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ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 17:17:21
May 08 2008 13:45 GMT
#1
I'm starting to lose count of the number of times I've come into a clan war or nation war and realised that I've never heard of my opponent before, then made a few quick asumptions based on his team tag and his nationality and drawn the conclusion that he most likely is inferior to me. Which often is a correct asumption, but with one correction; he's most likely inferior to me in terms of mid- and late game skill.

The common follow up is that I make the decision to pick an all-inish rush build or a really unsafe macro build. Either I do it because of arrogance; I don't think he's worth my time, or I do it because I fear losing a mid/late game to him. The very possiblity that he might be better than me at my own forte scares me. But there's absolutely no logic in these choices and the more often lead to defeat than victory.

If he were in fact better than me at those things there would be a ton of stuff to learn from the game(s). I rarely get to play players better than me but when I do I improve alot from those games, so throwing away one would be such a stupid waste.

On the other hand, if my asumption is correct and I'm the better player then I don't have much to fear from entering mid-game, even if I do so with a slight disadvantage. Winning is always prefered to losing when playing worse opponents.

The second bane of my gameplay is the scar left behind by numerous of games against uncreative opponents that are doing their best to learn 'that new macro build'. When my opponents all play the same I start to expect them to play that way. And when I finally come across a free-thinker I'm too stuck up in my habits to counter his sudden move.

Even if I know the counters to nearly all cheeses I need to know that they're comming a certain time before the actually come in order to be able counter them. However, scouting is the first thing that suffers when your opponents get repitive.

Falling into those bad habits get even easier when I'm tired, which often is the case on weekdays. Tire also clouds my mind in other ways. Judgement suffers and I'm less likely to percieve the threat of certain things.

Just yesterday I had a guy lift a factory into my main. I knew it was comming all along cause I had seen him send out a second scv to the direction where you normally build the proxy factory in order to easily lift it into the main. I could have pulled off a drone and prevented him from landing the factory - but I opted for a sunken. The cost of those two alternatives would most likely have been the same. But I had forgotten the nature of the map I was playing, so instead of one sunken I needed 3, and that only to defend my main. Need I say I lost the game? Badly too.

Another common situation is when my opponents are academy rushing. I start to relaise that somethings not right - he should have expoed by now. Yet I don't want to lay down those creep colonies because they would delay my spire five to ten seconds. And when he finally moves out it turnes out the distance inbetween our bases was not really long enought to give my sunkens time to complete. And I die to an academy rush, ain't it pathetic? Even if he had in fact done an expand it would have been so late that I easily could have delayed my spire alittle without getting behind.


Basicly what I've wanted to say with all this are these things:
1: Know your strenghts and shape the game so that you have use of them.
2: Avoid asumption and always be prepared for something new. Don't let bad habits get the best of you. There's no excuses for not scouting.
3: Take every threat seriously. If he dedicates his whole build to a rush, then why should you not dedicate your whole build to countering it?
4: Being arrogant is the easiest way to play below your potential.

(5: Don't play important games when you're tired and/or have cold hands.)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 08 2008 14:38 GMT
#2
Oh ain't this true. These bad habits especially come forth from excessive iccup:ing.

I always use macro builds against tough opponents though. It's fun to see how well you can match them, and where exactly you go wrong.

Usually it's not the macro faultering. But my inferior game/strategy sense during mid and late game.

zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 08 2008 16:06 GMT
#3
I'm not inferior to you
H
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
New Zealand6138 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 16:57:40
May 08 2008 16:53 GMT
#4
On May 08 2008 22:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:

Another common situation is when my opponents are academy rushing. I start to relaise that somethings not right - he should have expoed by now. Yet I don't want to lay down those creep colonies because they would delay my spire five to ten seconds. And when he finally moves out it turnes out the distance inbetween our bases was not really long enought to give my sunkens time to complete. And I die to an academy rush, ain't it pathetic? Even if he had in fact done an expand it would have been so late that I easily could have delayed my spire alittle without getting behind.


sAviOr.. is that you?


On May 08 2008 22:45 ZerG~LegenD wrote:

(5: Don't play important games when you're tired and/or have cold hands.)


This is so annoying. In the cold weather here my mouse hand feels like I am moving it through molasses, and my keyboard hand is numb.
[iHs]HCO | のヮの | pachi & plexa ownz | RIP _
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
May 08 2008 17:22 GMT
#5
I'm curious (particularly so because you sound a lot like myself), how do you know you are superior or better than your opponent if you're not responding to situations correctly? What criteria do you use to judge one's skill, and how do you know you exceed it?
Happiness only real when shared.
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
May 08 2008 17:39 GMT
#6
oh ok so pretty much youre superior to a bunch of these players you play but you lose to them anyway (but youre still superior) and then its the fault of all those 'uncreative' players that you cant think or adapt during a game ok i get it.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
May 08 2008 17:41 GMT
#7
and while i agree that playing against a lot of players who do the same thing hurts your game you sound like a faggot making all of these assumptions about those players. theyre just 'uncreative players trying to learn that new macro build'. what if theyre just trying to practice their mechanics so they do a standard build in order to focus on mechanics? what if they think youre just really ez and so playing standard is the safest way to win against ez opponents?
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
May 08 2008 17:42 GMT
#8
It's just a guess, based on the fact that if I don't know about them chances are that their skill don't exceed a certain level. Of course there's exceptions but they're few in comparsion.

I think I have really high skill tops but poor stability, much because of the reasons mentioned in this post. By writing it down and posting it I hope that they'll stick into my mind so that I'm less likely to fall prey to these things in the future. And of course, someone else might have use of it too.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
ZerG~LegenD
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Sweden1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 19:46:22
May 08 2008 17:53 GMT
#9
On May 09 2008 02:41 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote:
and while i agree that playing against a lot of players who do the same thing hurts your game you sound like a faggot making all of these assumptions about those players. theyre just 'uncreative players trying to learn that new macro build'. what if theyre just trying to practice their mechanics so they do a standard build in order to focus on mechanics? what if they think youre just really ez and so playing standard is the safest way to win against ez opponents?
Yes! Exactly! That's the problem. Except that their reasons doesn't matter. They're not the ones blamed. When a rock gets in your path you don't ask why it's there, you move around it.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
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