• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:12
CET 10:12
KST 18:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool39Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
U4GM Tips Counter Enemy Gadgets Fast in Black Ops rsvsr How to Keep Reward Chains Rolling in Monopol u4gm What to Do First in MLB The Show 26 Spring
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4110 users

HerO_V vs By.Flash [14 June, 2008] 2set @ PL

Blogs > Goosey
Post a Reply
Goosey
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States695 Posts
June 17 2008 06:33 GMT
#1
Jesus. Fucking.. Christ...

Is it really too early to declare a game of the year yet? I mean really?

Watch This Game Now:
+ Show Spoiler +


Ok, are we all caught up? Spoiler time!
+ Show Spoiler +

Ok I have to start off by saying.. While I found this to be the most amazing game I have seen yet this year I don't think this is actually game-of-the-year material. The reason is simply that it is a one sided rape and the amazing comeback that Flash pulls off looks to me more like HerO_V was just cracking under the pressure.

Hell I was about to get on a plane to Korea and bitch slap HerO_V myself if he let Flash take that game away from him. You can see it in his eyes when Flash's un-fucking-stoppable push just keeps rolling closer and closer... He is starting to panic.

Thankfully he takes a moment to compose himself. This is seen in the game when he stops throwing small groups of dragoons and zealots and Flash's fully upgraded tank ball and collects all those Arbiters he left just sort of hanging out.

And he thinks. Flash has a 3/3 ball of doom. I can't break it. But he has pretty much every unit sitting on the opposite end of the map so.. Recall! Once he took down the top-right expos his goal of starving Flash out took reality. Also by getting his units spread across the map he was able to pull something off I don't think I have ever seen in a PvT before: a full 360 degree surround. Finally the terran blob is broken. Fucking terran.

So HerO_V's opening.. To me this seemed like it was a tailor-made Flash-stomper of an opening. Flash has shown he is a versatile player: he has amazing macro, but is also quite capable of the cheese rush. He has shown that against opponents like Shuttle he is quite capable of doing an early push if he sees an opportunity. So what gives?

This build HerO_V did fucking defines greedy. 14nex into a god damned sprint for Arbiters. How big was his army when that first Arbiter came out? Something like 8 goons and 2 zealots? Madness. How could Flash not punish such a build?

Well I guess HerO_V has simply been paying very close attention to Flash's recent proleague auto-wins. Flash has it tough man.. He is the guy on top that everyone is aiming to knock down and he is currently pushing his way towards the finals of THREE star leagues. So this doesn't really leave a lot of room for proleague preperation, yet he is used. He is always used.

So what I have noticed in Flash's recent proleague games is that he has taken the mindset that he doesn't give a fuck what his opponent is doing (mind you I am talking about TvP only right now). As long as he can secure his 3 bases and do his little turtle-till-3/3-and-200 dance he feels like there is nothing any toss can fucking do. Why prepare when you have an auto-win strategy?

Well HerO_V takes advantage of this mindset in two ways. First he does the greediest build imaginable. Only way it could have been even more greedy is if he cut goons to get his 3rd up quicker, but hell that 3rd was still up at what I would call a pretty fast timing.

AND he had arbiters.. which he uses to great effect. It must take a lot of guts to go recall several times into the base of a Terran who has not moved out. Who has not had his tank count reduced through skirmishes. Flash is just sitting back macroing it up: obviously he is going to be able to respond to recalls quickly..

But the recalls happen. And somehow they work really really well. They even create enough chaos to allow Flash's 4th to be run over. Total domination!

We arrive at the point of the match that has HerO_V at 6 bases and Flash at 2. The SCV count has been reduced. HerO_V is looking like he will be maxing any second while Flash is trying to crawl back from what.. about 100-130 supply?

So HerO_V enters the 'starve Flash' stage of his strategy. He has been greedy enough to allow him to do some unforeseen damage to Flash's macro.. And this has given him total map dominance.. and now he just needs to keep expanding, keep making gateways, and wait for Flash to starve out.

And now we are back to the point I was discussing at the beginning of this spoiler.

Sorry if this was a bit rambly and hard to read.. Wrote it while very sleepy and very excited..

Also, I haven't watched it yet but I hear that this series contains 1 other amazing epic game.. See if you can guess which one!


#1 Shuttle Fan.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 17 2008 06:54 GMT
#2
good stuff
blabberrrrr
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 17 2008 06:59 GMT
#3
Good read. I think HerO_V_ was suprised how well it worked out and thought he already won after he was on like 6 bases and Flash was on 2. Still Flash's level was so high and HerO_V_ underestimated the still existant threat and nearly got punished for it.

I think Flashs strategy is not an auto-win. The strategy is not new, and not developed by Flash. The Flash opening without an ebay and Academy + Goliath as anti-drop with really fast upgrades were actually redesigned by Flash, but he didn't invent it.

So you will see. If you are a top player you will have a hard time, because there are so many matches of you and so many ways to analyse your style. What do you think how many games Hero_V_ saw of Flash and what do you think how many games Flash watched from HerO? I think Flash didn't even care his opponent is HerO_V_.

Whenever a player is successful lots of games will be shown and lots of games can be analysed. This will end in anti-strategies for exactly that player on exactly that special map (any map given).
Note: Players like OOv / NaDa were very hard to beat, because its not hard to analyse them. It was just their timing / macro to that time, that were overwhelming and on another level.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 17 2008 07:20 GMT
#4
shit i didnt know this game was so epic lol
thanks for the blog

O_O
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 17 2008 07:23 GMT
#5
haha it feels like flash is the new savior or w/e, lot of love and lot of hate
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
DeadVessel
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States6269 Posts
June 17 2008 07:54 GMT
#6
hero <3

yeah really great game ^^
B1nary
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada1267 Posts
June 17 2008 07:54 GMT
#7
It really looked like HerO_V_ was gonna lose when that giant blob of tanks rolled out. I looked somewhat like oov playing back there. battle... battle... tanks die... battle some more... more stuff dies... OMFG WHERE ALL THOSE TANKS COME FROM???!!!
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
June 17 2008 07:58 GMT
#8
On June 17 2008 16:54 B1nary wrote:
It really looked like HerO_V_ was gonna lose when that giant blob of tanks rolled out. I looked somewhat like oov playing back there. battle... battle... tanks die... battle some more... more stuff dies... OMFG WHERE ALL THOSE TANKS COME FROM???!!!

ahhaa yeah! does feel like that...
it's kind of the tank formation though, flash always had a blob of tanks hanging bit back, so when the goon 'flank' killed what is appeared to the be tank army, there's a shitton more in the back still.
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
June 17 2008 08:05 GMT
#9
reminds me a lot of that epic foru vs. nada game.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
June 17 2008 08:20 GMT
#10
great game but ya, way to early to declare it game of the year. or even game of the year so far.
Holylight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Korea (South)460 Posts
June 17 2008 09:01 GMT
#11
did you miss lomo vs kwanro? that game is really sick
Guss
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Sweden712 Posts
June 17 2008 09:26 GMT
#12
On June 17 2008 18:01 Holylight wrote:
did you miss lomo vs kwanro? that game is really sick


that game is really 1 sided rape
Bisu[Shield] FIGHTING!
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 17 2008 09:34 GMT
#13
I think Flashs strategy is not an auto-win. The strategy is not new, and not developed by Flash. The Flash opening without an ebay and Academy + Goliath as anti-drop with really fast upgrades were actually redesigned by Flash, but he didn't invent it.

he didnt even redesign it, you can find reps of nada doing the exact same opening from a year+ ago. flash just makes it seem different because his macro/timing/game sense is on a whole new level from anything we've seen before. its like taking oov's game sense and giving him really clean production to go with it.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
June 17 2008 10:25 GMT
#14
On June 17 2008 18:34 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think Flashs strategy is not an auto-win. The strategy is not new, and not developed by Flash. The Flash opening without an ebay and Academy + Goliath as anti-drop with really fast upgrades were actually redesigned by Flash, but he didn't invent it.

he didnt even redesign it, you can find reps of nada doing the exact same opening from a year+ ago. flash just makes it seem different because his macro/timing/game sense is on a whole new level from anything we've seen before. its like taking oov's game sense and giving him really clean production to go with it.


I can live with that statement too, but you get the idea.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
born-to-porn
Profile Joined January 2004
Denmark400 Posts
June 17 2008 12:42 GMT
#15
That game was just Hero gaining a ridiculous advantage due his cloak rush (first dts then arbiters) completely caught Flash off-guard. For some reason Flash had opted not to get a scanner and only rely on turrets. I'll admit that the way Flash fought back and eventually conquered the entire right side of the map was amazing, but really the result was never in jeopardy and Hero was able to take home the win without playing very well.

Any other player than Flash would have died within 15 minutes after a start like that and the game is just a testament to Flash's insane macro and game management.

I don't even think this game should be included on the Game of the Year list, sorry
Nobody beats the Beater
Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
June 17 2008 13:33 GMT
#16
Great game. I think I'll watch it again.

Hero is cooler than Best!
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 17 2008 15:30 GMT
#17
Great Read.

We just all know to fear Hero now, Wemade's Ace snipe. Flash almost played himself out of that hole too; this game is a perfect example of why he should scout more. Flash should cheese more often, but I guess that would then put him on the same level as Stork and soon fall to mediocrity.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
June 17 2008 15:39 GMT
#18
On June 18 2008 00:30 thunk wrote:
Great Read.

We just all know to fear Hero now, Wemade's Ace snipe. Flash almost played himself out of that hole too; this game is a perfect example of why he should scout more. Flash should cheese more often, but I guess that would then put him on the same level as Stork and soon fall to mediocrity.

actually the path hes taking is the one stork took, hes found his strengths and hes relying on them to the exclusion of everything else. stork was unbeatable, until he stopped doing anything but 2 base reav drop->carrier. cheesing or at least diversifying his mid game would take him away from stork, not towards him.

and as for fear hero, no. he got a massive advantage off of an insanely risky build order and tried to play himself into a loss anyway.
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 17 2008 16:13 GMT
#19
Idra: Isn't it a little different though? Mind you im not a top player or anything, but I always heard that Protoss and Zerg players had to vary more often. Many of their builds and timing are very specific to what their enemy is doing, or what they want to do. Dont vary, and you die. But terran is a little different, sure there are ways to abuse certain terran builds, but they can still go out with the same general strategy [varied with timing etc] and win. I think Flash will change it up a bit after this defeat [once he has a bit more time to consider new strategies that work well with him], but I still think its a little different than what Stork did.
Can you dig it?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #75
CranKy Ducklings27
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 132
ProTech124
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 324
firebathero 286
Hyuk 259
Shinee 69
Jaedong 50
NotJumperer 50
ToSsGirL 49
Killer 44
Dewaltoss 42
Nal_rA 33
[ Show more ]
Leta 29
yabsab 29
ZergMaN 20
Movie 15
Hm[arnc] 14
Bale 13
soO 11
GoRush 11
SilentControl 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe111
canceldota65
League of Legends
Reynor84
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1128
Other Games
ceh9534
Happy243
olofmeister193
Fuzer 154
Sick90
crisheroes80
Mew2King54
ViBE33
shoxiejesuss0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick565
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream115
Other Games
BasetradeTV105
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 10
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling116
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
48m
Sharp vs Scan
Rain vs Mong
Wardi Open
2h 48m
Monday Night Weeklies
7h 48m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
Afreeca Starleague
1d
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
1d 23h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
5 days
Platinum Heroes Events
5 days
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-22
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.