EPTI wish there were some sort of semblance of balance b/w the various ethnicities w/ regards to race as a subject for a piece, b/c as it is, it's really rather ... petty.
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I wish there were some sort of semblance of balance b/w the various ethnicities w/ regards to race as a subject for a piece, b/c as it is, it's really rather ... petty. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On June 04 2008 11:27 fight_or_flight wrote: Where do you get time to read articles about race on espn haji? at lab. and they're really writing a lot of them over the last 6 months or so. I basically read every mlb section article that comes out, and most of the nba ones as well. | ||
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article contents are like... blacks get a bad beat. They dont get a 2nd chance. They are doubted right off. Shit is unfair, yadayada. | ||
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http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_011108.html | ||
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city42
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On June 04 2008 12:20 Jibba wrote: Eh? I think they're pretty balanced in terms of race. Maybe Scoop and Jamelle happen to do a lot of Page 2 stuff, but the main writers are white and black. I think you missed what the guy is saying. He means that whenever he sees an espn.com article that talks about a race-related issue in sports, the author is generally black (which unfortunately is true). The biggest offender is Jason Whitlock, although he doesn't work for ESPN anymore. Whenever he subs in for Rome, the radio show becomes three nightmarish hours of debating a racial issue, usually one that Whitlock has blown out of proportion. Here's an amusing example: Let me tell you how bad things are for Leftwich in Jacksonville. It's my opinion that coach Jack Del Rio intentionally keeps three black quarterbacks (David Garrard and Quinn Gray) just to keep some of the pressure off Leftwich, who isn't embraced by Dirty South football fans. | ||
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On June 04 2008 12:16 fight_or_flight wrote: I hate that so much. Reminds me of the feminists who are irate over hillary not winning. Read this...its amazing: http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_011108.html "yeah its so amazing" ! pretty typical of women; they're really got a sensitive + Show Spoiler + ass :O | ||
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Jibba
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On June 04 2008 12:54 city42 wrote: I think you missed what the guy is saying. He means that whenever he sees an espn.com article that talks about a race-related issue in sports, the author is generally black (which unfortunately is true). The biggest offender is Jason Whitlock, although he doesn't work for ESPN anymore. Whenever he subs in for Rome, the radio show becomes three nightmarish hours of debating a racial issue, usually one that Whitlock has blown out of proportion. Here's an amusing example: Oh, I did misread it. D: Whitlock is a giant racist, but most of the time he's pissing on black people. I'd imagine the KKK enjoys most of his articles. | ||
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On June 04 2008 13:40 cava wrote: Black people probably write more about racial issues because more black people are held back due to racism whereas white people generally are not. Its easy ro pretend racism doesn't exist when you are white. Since when are black people held back in sports? The majority of the NFL and NBA are black players... When it gets to hockey, and baseball I don't think that's true anymore. | ||
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Jibba
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On June 04 2008 16:38 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: Since when are black people held back in sports? The majority of the NFL and NBA are black players... When it gets to hockey, and baseball I don't think that's true anymore. They're held back from coaching and executive positions in the NFL. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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Also, their mistakes are typically magnified. recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. | ||
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Brent Barry could sprint past most players and jump over them, but you never heard him described as a superathlete. | ||
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Racism holds the white people down. Fuck you affirmative action. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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Cal had a fucking CAP on asians back in the 70's man LOLOLOL we be opressed!! | ||
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17% asians 17% black out of applicant pool 30% asian 10% black wait wha on a side note its b/c white people don't care about racism and asians don't like sports. every asian and his grandma wants to become an engineer/doctor/lawyer | ||
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besides, do you really care what marc stein thinks about racism in the NBA? or what ric bucher or dick vitale have to say? I don't | ||
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On June 04 2008 19:12 HamerD wrote: lol. Damn, race is going to be a big issue for a long time in America. Not that it's an better in England, but I like to think that the media are further away from constant jibber jabber about race issues. They tend to flare up from time to time in the press, and then disappear just as quickly. Seems like the more worrying issues in England are crime, schooling, taxes etc; and no one has time to bicker about the colour of their skin. Well we've had a much more recent and brutal past with the race issue. The Civil War only made the issue subside for a couple of decades, after Reconstruction it picked up again well into the 20th century. There'd probably be much less racial tension if we'd lost the Revolutionary War.  That said, the UK and Europe has its own issues with discrimination and bigotry, especially with Muslims. In that regard, MUCH more assimilation has occurred in the US than over there. | ||
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Jibba
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On June 05 2008 01:28 thedeadhaji wrote: I'd rather read a racial piece from a white dude than a black dude actually, b/c the black dude on espn ALWAYS takes the position of "the world is against us" and when the writer is part of the "us", it's really annoying =/. Writer should be detatched from the subject? idunno. Read more Whitlock. The dude is totally racist against black people, and he is black. | ||
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edit: well actually it's not that i don't want to hear "blacks are being fucked" period. It's just that it's annoying when the writers make it sound like they're getting fucked too and they're opressed etc. although they really prolly are being opressed. | ||
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tttt
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On June 04 2008 11:14 thedeadhaji wrote: Ever time I see an article about race on espn.com, it is invariably written by a black writer. It really is. Whether it be Stephen A. Smith, Scoop Jackson, or that woman whose name I don't remember b/c her writing isn't that hot, it's always written by black writers. Obviously it's b/c they are more sensitive to racial issues and perhaps have more of an eye for it, or perhaps their editors tell them to write things like that b/c their prose will be more tolerated than that of a white counterpart. I wish there were some sort of semblance of balance b/w the various ethnicities w/ regards to race as a subject for a piece, b/c as it is, it's really rather ... petty. That's the American media for you. They're convinced that if they run enough stories about imagined racial injustices, the gods of multiculturalism will resurrect Frederick Douglas to give them a slap on the back and a hearty "it's all good!". | ||
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QuanticHawk
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On June 04 2008 18:22 thedeadhaji wrote: exactly what I was going to say. Also, their mistakes are typically magnified. recall: Barry Bonds' vs Roger Clemens. I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. | ||
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On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote: I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. Clemens blows off Make-a-Wish kids. He's a scumbag. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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On June 05 2008 01:59 tttt wrote: Clemens blows off Make-a-Wish kids. He's a scumbag. Notice I didn't say he's a great dude? He's just not overtly a shithead like Bonds is/was, telling the media to piss off (at least prior to this past year), being a shithead to teamates ,etc. | ||
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On June 05 2008 02:03 Hawk wrote: Notice I didn't say he's a great dude? He's just not overtly a shithead like Bonds is/was, telling the media to piss off (at least prior to this past year), being a shithead to teamates ,etc. He's definitely not as outwardly antagonistic. I think I'd rather have a beer with Barry, though. Clemens seems like a smug, self satisfied prick. Barry knows he's an ass and just runs with it. I do wish he'd stop with the race card already, though. | ||
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Jibba
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On June 05 2008 01:59 Hawk wrote: I think that's pretty easy to argue that Bonds is a huge shit head personality wise, where Clemens is marginally a dick. Clemens is much more of a scumbag than Bonds. Bonds is just not personable, Clemens actually does bad things. And you're crazy if you think racism is imagined. True, it doesn't get covered properly, but it's there. | ||
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Xeris
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QuanticHawk
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On June 05 2008 01:28 thedeadhaji wrote: I'd rather read a racial piece from a white dude than a black dude actually, b/c the black dude on espn ALWAYS takes the position of "the world is against us" and when the writer is part of the "us", it's really annoying =/. Writer should be detatched from the subject? idunno. Yeah, but to an extent, you want someone who has experience it. But yeah, you don't want writers/reporters/etc who just take it cuz they are black too. Like that whole McNabb bullshit last year... I mean please.... He plays in what is arguably the nastiest sports city in the states. They love you when you're good but will throw you under the bus in a second when you start shitting the bed. Coincidently, when he said this shit, he was playing some of his worst football in a while, I mean come on. It was a bullshit defense mechanism to take the heat off of him. The dude has never been a really accurate QB, but was great because of his ability to make plays on the move. Take away his mobility and hes just slightly above average. The only thing that could be considered at all racist in the NFL would maybe be the thing someone mentioned about how very few blacks are owners/executives. I think there's two black gm's... the Texan's guy and one other... Coaches certainly have a fair crack. Every team HAS to interview at least one black dude now. The Niners got fined for this when they hired Nolan iirc, cuz they just went right to him. Purportioniately, there's more than a fair share of black coaches. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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On June 05 2008 02:10 tttt wrote: He's definitely not as outwardly antagonistic. I think I'd rather have a beer with Barry, though. Clemens seems like a smug, self satisfied prick. Barry knows he's an ass and just runs with it. I do wish he'd stop with the race card already, though. Meh, neither of them would be on my people to have a beer with list lol. I think they're both dicks, just in different ways. On June 05 2008 02:11 Jibba wrote: Clemens is much more of a scumbag than Bonds. Bonds is just not personable, Clemens actually does bad things. And you're crazy if you think racism is imagined. True, it doesn't get covered properly, but it's there. I'm not saying it's not there. Of course we've still got plenty of rednecks still who hate people for no other reason than their skin tone. I'm just saying that the main reason that most peolpe hate him is cuz he's just an unpersonable shithead (or whatever adjective you wanna describe him as) and a very obvious cheater who broke one of baseball's most significant records. I mean, there's plenty of really good non-whites who have a chance or would have had a chance to break it that people like or love. A-Rod has people already talking about him, and on the whole, I'd say he's a lot more liked than Bonds. If Griffey wasn't hurt every 2 weeks, he'd break it and people pretty much love the dude. I think this goes for all sports...yes, there is SOME racism present (and there always will be) but it is very much in decline from 30 years ago. It's just that our media blows things wayyyyyyy out of purportion because, hey, controversy sells. | ||
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On June 05 2008 02:12 Xeris wrote: well, just think about what would happen if a white dude wrote an article about racism in sports... he'd probably get mass hate male from ignorant retards who read it calling him a racist. haha that's a good point, didn't really consider that  well if a white guy wrote about how there's racial problems and it sucks, would he be labeled a racist despite supporting equalization of color? idk, retards prolly would. | ||
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Jibba
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On June 05 2008 02:17 Hawk wrote: Coaches certainly have a fair crack. Every team HAS to interview at least one black dude now. The Niners got fined for this when they hired Nolan iirc, cuz they just went right to him. Purportioniately, there's more than a fair share of black coaches. Plenty of teams take the fine or bring in a black interviewee just to meet the requirement. And it isn't proportional at all. Look at what the Lions have done during their last 3 coaching searches. Look how long it took for Dungy to get a head coaching position when he was one of the top defensive coordinators in the game for a while. The very fact that the NFL had to create a mandate for black coaches to be interviewed showcases that inequality. I meant racism in general is still alive in the US, not just in sports. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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But back to what I was saying bout purportions, there's four black HC's now, right? (Lovie, Dungy, Crenell and Lewis) out of 32 teams, so a little more than %12. Which is basically where blacks are at precentage wise in terms of national population. I don't necessarily think that's how we should strive to have things, regulated by a race's population (it should be best man for the job, always, and all those guys are pretty worthy coaches imo), but I think that's it's fair to say they are adaquately represented. | ||
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QuanticHawk
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There's a lot more then knowledge of the game that goes into coaching to, ability to relate to people, charisma, etc, but I'm sure you know this =p That would actually be a pretty interesting stat to see, the amount of coaches who played pro ball and who just started coaching and moved up. I'm pretty sure Gruden never played pro ball and started coaching at a real young age. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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lol at NFL and MLB, the yellow lights came on, and at "NBA is african american" I closed the article. Stephen A. doesn't disappoint! | ||
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