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On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah.
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Fine if this helped you, but don't try to push it onto other people. This story should have ended before all that preaching.
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Kwark, the problem is that he's acting like he's a completely changed man, but the flaws in his character are still the same. Nothing was fixed, he just went from pessimist to optimist. He went from looking down on non-whites, to looking down on non-Christians. That's not an improvement in the least.
EDIT: Intolerance of other people (whether it be their life choices, or just for existing)is the only problem in his life.
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On July 25 2008 10:41 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Kwark, the problem is that he's acting like he's a completely changed man, but the flaws in his character are still the same. Nothing was fixed, he just went from pessimist to optimist. He went from looking down on non-whites, to looking down on non-Christians. That's not an improvement in the least. Thank you, that was what I was trying to say.
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On July 25 2008 10:39 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah.
His God may be a lie but the structures Christianity has created in his life are real. His get togethers at Church, his little band, his absolute certainties, the regular routine, that's all real. His happiness is most likely real because like it or not, Christianity provides a good foundation for a stable life. All people need to be happy is like minded individuals, routine and certainty about the future. He has all those.
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Well no I wasn't bigoting against non-christians, me as a new Christian and before being a Christian I was horrible scumbag who didn't deserve the life I was given. Not saying you guys are like that just saying that there is a big difference and it's not fabricated as some would say.
As for people who haven't yet approached the concept of a God and fully made that decision or at least tried to then how can you honestly hate me because I asked the questions got the answers and concluded God was real? Isn't that chillingly similar of the intolerant bullshit that comes out of westboro baptist church that you so valiantly oppose and condemn?
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Now I just feel right now compelled to say something, compassion for you guys, you non-Christians.
How very nice of you.
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I wouldn't say God changed your life, I would say a set of morals and a strong community with values did that. All I mean is, I don't think that the existence of a God would have any impact; it's the community that did that, and that was man-made.
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On July 25 2008 10:41 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Kwark, the problem is that he's acting like he's a completely changed man, but the flaws in his character are still the same. Nothing was fixed, he just went from pessimist to optimist. He went from looking down on non-whites, to looking down on non-Christians. That's not an improvement in the least.
Bingo. It's amazing how people can read a book of tall tales and truly believe such ridiculous ideas.
Edit: Salvs post is also right on the money.
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Even if he's gone from an unhappy bigot to a happy bigot I'm still going to be glad for him.
One thing that I was curious about though is when he said he had compassion for non Christians. Compassion for athiests I'd understand (although I'd still think he was an idiot for saying it). But compassion for non-Christians includes compassion for Jews etc too. Jews worship the same God you do, do you think their belief isn't as important for them as it is for you? That God loves them less for it? I think perhaps you meant athiests rather than non-Christians because for you to claim that your belief is in any way different from that of millions of others who feel the same way as you is pretty absurd. Not to mention very closed minded.
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On July 25 2008 10:43 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:39 ScarFace wrote:On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah. His God may be a lie but the structures Christianity has created in his life are real. His get togethers at Church, his little band, his absolute certainties, the regular routine, that's all real. His happiness is most likely real because like it or not, Christianity provides a good foundation for a stable life. All people need to be happy is like minded individuals, routine and certainty about the future. He has all those.
but sadly this is a very bad thing
it's the same as when a congressman attach bad shit to good bills so that they will pass through ez
what I hate about the whole thing is that the guy is acting like he's learned things and is now a teacher, when it's clear he is no professor of christianity.
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Well no I wasn't bigoting against non-christians
Yes you are. As soon as you use the word 'non-Christians' that should be sending off some pretty obvious signals. You're telling everyone who isn't Christian that your way of life is better, than you're more compassionate, and more capable of love. Well guess what? We 'non-Christians' are perfectly happy with our way of life, and perfectly happy to let you live yours as well. Just don't tell us how much better you are than us because you chose to take the easy way out.
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On July 25 2008 10:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Well no I wasn't bigoting against non-christians, me as a new Christian and before being a Christian I was horrible scumbag who didn't deserve the life I was given. Not saying you guys are like that just saying that there is a big difference and it's not fabricated as some would say.
As for people who haven't yet approached the concept of a God and fully made that decision or at least tried to then how can you honestly hate me because I asked the questions got the answers and concluded God was real? Isn't that chillingly similar of the intolerant bullshit that comes out of westboro baptist church that you so valiantly oppose and condemn?
They were hating on you because of the tone you used. You'll find very few people who are actually opposed to your average liberal Christian simply because it's pretty harmless and nobody cares enough. The problem is the tone you used. When somebody says they believe in fairies we'll all go "fair enough". When someone goes "I believe in fairies, and therefore I'm better than you" then suddenly we're all eager to point out that not only are they not better than us but given their retarded belief they're probably stupider than us.
Talk to us as equals and we'll respond in kind. Say you feel compassion for us who have not yet seen the light and we'll explain to you exactly how much compassion we feel for those who have.
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I'm not going to talk about the preaching in the OP, because it's clear at this point that it wasn't necessary. As long as the OP was talking about how you are changed as a person, that's great. I agree with Kwark in that religion can be benefit because of other things they teach. A church; if nothing else, is a place where generally you can obtain some morals and values. I don't really care if they attribute it to God, Jesus Christ, the community or the bible, that is besides the point.
Of course the latter does become a factor if said person starts to preach.
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On July 25 2008 10:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Well no I wasn't bigoting against non-christians, me as a new Christian and before being a Christian I was horrible scumbag who didn't deserve the life I was given. Not saying you guys are like that just saying that there is a big difference and it's not fabricated as some would say.
As for people who haven't yet approached the concept of a God and fully made that decision or at least tried to then how can you honestly hate me because I asked the questions got the answers and concluded God was real? Isn't that chillingly similar of the intolerant bullshit that comes out of westboro baptist church that you so valiantly oppose and condemn?
the problem is that you've "concluded" and now you "know". When I am sure I can come up with a list of 100 questions about christianity, none of which you can give me a good answer for.
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On July 25 2008 10:39 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah.
I'd say: Whatever works for him. You can't argue that he's worse off having "found jesus".
As long as you don't hurt, and this is a key word, anyone I will let you do anything you want. As long as he's preaching to us on a forum, you could always treat it like you would a google ad.
If he would be banging on your door or standing outside your house trying to convice your mom, I'd say you could be upset about his preaching. Otherwise, you could just click that little house on top of your browser and you would not have to think about this anymore.
I can't argue anymore though, got to sleep.
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On July 25 2008 10:43 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:39 ScarFace wrote:On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah. His God may be a lie but the structures Christianity has created in his life are real. His get togethers at Church, his little band, his absolute certainties, the regular routine, that's all real. His happiness is most likely real because like it or not, Christianity provides a good foundation for a stable life. All people need to be happy is like minded individuals, routine and certainty about the future. He has all those. true but that does not mean christians are the only route to a stable happy life, which he implies
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On July 25 2008 10:44 TechniQ.UK wrote:
Well no I wasn't bigoting against non-christians, me as a new Christian and before being a Christian I was horrible scumbag who didn't deserve the life I was given. Not saying you guys are like that just saying that there is a big difference and it's not fabricated as some would say.
As for people who haven't yet approached the concept of a God and fully made that decision or at least tried to then how can you honestly hate me because I asked the questions got the answers and concluded God was real? Isn't that chillingly similar of the intolerant bullshit that comes out of westboro baptist church that you so valiantly oppose and condemn?
We don't hate you because you asked questions and got answers. I am greatly annoyed with you because you come across as an ignorant bastard.
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On July 25 2008 10:49 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2008 10:43 Kwark wrote:On July 25 2008 10:39 ScarFace wrote:On July 25 2008 10:36 Barbarne wrote:On July 25 2008 10:27 ScarFace wrote:
God I cant stand people who think God someone how helped them.
You disgust me. "God" I can't stand people who just can't accept that having faith can help some people with their lives. You disugst me with your ignorance. And BTW, I'm a 100% atheist who doesn't believe anythig at all and never have. But to not realize how some people can draw strenght and happiness from their faith is a true sign of ignorance. I don't care if hes happy because he thinks someone is looking after him, I care if he thinks all Christians are just lovable human beings who exude happiness because Jesus Christ blessed them. It's a load of crap, hes delusional. His happiness is false, he replaced fanatical anger with fanatical faith, and the second his faith is shot in the most minor way, he will revert right back. You want your life to get better buddy? Get some friends, get a Girlfriend, get a job, patch your life back together. Don't come on a website with this bullshit about Christians just being great people because Jesus Christ is our lord and savior...balh blah blah. His God may be a lie but the structures Christianity has created in his life are real. His get togethers at Church, his little band, his absolute certainties, the regular routine, that's all real. His happiness is most likely real because like it or not, Christianity provides a good foundation for a stable life. All people need to be happy is like minded individuals, routine and certainty about the future. He has all those. but sadly this is a very bad thing it's the same as when a congressman attach bad shit to good bills so that they will pass through ez what I hate about the whole thing is that the guy is acting like he's learned things and is now a teacher, when it's clear he is no professor of christianity.
When you get extremist Christians it's a bad thing. But in the placebo happy pills scenario I see no reason not to just be glad for them. I do see your point about how he's acting like he's learned things but that wasn't the core of his post imo.
I was fortunate enough to have a fantastic philosophy teacher who was an Anglican minister but took his job as a teacher in a secular system incredibly seriously. He was a pretty laid back, liberal kind of guy and we didn't realise he believed in anything until word of mouth spread from somebody at his church.
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good for you techniq.uk. I'm an atheist myself but not the kind that hates on religious people, so I can't really relate to why you're happy. But you've found a mindset that makes you happy, which is all that matters.
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