second path of thinking... I guess that's what you have to decide for yourself, although my personal view is that all life can have meaning.

In the first case (perpetuity does afford meaning), if you were to set your argument out, it would go something like this:
Some things might have meaning.
In order for something to have meaning, it must have meaning during all future time.
Additionally, something must be experienced to have meaning.
If experience is limited by time (i.e. mortal), then nothing can have meaning as it will not have meaning for all future time.
If experience is not limited by time (i.e. immortal), then everything can potentially have meaning, as it will have meaning for all future time.

But I think this argument is wrong because:
Let us imagine a world in which experience is not limited by time (i.e. immortal)
If something can have meaning, then at any given time since its conception, the meaning must exist.
So even if someone with an experience limited by time exists, the meaning must still exist at a given time.
So if something can have meaning to an immortal, it must also have meaning to a mortal.
Therefore, meaning does not require that meaning exists for all future time.

I suppose you could argue that something that has meaning to an immortal person does not necessarily have meaning to a mortal person, which i assumed. But meh.

Now my personal view on the second case (immortal life is also meaningless):
I suppose I divide things in life that have meaning into two general categories: things that are worthwhile, and things that fulfill a purpose.

Things that are worthwhile are things which serve no purpose whatsoever in the greater scheme of things. Like kdog mentioned, "it's not the destination its the journey you take."
Depending on who you are and your outlook on life, this could vary from just the things you take pleasure from to all experience, including the suffering. Does it really matter if you have some greater purpose in the "greater scheme of things" or not, so long as as you go through life you experience things that bring you joy and happiness. I know sometimes looking at the sky or the sea I am so overwhelmed with the experience of something so immense and beautiful that I feel that that in itself is worthwhile.
I'm not saying that the purpose of life is to go off and get as much pleasure as possible. Rather that that there is purpose in simply experiencing and taking part in life - part of which is pleasure.
Of course alot of you probably disagree, it sure sounds like it. However, when someone asks you what you would do if you knew you had only 1 day until the world ended, most peoples' immediate thought is to experience all the aspects of the world that they haven't had a chance to yet, or re-experience the most enjoyable aspects of the world - be it telling someone special that you love them and sharing that intimate moment, or trying to climb that mountain that you never got around to, or playing Nada in a best of 5 and winning...
The reason people act this way is because the thing people value the most is not having their name remembered for a million years to come, but rather having experienced life to its fullest.. that in itself is purpose.

I also think that things that do have a purpose in some "greater scheme of things" do not have to last forever to be meaningful.
I do not pretend to know what the purpose of life is. If God does exist, then it might be to worship him. If we consider evolution, some people might conclude that the purpose of life is to ensure the survival of their genetic material. If we have other spiritual beliefs, it may be the case that our perceived purpose in life is self-improvement, to become the best being we possibly can.
I do know that I believe there is some purpose to life. And I also believe that striving to find and fulfill that purpose gives my life meaning.
I think most people believe this too, whether they realise it or not. It's the only reason why soldiers will dive in the line of fire, dying to save a friend or mothers will rush into a burning building to save a child.
Tehpanda
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States59 Posts
August 09 2008 11:50 GMT
#14
Think of time as both the giver and the taker. As you were being born, time was slowly erasing those who came before you. It took the old and renewed it- water evaporates into the air to rain down again, great structures erode into sand, so that they may be reshaped and made once again into great structures. At one point, the fiercest dinosaurs dominated the planet, and yet time has taken their reign and from it has given us the gift of fossilization. And you have taken the carbon and hydrogen and oxygen and all the elements of life that time has offered you; you have taken them and impacted the present world you live in. Your family and your friends have deep bonds with you emotionally. You visit online communities to express your ideas and philosophy. You are stimulated mentally and physically by the rigors of daily life. All this while, old cells are multiplying, old skin is shedding, oxygen is being converted to energy and dispersed as carbon dioxide. All this is slowly erasing the past, to give you the valuable gift of the present.

And then you have the nerve to make time the enemy: you claim that it takes and it takes. It takes your youth and then it takes your life and then it takes the memory of you and it takes your accomplishments and because of this, it takes away meaning. You accuse time of being the great Destroyer in life, when in actuality it is the great Balancer. To live life by only placing value in the future, in legacy, is foolish. You must place meaning in this present, as it is the most valuable gift time has to offer. Millenia of humankind have had their own legacies jeapordized to give you the very life they once cherished- and yet you never look backwards at the sacrifice that they all had to make, or look at yourself to see the gifts you've inherited, but instead look to the future to see the sacrifice you must eventually make as well, and you despise it.

If you cannot find meaning in life, then you cannot appreciate the majestic balance of time, and for that I am very sorry.

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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away

-Percy Bysshe Shelley


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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
August 09 2008 12:36 GMT
#15
If you think the point of ... well, stuff, is to do something other than (paraphrasing) "die and be remembered by people who will die so you'll be totally forgotten," yeah, that can be depressing.

I also think it's sad that you think that way. You're missing out on living for yourself.
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 09 2008 13:50 GMT
#16
A Free Man's Worship

by Bertrand Russell
A brief introduction: "A Free Man's Worship" (first published as "The Free Man's Worship" in Dec. 1903) is perhaps Bertrand Russell's best known and most reprinted essay. Its mood and language have often been explained, even by Russell himself, as reflecting a particular time in his life; "it depend(s)," he wrote in 1929, "upon a metaphysic which is more platonic than that which I now believe in." Yet the essay sounds many characteristic Russellian themes and preoccupations and deserves consideration--and further serious study--as an historical landmark of early-twentieth-century European thought. For a scholarly edition with some documentation, see Volume 12 of The Collected Papers of Bertrand Russell, entitled Contemplation and Action, 1902-14 (London, 1985; now published by Routledge).

To Dr. Faustus in his study Mephistopheles told the history of the Creation, saying:

"The endless praises of the choirs of angels had begun to grow wearisome; for, after all, did he not deserve their praise? Had he not given them endless joy? Would it not be more amusing to obtain undeserved praise, to be worshipped by beings whom he tortured? He smiled inwardly, and resolved that the great drama should be performed.

"For countless ages the hot nebula whirled aimlessly through space. At length it began to take shape, the central mass threw off planets, the planets cooled, boiling seas and burning mountains heaved and tossed, from black masses of cloud hot sheets of rain deluged the barely solid crust. And now the first germ of life grew in the depths of the ocean, and developed rapidly in the fructifying warmth into vast forest trees, huge ferns springing from the damp mould, sea monsters breeding, fighting, devouring, and passing away. And from the monsters, as the play unfolded itself, Man was born, with the power of thought, the knowledge of good and evil, and the cruel thirst for worship. And Man saw that all is passing in this mad, monstrous world, that all is struggling to snatch, at any cost, a few brief moments of life before Death's inexorable decree. And Man said: `There is a hidden purpose, could we but fathom it, and the purpose is good; for we must reverence something, and in the visible world there is nothing worthy of reverence.' And Man stood aside from the struggle, resolving that God intended harmony to come out of chaos by human efforts. And when he followed the instincts which God had transmitted to him from his ancestry of beasts of prey, he called it Sin, and asked God to forgive him. But he doubted whether he could be justly forgiven, until he invented a divine Plan by which God's wrath was to have been appeased. And seeing the present was bad, he made it yet worse, that thereby the future might be better. And he gave God thanks for the strength that enabled him to forgo even the joys that were possible. And God smiled; and when he saw that Man had become perfect in renunciation and worship, he sent another sun through the sky, which crashed into Man's sun; and all returned again to nebula.

"`Yes,' he murmured, `it was a good play; I will have it performed again.'"

Such, in outline, but even more purposeless, more void of meaning, is the world which Science presents for our belief. Amid such a world, if anywhere, our ideals henceforward must find a home. That Man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins--all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain, that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul's habitation henceforth be safely built.

How, in such an alien and inhuman world, can so powerless a creature as Man preserve his aspirations untarnished? A strange mystery it is that Nature, omnipotent but blind, in the revolutions of her secular hurryings through the abysses of space, has brought forth at last a child, subject still to her power, but gifted with sight, with knowledge of good and evil, with the capacity of judging all the works of his unthinking Mother. In spite of Death, the mark and seal of the parental control, Man is yet free, during his brief years, to examine, to criticise, to know, and in imagination to create. To him alone, in the world with which he is acquainted, this freedom belongs; and in this lies his superiority to the resistless forces that control his outward life.

The savage, like ourselves, feels the oppression of his impotence before the powers of Nature; but having in himself nothing that he respects more than Power, he is willing to prostrate himself before his gods, without inquiring whether they are worthy of his worship. Pathetic and very terrible is the long history of cruelty and torture, of degradation and human sacrifice, endured in the hope of placating the jealous gods: surely, the trembling believer thinks, when what is most precious has been freely given, their lust for blood must be appeased, and more will not be required. The religion of Moloch--as such creeds may be generically called--is in essence the cringing submission of the slave, who dare not, even in his heart, allow the thought that his master deserves no adulation. Since the independence of ideals is not yet acknowledged, Power may be freely worshipped, and receive an unlimited respect, despite its wanton infliction of pain.

But gradually, as morality grows bolder, the claim of the ideal world begins to be felt; and worship, if it is not to cease, must be given to gods of another kind than those created by the savage. Some, though they feel the demands of the ideal, will still consciously reject them, still urging that naked Power is worthy of worship. Such is the attitude inculcated in God's answer to Job out of the whirlwind: the divine power and knowledge are paraded, but of the divine goodness there is no hint. Such also is the attitude of those who, in our own day, base their morality upon the struggle for survival, maintaining that the survivors are necessarily the fittest. But others, not content with an answer so repugnant to the moral sense, will adopt the position which we have become accustomed to regard as specially religious, maintaining that, in some hidden manner, the world of fact is really harmonious with the world of ideals. Thus Man creates God, all-powerful and all-good, the mystic unity of what is and what should be.

But the world of fact, after all, is not good; and, in submitting our judgment to it, there is an element of slavishness from which our thoughts must be purged. For in all things it is well to exalt the dignity of Man, by freeing him as far as possible from the tyranny of non-human Power. When we have realised that Power is largely bad, that man, with his knowledge of good and evil, is but a helpless atom in a world which has no such knowledge, the choice is again presented to us: Shall we worship Force, or shall we worship Goodness? Shall our God exist and be evil, or shall he be recognised as the creation of our own conscience?

The answer to this question is very momentous, and affects profoundly our whole morality. The worship of Force, to which Carlyle and Nietzsche and the creed of Militarism have accustomed us, is the result of failure to maintain our own ideals against a hostile universe: it is itself a prostrate submission to evil, a sacrifice of our best to Moloch. If strength indeed is to be respected, let us respect rather the strength of those who refuse that false "recognition of facts" which fails to recognise that facts are often bad. Let us admit that, in the world we know, there are many things that would be better otherwise, and that the ideals to which we do and must adhere are not realised in the realm of matter. Let us preserve our respect for truth, for beauty, for the ideal of perfection which life does not permit us to attain, though none of these things meet with the approval of the unconscious universe. If Power is bad, as it seems to be, let us reject it from our hearts. In this lies Man's true freedom: in determination to worship only the God created by our own love of the good, to respect only the heaven which inspires the insight of our best moments. In action, in desire, we must submit perpetually to the tyranny of outside forces; but in thought, in aspiration, we are free, free from our fellow-men, free from the petty planet on which our bodies impotently crawl, free even, while we live, from the tyranny of death. Let us learn, then, that energy of faith which enables us to live constantly in the vision of the good; and let us descend, in action, into the world of fact, with that vision always before us.

When first the opposition of fact and ideal grows fully visible, a spirit of fiery revolt, of fierce hatred of the gods, seems necessary to the assertion of freedom. To defy with Promethean constancy a hostile universe, to keep its evil always in view, always actively hated, to refuse no pain that the malice of Power can invent, appears to be the duty of all who will not bow before the inevitable. But indignation is still a bondage, for it compels our thoughts to be occupied with an evil world; and in the fierceness of desire from which rebellion springs there is a kind of self-assertion which it is necessary for the wise to overcome. Indignation is a submission of our thoughts, but not of our desires; the Stoic freedom in which wisdom consists is found in the submission of our desires, but not of our thoughts. From the submission of our desires springs the virtue of resignation; from the freedom of our thoughts springs the whole world of art and philosophy, and the vision of beauty by which, at last, we half reconquer the reluctant world. But the vision of beauty is possible only to unfettered contemplation, to thoughts not weighted by the load of eager wishes; and thus Freedom comes only to those who no longer ask of life that it shall yield them any of those personal goods that are subject to the mutations of Time.

Although the necessity of renunciation is evidence of the existence of evil, yet Christianity, in preaching it, has shown a wisdom exceeding that of the Promethean philosophy of rebellion. It must be admitted that, of the things we desire, some, though they prove impossible, are yet real goods; others, however, as ardently longed for, do not form part of a fully purified ideal. The belief that what must be renounced is bad, though sometimes false, is far less often false than untamed passion supposes; and the creed of religion, by providing a reason for proving that it is never false, has been the means of purifying our hopes by the discovery of many austere truths.

But there is in resignation a further good element: even real goods, when they are unattainable, ought not to be fretfully desired. To every man comes, sooner or later, the great renunciation. For the young, there is nothing unattainable; a good thing desired with the whole force of a passionate will, and yet impossible, is to them not credible. Yet, by death, by illness, by poverty, or by the voice of duty, we must learn, each one of us, that the world was not made for us, and that, however beautiful may be the things we crave, Fate may nevertheless forbid them. It is the part of courage, when misfortune comes, to bear without repining the ruin of our hopes, to turn away our thoughts from vain regrets. This degree of submission to Power is not only just and right: it is the very gate of wisdom.

But passive renunciation is not the whole of wisdom; for not by renunciation alone can we build a temple for the worship of our own ideals. Haunting foreshadowings of the temple appear in the realm of imagination, in music, in architecture, in the untroubled kingdom of reason, and in the golden sunset magic of lyrics, where beauty shines and glows, remote from the touch of sorrow, remote from the fear of change, remote from the failures and disenchantments of the world of fact. In the contemplation of these things the vision of heaven will shape itself in our hearts, giving at once a touchstone to judge the world about us, and an inspiration by which to fashion to our needs whatever is not incapable of serving as a stone in the sacred temple.

Except for those rare spirits that are born without sin, there is a cavern of darkness to be traversed before that temple can be entered. The gate of the cavern is despair, and its floor is paved with the gravestones of abandoned hopes. There Self must die; there the eagerness, the greed of untamed desire must be slain, for only so can the soul be freed from the empire of Fate. But out of the cavern the Gate of Renunciation leads again to the daylight of wisdom, by whose radiance a new insight, a new joy, a new tenderness, shine forth to gladden the pilgrim's heart.

When, without the bitterness of impotent rebellion, we have learnt both to resign ourselves to the outward rules of Fate and to recognise that the non-human world is unworthy of our worship, it becomes possible at last so to transform and refashion the unconscious universe, so to transmute it in the crucible of imagination, that a new image of shining gold replaces the old idol of clay. In all the multiform facts of the world--in the visual shapes of trees and mountains and clouds, in the events of the life of man, even in the very omnipotence of Death--the insight of creative idealism can find the reflection of a beauty which its own thoughts first made. In this way mind asserts its subtle mastery over the thoughtless forces of Nature. The more evil the material with which it deals, the more thwarting to untrained desire, the greater is its achievement in inducing the reluctant rock to yield up its hidden treasures, the prouder its victory in compelling the opposing forces to swell the pageant of its triumph. Of all the arts, Tragedy is the proudest, the most triumphant; for it builds its shining citadel in the very centre of the enemy's country, on the very summit of his highest mountain; from its impregnable watchtowers, his camps and arsenals, his columns and forts, are all revealed; within its walls the free life continues, while the legions of Death and Pain and Despair, and all the servile captains of tyrant Fate, afford the burghers of that dauntless city new spectacles of beauty. Happy those sacred ramparts, thrice happy the dwellers on that all-seeing eminence. Honour to those brave warriors who, through countless ages of warfare, have preserved for us the priceless heritage of liberty, and have kept undefiled by sacrilegious invaders the home of the unsubdued.

But the beauty of Tragedy does but make visible a quality which, in more or less obvious shapes, is present always and everywhere in life. In the spectacle of Death, in the endurance of intolerable pain, and in the irrevocableness of a vanished past, there is a sacredness, an overpowering awe, a feeling of the vastness, the depth, the inexhaustible mystery of existence, in which, as by some strange marriage of pain, the sufferer is bound to the world by bonds of sorrow. In these moments of insight, we lose all eagerness of temporary desire, all struggling and striving for petty ends, all care for the little trivial things that, to a superficial view, make up the common life of day by day; we see, surrounding the narrow raft illumined by the flickering light of human comradeship, the dark ocean on whose rolling waves we toss for a brief hour; from the great night without, a chill blast breaks in upon our refuge; all the loneliness of humanity amid hostile forces is concentrated upon the individual soul, which must struggle alone, with what of courage it can command, against the whole weight of a universe that cares nothing for its hopes and fears. Victory, in this struggle with the powers of darkness, is the true baptism into the glorious company of heroes, the true initiation into the overmastering beauty of human existence. From that awful encounter of the soul with the outer world, enunciation, wisdom, and charity are born; and with their birth a new life begins. To take into the inmost shrine of the soul the irresistible forces whose puppets we seem to be--Death and change, the irrevocableness of the past, and the powerlessness of Man before the blind hurry of the universe from vanity to vanity--to feel these things and know them is to conquer them.

This is the reason why the Past has such magical power. The beauty of its motionless and silent pictures is like the enchanted purity of late autumn, when the leaves, though one breath would make them fall, still glow against the sky in golden glory. The Past does not change or strive; like Duncan, after life's fitful fever it sleeps well; what was eager and grasping, what was petty and transitory, has faded away, the things that were beautiful and eternal shine out of it like stars in the night. Its beauty, to a soul not worthy of it, is unendurable; but to a soul which has conquered Fate it is the key of religion.

The life of Man, viewed outwardly, is but a small thing in comparison with the forces of Nature. The slave is doomed to worship Time and Fate and Death, because they are greater than anything he finds in himself, and because all his thoughts are of things which they devour. But, great as they are, to think of them greatly, to feel their passionless splendour, is greater still. And such thought makes us free men; we no longer bow before the inevitable in Oriental subjection, but we absorb it, and make it a part of ourselves. To abandon the struggle for private happiness, to expel all eagerness of temporary desire, to burn with passion for eternal things--this is emancipation, and this is the free man's worship. And this liberation is effected by a contemplation of Fate; for Fate itself is subdued by the mind which leaves nothing to be purged by the purifying fire of Time.

United with his fellow-men by the strongest of all ties, the tie of a common doom, the free man finds that a new vision is with him always, shedding over every daily task the light of love. The life of Man is a long march through the night, surrounded by invisible foes, tortured by weariness and pain, towards a goal that few can hope to reach, and where none may tarry long. One by one, as they march, our comrades vanish from our sight, seized by the silent orders of omnipotent Death. Very brief is the time in which we can help them, in which their happiness or misery is decided. Be it ours to shed sunshine on their path, to lighten their sorrows by the balm of sympathy, to give them the pure joy of a never-tiring affection, to strengthen failing courage, to instil faith in hours of despair. Let us not weigh in grudging scales their merits and demerits, but let us think only of their need--of the sorrows, the difficulties, perhaps the blindnesses, that make the misery of their lives; let us remember that they are fellow-sufferers in the same darkness, actors in the same tragedy as ourselves. And so, when their day is over, when their good and their evil have become eternal by the immortality of the past, be it ours to feel that, where they suffered, where they failed, no deed of ours was the cause; but wherever a spark of the divine fire kindled in their hearts, we were ready with encouragement, with sympathy, with brave words in which high courage glowed.

Brief and powerless is Man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark. Blind to good and evil, reckless of destruction, omnipotent matter rolls on its relentless way; for Man, condemned to-day to lose his dearest, to-morrow himself to pass through the gate of darkness, it remains only to cherish, ere yet the blow falls, the lofty thoughts that ennoble his little day; disdaining the coward terrors of the slave of Fate, to worship at the shrine that his own hands have built; undismayed by the empire of chance, to preserve a mind free from the wanton tyranny that rules his outward life; proudly defiant of the irresistible forces that tolerate, for a moment, his knowledge and his condemnation, to sustain alone, a weary but unyielding Atlas, the world that his own ideals have fashioned despite the trampling march of unconscious power.
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ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
August 09 2008 14:06 GMT
#17
I'm hellabored as well so here's my take on this.
I agree with your reasoning; to look for purpose or meaning in something that was accidentally created by a blind process is just silly. 'What is the meaning of life?' can indeed be adequately described as being a pseudo-question.
Such nihilism, if we may call it that, however, can lead to optimism as well as pessimism, and seeing as there is no 'objective' purpose, meaning, or whatever to life, the choice is fully yours.
Consider this. Against all odds, this specific solar system with its specific conditions was created, entirely by accident and Earth with it. An atmosphere was formed, and eventually life was formed as well, once again against all odds. Creatures procreated and evolved blindly, until finally man came to be. With man, that was created entirely by chance, against all odds, the universe, in a sense, can finally enjoy its own beauty. After ages of evolution, we are the first beings, perhaps even in the entire universe, able to look at the stars. From this perspective, our petty existence is in fact very precious.
We are able to think and will and enjoy. We ourselves give meaning to our own lives. You can determine for yourself what's important and what's not. Your happiness or sadness is determined by your own mindset, which is yours for the choosing.

Fly fly fly !!
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-09 14:13:05
August 09 2008 14:11 GMT
#18
Krohm i used to say EXACTLY the same thing when i was a christian,
you see a religious person belittles this life because it simply pales in comparison to the afterlife, so nonreligious people knowing this is quite possibly the only life they'll ever get they try to make the most of it, or may be more inclined not to take it for granted.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 09 2008 14:16 GMT
#19
Love live before its meaning and you'll understand all its relevance. Live in the moment, not your head. That's all I can advise you to do.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
August 09 2008 18:47 GMT
#20
@LiAlH4

Was that directed at me or the OP? My previous statement doesn't represent my own belief. I was just pointing out that he made a huge assumption in his post.
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