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United States24761 Posts
I've brought this up with plenty of people countless times but never get anywhere. The more people I get the perspective of, the more likely I am to find a suitable solution to a specific problem. Some points:
1) I'm the kind of player who only enjoys sc when he is fully in practice and playing regularly. Otherwise, it gets overly frustrating as I struggle to keep up with what I know I should be able to do.
2) At this stage in my life I'm currently unable to dedicate enough time to sc to practice regularly or mass game to stay in shape.
3) When I try to quit the game or don't play at all for a while, I get pulled right back, one step below withdrawal. It would seem that I am addicted to improving at 1v1 through competition and community involvement.
Conclusion: I can't quit without being unhappy, and probably getting sucked back with the same problems. I can't play casually because if it's too casual I won't satisfy my craving for competition, but if it isn't too casual I will get highly frustrated at my rusty play. I've tried many suggestions that haven't helped but one someone just told me is to consider training someone in my spare time. This is more flexible if I'm busy for a while, yet if I'm really lucky it will satisfy my craving as I play through my trainee (someone for example trying to get from d- to c-). It will be like being a bad American parent, essentially.
I'm curious to see if people have comments about that one suggestion above, or if they have other suggestions. Please, before you make a brusque suggestion, consider what response to it I may have and adjust your suggestion accordingly. This will possibly save time and reduce arguing. Thanks to all who consider this.
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Some people just have better hand eye cordination. Im guessing you don't.
When i play i cant remembered what i hotkeyed or to move the units i hotkeyed. I also forget that i hotkeyed my building to create units and its just a diaster. So i play Non money maps for fun and play Zero clutter and shit to kick ass haha.
Edit: my suggestion is to play money maps 
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just don't play 1vs1 and stick to 2vs2s and 3vs3 once in a while
and the occasional 1v1 never hurts vs no one good..
but yeah i feel ya it gets really frustrating when you know a 'in shape' you would do alot better
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just accept that there is no quitting starcraft.
ever 8D
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United States24761 Posts
On November 24 2007 16:50 Dr.Kill-Joy wrote:Some people just have better hand eye cordination. Im guessing you don't. When i play i cant remembered what i hotkeyed or to move the units i hotkeyed. I also forget that i hotkeyed my building to create units and its just a diaster. So i play Non money maps for fun and play Zero clutter and shit to kick ass haha. Edit: my suggestion is to play money maps R U 4 REAL? :o
On November 24 2007 16:55 greatmeh wrote:
just don't play 1vs1 and stick to 2vs2s and 3vs3 once in a while
and the occasional 1v1 never hurts vs no one good..
but yeah i feel ya it gets really frustrating when you know a 'in shape' you would do alot better One of the previous suggestions was to stick to team games, and I tried that for a while but unfortunately it didn't help in the slightest. Plus, the 'occasional 1v1' is problematic since it just exacerbates the problem.
On November 24 2007 16:56 paper wrote:
just accept that there is no quitting starcraft.
ever 8D In all seriousness, if I am resigned to the fact that I will not be quitting, does that mean I'm forced to play and get highly frustrated most of the time? I'm hoping there's some alternative we've all been missing.
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ah just stick to bowling micronesia no need to play sc. ^^
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United States24761 Posts
On November 24 2007 17:03 DukE_ss wrote:
ah just stick to bowling micronesia no need to play sc. ^^ Lol... if I stick to bowling my life will come to an abrupt end at the hands of a cat launcher (while playing Russian Roulette).
Unless things with bowling improve. Man every aspect of my life related to entertainment is sucking right now, and I'm at the point of my career where work sucks the most. WTF is going on. At least I have food+shelter either way.
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I can only relate my own story. At my best, I was a pretty skilled player, capable of taking down some name players here and there (of course I was not as good as said players), so I know what it is like to be dedicated and to practice. I was addicted to BW from patch 1.07, starting back in 2000, or so, all the way to Summer 2005.
My social life was sucking, and I was depressed about that. The game was kind of getting stagnant, though it was still very fun. I made a conscious decision to quit BW to focus on making friends and meeting women. Of course, at that time, which took 3 or 4 months, I failed miserably at making friends and meeting women, but by the time Winter rolled around and I fell back into BW, enough time elapsed for me to have lost a considerable amount of skill. I regained a lot over Winter break, but it just wasn't the same. So I quit again and decided to work more on art and music and other interests. After that it just wasn't easy enough to get back into BW - I sucked and, like you, I couldn't play if I wasn't at my best level and improving.
So.. my advice? Cold turkey. Make a decision. Stop playing. Throw away the disc. It's worth it. BW is a trap. The only way it is good is if you are competitive, and to be competitive you have to sacrifice your life. For what? This game is going nowhere. It's a brilliant game, but it's going nowhere - the game also lacks the beauty and excitement it did a few years ago. It is soooooo stagnant. Find something that will enrich your life for good, and stick to that. Fill the void left by BW with something new. Learn to juggle. Learn an instrument. Learn a skill. Pick up art. Pick up women. Visit friends. Socialize. Learn something. Get yourself in shape.
Sometimes I itch for BW - I still have my disc. But there is no easy way for me to find opponents. And I suck so much now that the idea of playing is very unappealing when I give it any thought. Even replays suck these days. I'm glad I left it behind. I'm better than I've ever been on guitar, and I've been with several women - I was very serious with one of them. I have plenty of friends and a better and more balanced outlook on life. I am in excellent physical condition.
Well, looking at this, I see it is no help to you. Hopefully it is some kind of support/encouragement, though. I have no regrets about quitting. It sounds like you want to quit... so the best I can say is do it like any other addict, throw your shit away and just go through it. Find something else to dig into.
Nick
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You should probably try to stick to a small group of players you know and that you like who are playing at the same rate as you are. Even if they are weaker than you it should not be much of a problem.
Make fun with the games you play, try funny things, go wild, stick away from standard builds and play for the fun to try someting.
Basically the two ideas I can give.
hope this helped.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
You know, I know how it feels. I play multiplayer SC since like 2000, but over that period, I've quitted several times for various reason. Basically, I understand the game better than I play it because I lack training. I write guides on strategy, but in a real game I seem to forget it all and all the while correct my own mistakes instead of focusing on the enemy, like not building pylons in time, not getting gateways in time. Then I find myself with 1500/1000 in the bank and an opponent's army at my door. It is VERY painful to lose that way because often you know that your opponent is inferior to you, you go through his rep and say "here, here and here, you've done stupid things and should have lost" but he won because you were out of shape. And you simply don't have the time to practice enough to keep in shape. You feel struggling with yourself and losing that fight is very humiliating. Basically, when an balanced developed player improves at the game, he finds joy because he starts undrstanding new stuff and is able to observe his own progress. Mass playing for me only brings frustration. It's a huge problem, but methinks you have two opportunities:
1) Realize how much time you spend reading TL.net, viewing VODs and replays, playing with the computer and conclude that time would've better be spent on practice. Find someone of your level on TL.net and practice with him occasionally. I have several such people on my hamachi list and we are playing games sometimes.
2) Treat StarCraft as a hobby. Like chess, you might have pleasure playing a game or two, and then going off to other business, you don't have an intention to become a grandmaster anyway. Stop thinking about how you need to improve and try to pose SC as a leisure time filler and a good way to spend time with a friend. It's a mix of these two for me, but competetive attitude will only bring frustration.
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I had the same feelings many years back. When I start a competitive game, I want to become good, but I just never had the time to put enough effort in it. I always was in the average region with a few "lucky" wins against better players. But no chance to ever raise to the top. Which was frustrating.
I then thought about the situation and did exactly what Bluzman suggested in #2 here.
I just tried to play for fun, to keep my level, and to have fun killing worse players.
After some time, it got boring though. Which was the reason that I quit (sort of).
It's been almost a year now since my last active game of SC. I still have the game installed, because I'm sometimes playing it with friends on a LAN. Or if a friend wants a quick game. But that's about it.
I'm basically just watching progamer VODs now, which is entertaining enough for me, and there's zero frustration involved.
I'm pretty sure there are many others here who aren't active anymore (not that surprising if you started playing many years ago) but are still around because of the awesome Korean scene.
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Stop being an addict. Unlike substance abuse, this one is purely mental.
Uninstall SC and give the CD to someone else to "hold onto," don't come back to TL, and don't talk to other people about StarCraft.
End of story.
If you say something along the lines of "Waah, but I want to still bet on liquibet and talk to people on TL," or some other excuse to be involved in SC, then you aren't ready to quit.
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Micro what are you talking about. You can't quit sc, I simply won't let you.
A serious response now. Perhaps you could dedicate less time to sc and please your need for seeing your online friends and playing the game you love if you somehow spent the time you were online more efficiently? Just play a few games with me, cali, known, or go to iccup and play a few competitive games. Playing 3-4 competitive games is a lot better than playing with certain nubs who you know you can easily win against. (I do this same thing to with faust, you do it with suppy who if i'm not mistaken doesn't give you competitive games.)
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Well, i think you cant really *quit* sc, but you can lose heavily the interest in it. It happened to me because i lost most of my friends; i was too good for them and no one would play against me (back when i was B on PGT). So after playing WCG and pgt went down, i was too lazy to install those korean servers.
Now that iccup has appeared, im just lazy to run the software and go, plus i hate to wait over 5 minutes because i cant get a bloody D game. But thats just me. I only play ums and the extremely casual 1v1. Plus i dont have the stamina to endure more than 3 games, which is a problem. I remember i used to play at least 10 games a day omg.
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United States3573 Posts
I never understood people being unable to stop a video game, uninstall it and get rid of your disks. If you tried this and failed it's probably because you quit sc and just sat there, not filling it with another hobby, then your unimaginative mind thought sc was the only thing to do again.
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Smurf into a bad east team and reign king when your frustrated of losing. Then go back over. East is the casual part of your drive and Euro/West whatever can be the competition part.
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lol, dude it's seriously not that hard to quit. Just find something better to do with your time rather than playing SC. You just have to fill in that time void, like I said it's not that hard get a job, read a book, go for a run, just keep your mind busy.
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I'm in exactly the same position, and understand you perfectly. I guess you just have to learn to appreciate playing teh game even without getting better quickly. And try to not be too upset about the stupid misstakes you are bound to do without regular practice.
Also, if you are in the european timezone I'd be fun to play a few games when both of us have time.
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yes, getting a job helps greatly!. You use your free time and get money at the same time!
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Job does not help.
I tried to quit soooooo many times, and every time, I played even more after I quit just to get to where I was before I quit (and better due to the time investment).
It's hard to quit >.<
Job doesn't help, GF doesn't help. You just end up losing sleep -_-;;
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