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Poll: Who will be the Best SCII player?
(Vote): Grubby
(Vote): Moon
(Vote): Tod
(Vote): Sky
(Vote): Some other WC3 player
Because Warcraft III takes very little mechanical skill in comparison to Starcraft, Warcraft III players will be far more prepared having had the last 4 years competing against each other in a game that requires pure dynamic skill and absolutely zero mechanical. Starcraft players while training far harder and MUCH more will have their mechanical skills be made obsolete and will have a rough time making the transition since those secondary skills are already taking a backseat to their pure mechanical skill.
The SK scene will take bow down to the Chinese and German scenes while Grubby and Moon will destroy all those who oppose.
-OakHill
 
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Oh so SC has no dynamic skillz
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Oh cool, since it's banned to say and make threads like this in the SC2 forum since it leads to unproductive and retarded theorycrafting about an UNRELEASED GAME. You have decided to pollute the blogs section with mindless SC2 = WC4! shit.
Please stick to polluting the SC2 forum where you can get banned for having a shitty mind.
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Dont have heros = changes the game
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The game speed and mechanics are supposed to be similar, blizzard has said it time and time again they are trying to make it as much like starcraft as they can while giving it something different and new, meaning they are going to try to maintain game speed and the necessity of mechanics while adding new strategic elements to the game.
Whether the fuck it up or not we won't know until it's released.
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On June 16 2008 10:49 SayaSP wrote:
Oh so SC has no dynamic skillz
Sure it does but like I said they are secondary skills and the mechanical skills are generally more important otherwise you wouldn't see so many battle mistakes and idle units in top korean games. Starcraft's map design and user interface SO FAR (it could be changed) definitely favors Warcraft III players.
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i don't think it'll be so cut and dry. WC3 players will be competitive with high level BW players but i highly doubt that Moon or Grubby would stand a chance vs. someone like Flash. They'd definitely be forces to be reckoned with though.
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FragKrag thinks that this thread sucks.
-FragKrag
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Netherlands4511 Posts
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
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Wow OakHill, hasn't somebody paid you money to STOP POSTING HERE YET?
FUCK
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
Lol
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
this
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
win
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
...everyone else is doing it...
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh, walk over, and destroy their face.
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FUck that shit you have to be kdiding me. Any starcraft gosu would ROLL over all WC3 competition no problem. In case ppl hadn't realised wc3 is much easier to learn than sc, and its timings and strats are much easier too. And if you REALLy
REALLY
REALLY
think that grubby or moon could do as well as jaedong boxer flash nada oov july bisu etcetc at micro in wc3 then I think you are probably slightly insane because if you just watch the speed and accuracy of their clicks and their ability to multitask it clearly outranks any wc3 player. Add in the fact that (I think almost certainly) SC has more strategic depth and you get a game that any SC gosu could easily master and dominate at...imo.
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oakhill is currently the worst poster on TL
its not even fucking close
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I suppose you were prepared for flames when you posted that on an SC forum XD. I'll try to respond seriously. I'm pretty sure WC3 is more different from SC2 than SC1 is. WC3 is missing the macro psychology that's so important in SC and can be assumed to be equally important in SC2. Sure, the mechanics might be easier but without the fundamental mindset, you won't be any good. Not only that, WC3 isn't nearly as competitive as SC. The best WC3 players just haven't been exposed to as much hard-core competition as SC players.
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
QFT. Thank you ret.
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On June 16 2008 11:44 HamerD wrote:
FUck that shit you have to be kdiding me. Any starcraft gosu would ROLL over all WC3 competition no problem. In case ppl hadn't realised wc3 is much easier to learn than sc, and its timings and strats are much easier too. And if you REALLy
REALLY
REALLY
think that grubby or moon could do as well as jaedong boxer flash nada oov july bisu etcetc at micro in wc3 then I think you are probably slightly insane because if you just watch the speed and accuracy of their clicks and their ability to multitask it clearly outranks any wc3 player. Add in the fact that (I think almost certainly) SC has more strategic depth and you get a game that any SC gosu could easily master and dominate at...imo.
Have you heard of Elky? One of the best Starcraft players of his time was a terrible failure when he tried Warcraft and then made the move from War3 failure to poker. I expect the same from jaedon flash nada july bisu etc etc when SCII ships.
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On June 16 2008 12:29 B1nary wrote:
I suppose you were prepared for flames when you posted that on an SC forum XD. I'll try to respond seriously. I'm pretty sure WC3 is more different from SC2 than SC1 is. WC3 is missing the macro psychology that's so important in SC and can be assumed to be equally important in SC2. Sure, the mechanics might be easier but without the fundamental mindset, you won't be any good. Not only that, WC3 isn't nearly as competitive as SC. The best WC3 players just haven't been exposed to as much hard-core competition as SC players.
WC3 is more competitive in every region of the world except South Korea. BUT I will not argue SC is a much harder game that requires far more skill... 14 hours of training a day just to compete is insane but I am confident SCII will not require this kind of "slavery" to be among the upper echelon of players simply because of the drastic changes in macromanagement.
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On June 16 2008 12:37 OakHill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2008 11:44 HamerD wrote:
FUck that shit you have to be kdiding me. Any starcraft gosu would ROLL over all WC3 competition no problem. In case ppl hadn't realised wc3 is much easier to learn than sc, and its timings and strats are much easier too. And if you REALLy
REALLY
REALLY
think that grubby or moon could do as well as jaedong boxer flash nada oov july bisu etcetc at micro in wc3 then I think you are probably slightly insane because if you just watch the speed and accuracy of their clicks and their ability to multitask it clearly outranks any wc3 player. Add in the fact that (I think almost certainly) SC has more strategic depth and you get a game that any SC gosu could easily master and dominate at...imo. Have you heard of Elky? One of the best Starcraft players of his time was a terrible failure when he tried Warcraft and then made the move from War3 failure to poker. I expect the same from jaedon flash nada july bisu etc etc when SCII ships.
wut?
Didn't Elky win the first and only "OSL" for WC3 and quit because he thought the game fucking sucks?
Oh and yeah I believe the best players will be those who concentrate on practicing the most and not the ones who come from a specific game.
Koreans from professional teams obviously have the upper hand in this situation because they have a house full of other players willing to play pretty much all the time, coaches who take care they practice enough and things like that.
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FuDDx
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What,do tell, does a troll eat anyway?
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moon has the apm
and sc players will rule sc2 so this is irrelivant
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I honestly think you are all wrong. Sc2 will have its own generation of progamers. I really can't see any of the pros from either game making into the major leagues. Maybe I'll be eating these words some day. But we'll leave that to time.
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Only good SC players will keep good game sense when switching over to SC2. Even if mechanically the game is simpler and bridges the gap, other players just aren't gonna know what's going on. They're not gonna be finding exact timings on builds and that sort of stuff, because that's just a Starcraft thing.
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FragKrag knows OakHill has severe mental problems.
-FragKrag
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United States11393 Posts
On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
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War 3 players will stick to an economy of 5 and fail miserably.
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On June 16 2008 15:06 Krohm wrote:
I honestly think you are all wrong. Sc2 will have its own generation of progamers. I really can't see any of the pros from either game making into the major leagues. Maybe I'll be eating these words some day. But we'll leave that to time.
haha way to be different, fully support here! 
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That's just bullshit.
a) Gameplay is supposed to be much more similar to SC than WC3
b) Gameplay might still be different enough that both SC and WC3 players will have a hard time adjusting. Completely new players or players from other games might have an easier start with SC2
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Belgium8305 Posts
trolling is sooo last year
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Calgary25989 Posts
Well, judging by your post history, you are active in the WC3 community. All I'll say is that high level players from both games have said it's easier to go from SC to WC3. So the step down from SC2 will be easier than the step up from WC3. In the edge, the top SC2 players won't have much experience with either SC or WC3.
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Since there sadly will be automine and mbs I may have to agree =/
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NaDa actually played some WCIII and his account was 150-10 or something. It's reasonable that many SC pros would have tried WCIII because people were saying how SC would die a few years ago so even Boxer himself thought WC3 would become the next popular game in Korea.
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On June 17 2008 02:26 Bub wrote:
Since there sadly will be automine and mbs I may have to agree =/
that would only shrink the gap, not make the war3 players better.
moon will be quite good at sc2, kind of doubt it for the rest.
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Who cares about Moon when we have IdrA.
IdrA>all
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On June 17 2008 04:02 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:
Who cares about Moon when we have IdrA.
IdrA>all
I love your username =]
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Looks like Idra is a big OakHill fan
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On June 16 2008 11:00 ret wrote:
war3 players will be wandering around the map looking for creeps while sc players laugh and destroy their base.
lol i'm like the #10 person quoting it
but ret you own
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I hope blizzard restores sc2 to sc1 mechanically. I dont mind if its easier, but not to the extent they are doing. Workers having an icon saying when they are idle? Fine. Being able to select more than 12 units [say 20] ? Fine. Minor changes that make the game easier, but not drastically so. As is, Im not buying sc2...
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good job falling for the troll everyone....
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Maybe some skilled wow battleground gosu will be the sc2 bonjwa. Or maybe a well trained chimp.
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thedeadhaji
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On June 17 2008 03:26 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2008 02:26 Bub wrote:
Since there sadly will be automine and mbs I may have to agree =/
that would only shrink the gap, not make the war3 players better. moon will be quite good at sc2, kind of doubt it for the rest.
You forgot the part where Grubby is better than Moon though..
Not gonna go into a troll t hing but if War3 players went there Grubby -would- be the best. Ive seen him demolish Moon and Lucifer and everyone else he's played..
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On June 17 2008 05:44 NeoStorm wrote:
good job falling for the troll everyone....
Nobody fell for it. We get +1 post count =p
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On June 17 2008 04:02 JustQuitWarcraftIII wrote:
Who cares about Moon when we have IdrA.
IdrA>all
qft
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Hmm I do not at all belive that WC3 players will have an easier time in SC2. If there is one game I would recommend someone who wants to become good at RTS games in general I would go for SC. But then again, I have not played SC2.
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On June 16 2008 18:31 evanthebouncy! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2008 15:06 Krohm wrote:
I honestly think you are all wrong. Sc2 will have its own generation of progamers. I really can't see any of the pros from either game making into the major leagues. Maybe I'll be eating these words some day. But we'll leave that to time. haha way to be different, fully support here!
I third that, we won't see many familiars at the top after the game has matured, if any.
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On June 16 2008 12:37 OakHill wrote:
Have you heard of Elky? One of the best Starcraft players of his time was a terrible failure when he tried Warcraft and then made the move from War3 failure to poker. I expect the same from jaedon flash nada july bisu etc etc when SCII ships.
Have you heard of Tod ? One of the best Warcraft 3 players at the moment, he was a fucking noob at starcraft.
Elky didnt do well at War3 because he wasnt really interested by a sluggish micro RTS. Espêcially because he could earn thousands and thousands of $ with poker.
You are stupid and not even a good troll.
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On June 17 2008 22:16 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2008 12:37 OakHill wrote:
Have you heard of Elky? One of the best Starcraft players of his time was a terrible failure when he tried Warcraft and then made the move from War3 failure to poker. I expect the same from jaedon flash nada july bisu etc etc when SCII ships. Have you heard of Tod ? One of the best Warcraft 3 players at the moment, he was a fucking noob at starcraft. Elky didnt do well at War3 because he wasnt really interested by a sluggish micro RTS. Espêcially because he could earn thousands and thousands of $ with poker. You are stupid and not even a good troll.
You know how Tod wins Warcraft III games? Massing towers. In terms of skill he's not even top 50, he just knows how to win. And Elky didn't just decide to transition into poker, he did so because he continually failed at Warcraft III and only managed one top three finish. But that's better than most Starcraft players are capable of in a game that emphasizes micro instead of attack move and some occasional focus firing of priority units.
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Calgary25989 Posts
Yea, StarCraft players are newbies!
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On June 18 2008 02:04 OakHill wrote:
You know how Tod wins Warcraft III games? Massing towers.
I dont know how Tod play, but i know that he was a noob at bw and he is really good at War 3.
On June 18 2008 02:04 OakHill wrote:
in terms of skill he's not even top 50, he just knows how to win.
LOlolololololOLOLOLOLOLollolOLOLOLol
July suck at bw he just know how to micro mutas. In term of skill he's not even top 50. Yea i can troll too.
On June 18 2008 02:04 OakHill wrote:
And Elky didn't just decide to transition into poker, he did so because he continually failed at Warcraft III and only managed one top three finish.
You know him ? sources ?
I'm nearly sure that Elky left War3 because he didnt enjoy it and because he was already earning way more money at poker.
On June 18 2008 02:04 OakHill wrote:
But that's better than most Starcraft players are capable of in a game that emphasizes micro instead of attack move and some occasional focus firing of priority units.
Yea Starcraft players dont micro :D lololololololol
<3 you
Now grow some balls and make a post in the SC2 forum section because i want to see you banned.
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The best SC2 players will be SC2 players. How hard is that to understand? Whether they originally were from SC, WC3, or whether they don't play RTS much prior to SC2, it doesn't matter. SC2 players will own at SC2. What other games they play is irrelevant
It's like saying Street Fighter players should own at CS while Final Fantasy players have no shot.
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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On June 16 2008 11:52 fusionsdf wrote:
oakhill is currently the worst poster on TL
its not even fucking close
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On June 18 2008 02:06 Chill wrote:
Yea, StarCraft players are newbies!
Well I wouldn't quite say that but they rank somewhere around DOTA players!
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Calgary25989 Posts
On June 18 2008 07:28 OakHill wrote:Well I wouldn't quite say that but they rank somewhere around DOTA players!
I agree!
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The Elky thing is not even accurate. He came 2nd in the first major league, and retired not long after. Like virtually every other Starcraft player, he said that Warcraft3 left him bored because of its simplicity. Not bashing Warcraft3, they are different games. Starcraft IS the bar all other rts are judged by though, and war3 IS inferior. Still a good game of course, and I have to admit the amazing complexity and balance found in Starcraft, was part luck, part ten years of balance, and part genius.
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