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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-29 02:13:07
January 28 2008 23:07 GMT
#1
Just reset my stats because I want to actually try to do good on iCCup - I've just totally changed my ZvP style (and thanks to iCCup and the guy who taught me it, all my mu's have gotten no practice in comparison to my ZvP -_-) Last season I got C-, this season I'm really hoping I can get C, but whenever I encounter a ZvZ or ZvT I have much much more trouble.

So, just reset my stats and so far I'm 7-0, 1910. Had some extremely close games. Games all on Python.

Game 1: ZvT
This was an pretty unexciting game, first 5 lurkers popped, 2 ctrl groups of zerglings and lurkers and the guy can't micro his units at all, loses half of them to the first few spikes, desperately throws up a turret but I rush in just before it finishes. I didn't go mutas because mutas are much more risky (especially since I tend to get greedy) and for the D/D+ level I don't think Terrans are very good vs lurkers lol.

Game 2: ZvP
My opponent does a 2gate rush, I see it and he does no damage at all, after this he rushes to high templar and tries to get an expansion but I come in with my lurkers and deny him from making a cannon and forcing him back up his ramp. Then, for some reason he builds a pylon, is ready to place a cannon but FORGETS, and doesn't even block his ramp with units, his units are all in his mineral line!! -_- so I just go in with about 5 lurkers and kill the pylon and start hitting the gates, the guy tries to get observers but after he gets observatory he doesn't have psi. Then, after he gets psi, he completely forgets again to make the observers. And I was all ready with mutas and scourge -_-. Here's a good screenshot to describe this uneventful game, take note of the 3 observers he's trying to make after forgetting...
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Game 3: ZvP
I delay this guys fast expand nexus (he doesn't even make it at 14, but at 13 o.o) and he gets about 550 minerals before finally being able to make the nexus, and what I've kind of noticed is that lots of iCCup low level players have the WORST, ABSOLUTE WORST fe placement in the world. I was deciding to just 3 hatch speedling that bad defense but then I decided to play standard and go for some lurkers. I come in with a contain just in time, killing off TWO of his gateways due to the crappy placement as well as a forge, literally seconds away from finishing +1.
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Scourging his first observers

Then, the guy makes his gates near the cliff, and my lurks are able to shoot up the cliff and take out a total of THREE gateways. Really, bad placement hurts. I contain and drop his island expo with defiler and some lings to take it out, he finally breaks out but by then I've taken most of the map and overrun him with ultraling and a defiler.

Game 4: ZvP
This was probably my toughest game out of today. I was at 12 and he was at 3, and I scouted him doing a fast +1 speedzeals rush. Thanks to Nyoken (and asking him for some tips against this build), who I asked yesterday, I effectively fended off his zealot rush and my lurkers once again were able to do a small contain. Taking out his forge JUST before +2 finished for him, so I've gotten really lucky taking out the forges these games. He had good timing with observers and was able to push out before I had too many lurkers, though I did take out one obs with my scourge he had another one almost immediately after. He quickly took his bottom right expansion while pressuring me with lots of units, I kept trying to expand but he sent little task forces to dispatch of them while using his main army to engage mine. Many battles engaged where my scourge took out obs but he just had too many units for me to completely kill his army. Once it got to late game, however, there was a point where he only had 1 base mining and he had forgotten to transfer some probes over to his new base. I took advantage of his low army count and killed his army and immediately took 3 more expansions as well as dropping to both the islands and taking those as well. He realized his mistake and had such small army size that he began to turtle with reavers, but I repeatedly took out his bottom right and then later took out his main, where he GGed. This guy really didn't have a good record at all (if I remember correctly) but he was probably the only person I felt was going to beat me.

Game 5: ZvZ
Misplaced lings and sunkens, I rush up his ramp, kill half of his drones, then it's gg soon after.
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Game 6: ZvT
Saw this Terran and only saw one barracks, on top of that it was really far from the ramp. I thought he was going to FE. Little did I know he added a second barracks as soon as my drone wasn't there and rushed me with 6-7 marines, getting by before my sunks finished or before I had any lings at all.
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He killed my main, but then I continued mass lings until my spawning pool died and did a bit of damage.
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And several more just like that.

I once again got another spawning pool, got speed and massed lings, he pushed out and I lingstabbed him - he was very noobish and put his first tank in sunk range, and while his main was dead and his second tank was there, he rushed in with his 3 vults and 8 rines and 4 medics or so and died all because I had 3-4 sunkens. It was a GG soon after.
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Before
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After


Game 7: ZvP
Set up a lurk contain, blah blah, some reason my hatcheries kept having really screwy rally points, but anyways he broke my lurker contain and then I just nonstop streamed in with low tier units.
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Lots of reinforcements prepared to come in from the back as well


Game 8: Playing right now, I'm 1910 almost D+ 7-0. With this I hopefully will be 2040 and 8-0

Edit: Game 8: ZvP
Enemy goes reavers and zeals, like a reaver/sair hybrid, just lots of mass hydras and it's a win. 8-0 and 2040 now.

http://iccup.com/profile.php?lookup=25826
All these people I played really weren't very good at all, I hope that D+ will have better games and hope that I can get C this season!

Rep pack for first 7 games if for some reason you're interested -_- http://www.savefile.com/files/1346629

***
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
January 28 2008 23:44 GMT
#2
I'll do the next games when I'm C- or almost C-. I'm expecting to lose some this time though.
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Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 29 2008 00:26 GMT
#3
Nice, I was hoping a Z player would do something like this. Can't wait to see you start playing other C level players. Do you think I stand to learn anything from these first 7 reps, or should I just wait for later ones?
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
January 29 2008 00:34 GMT
#4
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 29 2008 00:36 GMT
#5
On January 29 2008 09:34 ATeddyBear wrote:
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players


Just make 10000 corsairs. It's flawless!
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 29 2008 00:39 GMT
#6
On January 29 2008 09:36 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2008 09:34 ATeddyBear wrote:
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players


Just make 10000 corsairs. It's flawless!

Shhh.... I was going to make a post trying to convince him that corsairs HT's and reavers were useless pvz. Now you went and screwed that up. Race Traitor.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
January 29 2008 00:53 GMT
#7
and what I've kind of noticed is that lots of iCCup low level players have the WORST, ABSOLUTE WORST fe placement in the world.


I can attest, this is true. Since I play python all the time (n00b) and have given up FE vs Zerg on it, I always go two gate tech. However, I really need to learn more than one BO. I usually get killed by hydra timing attacks.

Is there any advice that I should follow other than just watch PvZ replays on Python from all four spawn locations and watch where they P puts their buildings?

I watched the replay and my expansion often gets raped in a manner similar to his ... he kills forger and gateways while my cannons can't even get to him.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
January 29 2008 01:14 GMT
#8
good to see you improved since last time we played young superiorwolf, if you wanna play some hamachi ZvZ/PvZ for practice (Me P) I'm down, server Cha5//5. Or we cna go ICCup if you want :D
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 29 2008 01:27 GMT
#9
On January 29 2008 09:39 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2008 09:36 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On January 29 2008 09:34 ATeddyBear wrote:
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players


Just make 10000 corsairs. It's flawless!

Shhh.... I was going to make a post trying to convince him that corsairs HT's and reavers were useless pvz. Now you went and screwed that up. Race Traitor.


It's alright, little does he know that + Show Spoiler [ Protoss Users Don't Click Me] +
Corsairs don't help when the z 4pools every game, kekekekekeke. A+ here I come.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
January 29 2008 01:55 GMT
#10
meanies
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
January 29 2008 02:11 GMT
#11
On January 29 2008 09:26 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Nice, I was hoping a Z player would do something like this. Can't wait to see you start playing other C level players. Do you think I stand to learn anything from these first 7 reps, or should I just wait for later ones?

You should probably wait, or download reps from very good players like progamers or top foreigners like incontrol or something Anyways, you could watch them and learn a bit maybe for my next rank. I don't know your rank though and I really think you would learn a lot more watching better people than me.

On January 29 2008 09:26 ATeddyBear wrote:
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players

ya, if you don't let us get ~4 expansions and ultraling then it's good. lots of dt and ht drops are annoying but you have to watch out for scourge around the base perimeters. very annoying!!

On January 29 2008 09:26 Ancestral wrote:
I can attest, this is true. Since I play python all the time (n00b) and have given up FE vs Zerg on it, I always go two gate tech. However, I really need to learn more than one BO. I usually get killed by hydra timing attacks.

Is there any advice that I should follow other than just watch PvZ replays on Python from all four spawn locations and watch where they P puts their buildings?

I watched the replay and my expansion often gets raped in a manner similar to his ... he kills forger and gateways while my cannons can't even get to him.

Here is a really nice thread for FE positions on popular maps (ie python). The 12 o clock python position does not work though, there is a post on page 4 I think with a more correct version.
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62652


And monkeyspanker I really want to play you because my ZvT / ZvZ really needs work!
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
January 29 2008 03:20 GMT
#12
I know I would learn more from watching pro's, I just feel like at this point, I need to learn from people closer to the normal player, players that have to cope with the same things I do.
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
January 29 2008 04:58 GMT
#13
Behold the words of superiorwolf
Here is a really nice thread for FE positions on popular maps (ie python). The 12 o clock python position does not work though, there is a post on page 4 I think with a more correct version.
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=62652

Hey thanks a lot! Although this won't solve my FE failure 100%, the more variations I can learn the more weapons I have to react to what I scout, and this should be a big one!

GL with your ICCup!

(Superiorwolf fighting)
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
January 29 2008 07:01 GMT
#14
lol man
so far, all my tvzs have been vs 4pool....sucks so much
im deaf
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
January 29 2008 10:31 GMT
#15
On January 29 2008 09:36 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2008 09:34 ATeddyBear wrote:
got any advice for us P players vs u damn Z players


Just make 10000 corsairs. It's flawless!


Eeeeeehhh you could squeeze by with 9001. If you micro them.

Anyway GG SuperiorWolf
aka Moletrap
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 29 2008 13:36 GMT
#16
Very nice blog! Enjoyed that! Kep it up please
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
January 29 2008 16:40 GMT
#17
I'm... quite speechless...

just because I said your zvp could possibly be C, this is the result?
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