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On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music.
This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre.
Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion.
Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature.
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On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls.
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On January 03 2008 23:30 nA.Inky wrote:
One thing that cracks me up are people who say they listen and enjoy "everything." Invariably this means they like whatever is on MTV/VH1, and maybe the 2 or 3 biggest radio stations. So they like some mainstream country, mainstream alternative, maybe some hiphop, and maybe some rock. This amounts to "everything."
Anyone who "likes everything" simply does not have very discerning taste. I get this a lot when I'm dating women - they say they like all music. I take this as a sure sign that music is not on the table for discussion. (These people never care much about music at all.) TBH I'd probably classify myself as one of those people. Obviously I can't claim that I actually like all music, but I'm able to at least tolerate pretty much every musical genre (well...except Mariachi, but that's a different story). I'm going to assume that these kind of people pretty much just have a similar mindset and when confronted with a question like "what music do you like" will just say they like everything. What you should probably ask them is what musical genre is their favorite, in which case I would say death metal, hardcore punk, and...
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emo, there I said it....don't look at me like that! (btw, by emo I don't mean bands like FoB, MCR, Paramore, or any other bands in whatever genre you'd call that).
However if after confronted with that question they still say everything...well then they really are dumbasses.
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On January 04 2008 03:22 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls.
listen to Vintersorg
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On January 04 2008 04:33 AmorVincitOmnia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 03:22 Jibba wrote:On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls. listen to Vintersorg
Listen to Mercenary - Clean Vocals
Listen to Darkane - Majority clean vocals.
etc tec
There's ALOT of non death growl bands in Melodic Death metal and the like.
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i was talking more specifically about black metal
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On January 03 2008 16:42 Drowsy wrote:It took some exposure to less extreme forms like Opeth, My Dying Bride, Anathema, and Fear Factory before I started realizing that maybe metal had more artistic integrity than I'd thought.
you just named my top 3 alltime 
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I will kinda second what Falcynn said. I call myself a metalhead, but there are very few genre's that I dislike on the whole, the only one I can think of is country, or at least the last 20 or so years of country, (I am a big Waylon Jennings fan.) Oh, and the newish stuff that I guess is kind of metal where they don't follow a fucking beat, like Norma Jean. I saw them in a concert, it was probably ozzfest or sounds of the underground, and I just wanted to stab babies.
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On January 04 2008 03:22 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls.
Most of the well known and popular ones are eh? Well, let's take a look at that. Compare Cannibal Corpse(gore, violence, murder, rape, etc.), Morbid Angel(Sumerian Gods, War, Spirituality), Decapitated(Nihilism, Misanthropy), and Nile(Ancient Egyptian Mythology). I'm definitely not seeing it.
These are the types of sweeping generalizations that metal falls prey too every day all day.
On January 03 2008 23:30 nA.Inky wrote:
One thing that cracks me up are people who say they listen and enjoy "everything." Invariably this means they like whatever is on MTV/VH1, and maybe the 2 or 3 biggest radio stations. So they like some mainstream country, mainstream alternative, maybe some hiphop, and maybe some rock. This amounts to "everything."
Anyone who "likes everything" simply does not have very discerning taste. I get this a lot when I'm dating women - they say they like all music. I take this as a sure sign that music is not on the table for discussion. (These people never care much about music at all.)
Definitely. Anyone who says "I like everything lolzsxl!" likes everything they're told to like, these people are usually the most close-minded and least ecclectic. In my personal opinion, a person's musical open-mindedness is strongly correlated by how removed from the mainstream the music they listen to is. I.E Jazz, techno, Ambient, Classical, and (some) metalheads are generallythe ones with more refined, open minded, and varied music tastes.
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Agreed with Drowsy - venturing out of the mainstream is a sure sign of interest in music and musical knowledge. It's not even that mainstream music is bad, but it's a very narrow slice of music and what is musically possible. Anyone who really loves music could not confine themselves to the mainstream, even if they like mainstream music. (I, for example, love stuff like Stone Temple Pilots, Cranberries, Porno For Pyro's, Jane's Addiction... Beatles, The Rolling STones, The Who, Creedence...all radio friendly mainstream bands, at least at one time.)
Most people who say they like everything (and let me stress the word *MOST*) just mean they like what music they've heard, and the vast majority of what they have heard is mainstream. Well, this has been my experience anyway. Maybe people are radically different outside of my city.
Music is about as big an interest to me as anything. I've studied it on my own and in school, I play it (classical and otherwise), and I think about it deeply on a daily basis (even when I'm not listening to it.) What I find is that as my taste is refined and I explore new sounds and styles (essentially grow musically), I also realize more and more what I do not appreciate musically. So it would not be inaccurate to say that I like more and more music all the time, and that I simultaneously dislike more music all the time.
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On January 04 2008 07:26 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 03:22 Jibba wrote:On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls. Most of the well known and popular ones are eh? Well, let's take a look at that. Compare Cannibal Corpse(gore, violence, murder, rape, etc.), Morbid Angel(Sumerian Gods, War, Spirituality), Decapitated(Nihilism, Misanthropy), and Nile(Ancient Egyptian Mythology). I'm definitely not seeing it. These are the types of sweeping generalizations that metal falls prey too every day all day. Are you honestly trying to say death metal lyrics aren't focused around death and satanism? I know some Morbid Angel stuff definitely is.
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People don't like metal because it sounds so angry.
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On January 04 2008 10:40 gLyo wrote:
People don't like metal because it sounds so angry.
Does Iron Maiden sound angry? No? I rest my point LOL.
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Csus2 owns E minor any day.
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Jibba says: "Are you honestly trying to say death metal lyrics aren't focused around death and satanism? I know some Morbid Angel stuff definitely is."
Some do. But bands like Dying Fetus and Beneathe the Massacre (both fairly prominent death metal bands) focus almost exclusively (if not exclusively) upon social issues like economic injustice, war, fascism, etc. Many focus on war. Some focus on strange mental states...insanity, etc... Cephalic Carnage is all humor based (basically parodying death metal, grindcore, and sci fi/horror fiction/movies). It varies.... As to what percentage of bands focus on what topic, I cannot say...
Usually the subject matter is somber, but that's not the same thing...
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One thing about my musical taste, and I am curious how others look at this: I like much music, but one thing I virtually always favor in my music (both what I create and what I listen to) is an organic sound. I do not like electronic/synthesized sounds. I do like music that has synthesized elements, but I invariably prefer an organic sound. I don't classify electric guitars, and the like, as synthetic, just to be clear (electric guitar is my instrument.)
Also, outside of metal and some rock, I am getting to where I prefer no percussion, or if there is percussion, I prefer non-standard percussion (ie world drums like tabla.)
Some of my own musical interests just lately:
My own music, which I wish I could post but cannot: free improv music with a friend of mine; two electric guitars played with zero distortion but use of other effects (particularly tap tempo delays and wah). It's been compared to video game music, but mostly it is just a kind of spacious, rambling ambient music with occasional non-tempo parts, and free jazz/atonal parts. It is essentially drug music, even though neither of us really use drugs. The two of us would just sit down and start playing, recording everything. I was amazed at how good this approach was - so much so that I have essentially abandoned composition in favor of improv. If I ever can post it, I will - it is on tape, tho, and beyond that, being on dialup, it would be difficult to upload 45 minute slabs of music.
Joanna Newsom - "Y's" - kind of folky/traditional music. Newsom is a harpist and singer. On the album "Y's," she does these long rambling songs (most around 10 minutes in length) and they are beautiful. There is some pretty nice orchestration on the album; instruments come in and leave (violins, cellos, banjos, guitars... etc), making the sound very dynamic. The music seems very reflective, sometimes wistful, sometimes happy. Newsom's voice is strange - simultaneously childlike and weathered. This is a present favorite.
Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F# A# (Infinity)- primarily instrumental music (the exception being taped voices - a crazy sounding street preacher, for example), with expansive, repetitive sections that gradually build in intensity. The music is often light on percussion, but guitars, violins, cellos, horns, and more are used (it is a 13 member band). The music is often somber, but there are parts where the sun clearly shines through. The themes behind the music seem to revolve around social decay, the mundane horror of modern life, and so on (the band is made up of anarchists.) This music is simply beautiful. I mean mind-bogglingly beautiful... haunting.... etc. A definite favorite.
Gorguts - Obscura - Gorguts, on this record, developed a very experimental/strange approach to death metal. The sound is like twisted, rusted metal forming itself into some kind of lifeform. Squawking, screaming, clanky guitars, slightly off kilter (but very technical and brutal) drumming, and vocals that sound like a man being burned alive (high pitched raspy screams.) This record is apparently a meditation on the process of dying - it is incredibly somber. The production here lets you hear every sound clearly at the same time. The band threw out all the rules on this one, and it just kicks ass. They make riffs out of sounds and melodies and riffs that are very unconventional. This is psychedelic horror.
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On January 04 2008 10:02 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2008 07:26 Drowsy wrote:On January 04 2008 03:22 Jibba wrote:On January 04 2008 02:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:On January 04 2008 00:21 Jibba wrote:On January 03 2008 21:27 Orome wrote:
I don't doubt what they do is of great quality if you were willing to get used to "death growls", but I find the attitude they convey with their music sad. I'll stick to Billy Joel.^^
Agreed. The reason I dislike black metal is really just the lack of singing, and sometimes the lyrics. Bad lyrics from any genre annoy me, but I can tolerate it as long as I like the vocals. Maiden, Rammstein, Avenged, Atreyu, etc. that stuff I can listen to. It's very easy to dislike MCR because of their image and I used to, but if you listen to Parade without knowing their image or who made it, it's actually a very good album, sonically. I dislike Paramore a lot more and I don't think it's very good music, but I guess it's sort of subjective. I detest Nickelback more than any other pop music, though. The music is terrible and Chad Kroeger's lyrics are some of the worst on the planet. "Rock Star" is like a combination of the worst part of rap music with the worst part of rock music. This is the exact stereotype we speak of that is portrayed by the mainstream bands in the genre. Not all Death Metal/Black Metal have lyrical themes that include violence, rape, murder, or are against religion. Many of them have historical backdrops, or are more philosophical in nature. Of course, but the most well known and popular ones are. And still, like I said, the lyrics are secondary to the sound itself. I don't like listening to death growls. Most of the well known and popular ones are eh? Well, let's take a look at that. Compare Cannibal Corpse(gore, violence, murder, rape, etc.), Morbid Angel(Sumerian Gods, War, Spirituality), Decapitated(Nihilism, Misanthropy), and Nile(Ancient Egyptian Mythology). I'm definitely not seeing it. These are the types of sweeping generalizations that metal falls prey too every day all day. Are you honestly trying to say death metal lyrics aren't focused around death and satanism? I know some Morbid Angel stuff definitely is.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm argueing. A large majority of death metal isn't about death or satanism.
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