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zachmorris
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
I'll happily watch porn of girls doing absolutely depraved things but I don't view them any differently for it. And it doesn't in any way change the way I view girls or the way I interact with them. As far as I'm concerned lust and passion are two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other. If you deny your urges and feel guilty for lust you'll end up horribly repressed having missionary sex once a year and apologising to God about it afterwards. Humans are born with the ability to make choices and understand the consequences of those choices. If my best friends girlfriend came onto me and she was extremely hot I'd still be forced to decline. Not because I didn't lust after her but because I'm not an asshole. Just because you want to have sex with girls doesn't mean you have to treat them any differently. Lust is the physical driving force behind relationships. When combined with good decision making it's a good thing, resulting in passionate sex and physical intimacy. When combined with bad decision making it's a bad thing, resulting in cheating, rape etc. But you could say that about most things. Take love, imo the emotional driving force behind relationships. In a good context it's the foundation of a long, stable and loving relationship. In a bad context it's the motivation for the crazies who obsess over celebrities and abduct people and keep them in their cellar for decades. You are a human, you are gifted with free will. Rather than deny your humanity and feel ashamed of your birthright utilise your gift to make your life what you want of it. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 11:48 Kwark wrote: Sexual guilt is my biggest problem with religion. It's a legacy across the Western world and it's fucking stupid. I'll happily watch porn of girls doing absolutely depraved things but I don't view them any differently for it. And it doesn't in any way change the way I view girls or the way I interact with them. As far as I'm concerned lust and passion are two sides of the same coin. You can't have one without the other. If you deny your urges and feel guilty for lust you'll end up horribly repressed having missionary sex once a year and apologising to God about it afterwards. Humans are born with the ability to make choices and understand the consequences of those choices. If my best friends girlfriend came onto me and she was extremely hot I'd still be forced to decline. Not because I didn't lust after her but because I'm not an asshole. Just because you want to have sex with girls doesn't mean you have to treat them any differently. Lust is the physical driving force behind relationships. When combined with good decision making it's a good thing, resulting in passionate sex and physical intimacy. When combined with bad decision making it's a bad thing, resulting in cheating, rape etc. But you could say that about most things. Take love, imo the emotional driving force behind relationships. In a good context it's the foundation of a long, stable and loving relationship. In a bad context it's the motivation for the crazies who obsess over celebrities and abduct people and keep them in their cellar for decades. You are a human, you are gifted with free will. Rather than deny your humanity and feel ashamed of your birthright utilise your gift to make your life what you want of it. For the most part I agree with you. Sexual urge is natural, and pornography is born of man's sexual urge. I disagree that you cannot have passion without lust. They are connected, but, not being the opposite of passion, the two exist independently. Well perhaps we have different definitions of lust. | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 11:57 Kwark wrote: Lust is really wanting to fuck a girl. Passion is what happens when the girl in question takes her clothes off. So lust leads to passion? | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
With good decision making, yes. | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:02 Kwark wrote: I'm using passion in the positive sense btw. Just in a great sex way. I'm sure rapists are pretty passionate about what they do but until someone creates a word that applies to specifically mutual good sex I'm at a loss for a better word. So just to clarify, All right, that and the definition of lust you provided, changes my viewpoint of your post entirely. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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I believe lust is a sin because it begets more lust. Lust is not something that you can find an answer for, you can chase it indefinitely but you will never get what you want. It's the same for all sins. There is no happiness down a path of sin. But everyone makes mistakes. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:13 travis wrote: I believe lust is a sin. But it's hard to pin down in a real discussion; semantics. I believe lust is a sin because it begets more lust. Lust is not something that you can find an answer for, you can chase it indefinitely but you will never get what you want. It's the same for all sins. There is no happiness down a path of sin. But everyone makes mistakes. define lust please travis | ||
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ZoDD
Canada309 Posts
they should really market this stuff... oh wait. I think its pretty funny that god was the reason you got out of your slum and helped that kid getting bullied, cuz no one helps anyone unless they think they go to heaven or something. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
sexual desire, physical attraction | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:19 ZoDD wrote: ya Its like... I help people WITHOUT being threatened to eternal damnation yay for me. This is not to say christians cant have pure motivations but nonchristians wouldnt just let the kid get bullied."god" is a powerful motivator, real or not. they should really market this stuff... oh wait. I think its pretty funny that god was the reason you got out of your slum and helped that kid getting bullied, cuz no one helps anyone unless they think they go to heaven or something. | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:12 DamageControL wrote: kwark btw what are your personal religious views? I've yet to see any evidence of anything supernatural in my life, including God. As such I find myself unable to believe. But God, if he exists, knows that and if he's interested in my worship he knows where to find me. So I'm an athiest I guess. | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:13 travis wrote: I believe lust is a sin. But it's hard to pin down in a real discussion; semantics. I believe lust is a sin because it begets more lust. Lust is not something that you can find an answer for, you can chase it indefinitely but you will never get what you want. It's the same for all sins. There is no happiness down a path of sin. But everyone makes mistakes. I'll be lusty today, I'll end up jacking off. I'll probably be lusty tomorrow. I'll probably end up jacking off tomorrow. Where's the sin? You could say that about almost anything you enjoy doing. I believe starcraft is a sin because it begets more starcraft. etc etc. You can play it and you'll be satisfied with a win or you'll be frustrated if you couldn't perform well or whatever. But tomorrow when the urges start you'll play again unless you find something better to do. | ||
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ZoDD
Canada309 Posts
BUT IL SEND EM STRAIGHT TO HELL IF THEY DONT! | ||
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KwarK
United States43980 Posts
Try having sexual intimacy without physical attraction. | ||
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nA.Inky
United States794 Posts
What I am unsure of in your post is this: "Now I just feel right now compelled to say something, compassion for you guys, you non-Christians. Your fleeting happiness, your problems, your sadness your loneliness." It is great that your relationship to God is helping you so much, but please do not assume that everyone else is miserable and lost. Some of us may be lost, but if we are, we don't particularly want to be found. And I also object to the implication that only non-christians experience fleeting happiness, problems, sadness, and loneliness. There are plenty of Christians who live their lives in misery, and there are plenty of non-Christians who live fulfilling, interesting lives. We all have our ways of coping with difficulty, and sometimes God is not among them. I doubt it was your intent to be condescending, but I think many of the harsh responses you are getting come, in part, from the fact that your words, particularly what I quoted above, can easily come off as condescending. I respect your way, and simply ask for respect in turn. It's not important that we all share the same religion or outlook. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:30 Kwark wrote: I've yet to see any evidence of anything supernatural in my life, including God. As such I find myself unable to believe. But God, if he exists, knows that and if he's interested in my worship he knows where to find me. So I'm an athiest I guess. I see. And if God is beyond our understanding? | ||
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