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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 04 2007 14:28 GMT
#21
"I am genuinely curious to know if you are depressed. I hope you aren't, but if you are, maybe you should talk about it directly."

I have accurately described how things seem to me. Adding a label like "depression" wouldn't add or change anything even if it was a perfect fit. So I'm not sure what you mean by "talking about it directly." If by that, you mean "do you feel shitty or sad" (which is not what I understand depression to necessarily be anyways), then the answer is no. If I can be more direct please let me know what you are talking about.

And I guess no one wants to put their balls on the table and tell me what exactly they think is unclear so we can figure this out together. Sure I used more words or syllables at times than absolutely necessary, but chopping things down from what is natural to some 4th grade speak so that they can be read in USA today is not worth the effort in my experience. And this is the internet. I am posting shit lazily--not exactly heavy editing going on here.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-04 17:51:18
December 04 2007 16:52 GMT
#22
Depression is generally apathy towards life. It can be sadness or feeling bad, or it can be not feeling at all. It sounds like you feel nothing at all about your life.

On December 04 2007 10:26 lugggy wrote:

I. The start
A. Thought it would be cool to answer a college entrance question as though it were a real question, since I h8 education etc.
B. The Q. that will be faced is "Choose an issue of importance to you - ..."
What do you mean as if it was a real question? It is a real question. Even though you may not think it's a good one, it's still possible to extract some information about a person's character from the answer they give (phony, honest, thoughtful, superficial, logical, etc.)

What does it have to do with hating eduction, and why do you hate education. You'd probably get denied right off the bat for making that statement without expanding on it in any way.

II{
Let me be candid and be clear right from the start, and testify as to my understanding of the question before giving an answer: many people use the general cloud of "meaningfulness" words (in the above prompt, for instance, "importance" and "significance" are used in this manner) to signify a sort of flavor or "tag" on certain events, ideas, theories, problems, etc. I am not arrogant enough to assume that all these people when they say this mean the same thing.}
Fair enough, but I think the question implies this already. They want you to describe what "significance" means to you.


II. The words in the question, mean many things to many people, and also not necessarily anything to me in this context. Have to completely ignore this to answer the question, as this issue is too much to tackle in books, let alone a single short essay.
Are you saying the reader has to do this or you (the writer has to), and why? It seems to me that explaining what "importance" means to you is a reasonable request and it's quite possible to do within an essay.

Have to pretend to not know this, have to pretend you are a child. So the question is asking me to put on a child mask and make child words.
Again, why? By "child mask", do you mean you have to answer the question with ignorance and innocence?
Contrast this with the supposed seriousness of the question and the process.
Not a fault of the question itself. Many people give shitty answers, but it's quite possible to give an honest, in-depth answer.
Yet what can I produce for this question any other way? Anyways...
I'm not sure what this means.

III{
What I know is that people do things. Significance to me, is in the doing.
Alright, we've got a thesis.
[quote]How one spends their life really signifies significance. How they talk, is something else. Maybe it is another kind of significance, but I am not prepared to argue one vs. the other or some amalgamation of the two in any way. So for instance, if someone says that population control is super important, I say, look at their life. Fourty hours a week working at Starbucks, 3.5 hours a week jacking off, $500 a year donated to whatever charity--equals what, in terms of what must be important to them?[quote]Obviously there's a problem with saying "signifies significance."

You actually do argue one versus the other. You're saying that there is a clear difference between what people say is important to them and what's actually important to them in their lives. The Starbucks worker says that a political issue is important to them, but their life would largely be the same that issue didn't exist. What is important to them is their job, the jacking off, etc. It sounds like you're hinting that "doing" is greater than "saying." No disagreement here, that is a very sound sentiment.
[quote] Obviously the calculus need go much further than that, but I hope you can figure out what I'm getting at here, so I can move on.[/quote]The sentence is just unclear. Do you mean something like, "obviously you can take it further than that, such as breathing is very important to the Starbucks worker" ?
[quote]
In summary, I'm a skeptic when it comes to "importance" or "significance." Let what people do, speak for itself. [/quote]Talk doesn't impress you. [quote]I'm sitting here typing this, pretending it is so I can impress you and get into college. Lofty "issues" are miles away from this project and it is a pretense to pretend any "issue" in the sense you must mean, "personal, school related, local, political, or international in scope" means fuckall to me.}[/quote]I disagree. Like the Starbucks worker, there's plenty of important issues right in front of you. Maybe not some bullshit like population control, but there is something. Learning, working hard, music, expression, camaraderie, OnGamenet Starleague, etc.
[quote]
III. What can the question possibly mean to me?
A. I state how little I can say about what "I know", to contextualize this pursuit of "explaining the signifiance of the issue". You may notice I have failed to even choose an issue yet. How can I choose an issue in the face of all these problems with the prompt to choose an issue and perform X Y Z with it? Therefore my issue is to go over all these problems with the task, which I cannot even begin to complete in the words allotted. Again, were I to take the voice that is taught in the public chatter, I could easily pretend and start spouting out some narrative. But the whole idea here was to really be honest.[/quote] rewritten ->
I point out how little I (or anyone) understands "significance" to show how frivolous it is to "explain the significance of the issue." So, my issue of importance is the problems within your question itself. I could easily spout off cliches and nonsense like you normally receive, but I'm being honest and I believe your question is seriously deficient.
[quote]
B. I try to give some rudimentary thoughts on why the expected (and possible) responses to this prompt will be utterly dishonest--because they ignore so much. I could only write about some "important" issue feeling utterly false and self conscious, and I think I make it clear why. Because my life does not reflect anything like that. I'm not tithing, I'm not donating, I'm not "keeping up" on "what's important", or "participating" in "important discussions." Even elections I may become somewhat informed in before I vote, I hardly think the outcome is important, let alone my vote. I have no participation to speak of, so no importance to speak of. In fact the most important thing in my week probably right now is this very post. So I am forced to lie to answer a question like this one, and this is what I am getting at here.
[/quote]This is the disturbing part about your essay. You seem uncommitted and unattached to everything.

[quote]So I don't have a definitive assumption to make the meaning of this question (in any honest form) clear at all. [/quote]Again, the writing is unclear. I think you mean "so to be honest, there is no important issue to talk about in my life."

[quote]
Pollution, child homelessness, dog rape, are stories on the news that maybe should make me shed an emo tear, or donate dimes for children without legs. IDK and I'm not going to know. Maybe I'm a bastard for not sorting through the ocean of these types of things out there. Maybe my life is entirely oriented in an immoral fashion. But again, no room to get into that here. Gonna try to figure out what morality is, where it comes from, what we should do about it? That isn't even an issue for our times. That one is long since dead. [/quote]Morality is never a dead issue, and you do need to sort those things out for yourself. It doesn't bother you when people die?

[quote]V{
Maybe it "feels" like it means more, and maybe in some of the games we play with speaking, "it does." For instance people will argue that what is important is what saves the most lives, or prolongs their life or certain people the most, or what makes people feel most compelled to act, or to cry "ought," or to cry. Maybe "it's important" to figure out which of these games yield "true results", or what that means. Whatever. But such a reality is not reflected in anything I do. I hereby take my own arbitrary stance on the meaning of "importance"--that it is the substance behind actions (and decisions, in the sense that they even exist).}[/quote]I think that's a fair assessment, but all of those things ARE the substances behind actions.
[quote]
VI{
The only issue at play for me is this very issue of "importance." Does "importance" exist, or is it just the shadow of actual being? For, we easily see what people do. Is "significance" then just like a shadow of what really happens and exists, following it along? People brush their teeth. Saying it's important for them to do it seems somehow, just tautological and meaningless. But this seems to be necessary from my conception of importance. [/quote]The first part is just weird.

People take things like brushing their teeth for granted, but they are important like you said.

[quote]Yet if we take other options for the idea, then "importance" becomes "ought yet naught", equally frivolous.[/quote]No clue...

[quote] Just think about it: whatever we're doing right, isn't seen as important, and whatever "needs attention" and "needs fixing" is important, in such a case. It's just about needs. Aren't the needs already met equally important? The concept becomes useless and we are reduced to figuring out which saves the most money, children, sperm, seconds of suffering pain at such and such a level, whatever. Or arguing over which is what we must save, increase, reduce, etc.}[/quote]So people notice deficiencies more than anything else. This is human nature, but the things are still important to us if we're honest about it. How is the concept useless?
[quote]
VII{
I believe I have explained the issue of meaning or "importance or significance", a personal "issue", to myself, which seems to be what you asked. [/quote]So importance is simply "doing" - the things that sustain our every day life - and the motivations behind our actions?

[quote]If this fails to meet your expectations you have only yourself to blame for not writing better questions.}
[/QUOTE]Hoho, there's certainly tons of blame to be tossed your way if your response doesn't appease them.
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nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
December 04 2007 17:21 GMT
#23
I think I understood the essay. I don't even disagree with it entirely. I just don't understand the "why" behind it. It didn't seem to me to be an answer to the prompt, it also seemed so cynical, and because it was so cynical and simultaneously NOT a response to the prompt, it also came across as arrogant (as if you are "special" because you could critique the question itself.) Just being honest here: I think if your entrance to college hinged on my judgement of your essay, you would not get in. Why? Because it seems like you are more interested in being critical than being constructive. Criticism for it's own sake is... unpleasant and useless (for others to hear, anyway.) Much better to see idealistic young people fall short of their ideals than to see someone who has a pessimistic, apathetic, and cynical outlook.

Ok, more on the topic of depression, I am curious to know why it is that you don't seem to have more aspirations or something meaningful to talk about (in response to the prompt.) I mean, it's one thing if you were responding in an attempt to be humorous, but another thing altogether if you are serious. It's as if you believe in nothing. Why is that? The Universe is so grand... so full of potential. You can take your pick of amazing things to believe in and care about!

I'm not telling you what to do or feel, just expressing my puzzlement.

Perhaps the fact that you have posted such an essay can be a learning experience, of sorts, for us all.
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nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
December 04 2007 17:23 GMT
#24
Infact, I would be more open to a young person expressing the desire to FIND something meaningful to care about, even if they presently don't at the moment. Just the idea that someone is open to meaning and inspiration seems much more positive than a critique of meaningfulness and a strong expression of apathy.
Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
December 04 2007 17:32 GMT
#25
boring and uninspired
disassembling values can be fun if done right, but unfortunately your essay is not as smart as you would like it to be

judging from your attitude you don't care anyway, so there is no need to elaborate any further
@riotsnowbird
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-04 18:36:57
December 04 2007 18:35 GMT
#26
On December 05 2007 01:52 Jibba wrote:
Depression is generally apathy towards life. It can be sadness or feeling bad, or it can be not feeling at all. It sounds like you feel nothing at all about your life.

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On December 04 2007 10:26 lugggy wrote:

I. The start
A. Thought it would be cool to answer a college entrance question as though it were a real question, since I h8 education etc.
B. The Q. that will be faced is "Choose an issue of importance to you - ..."
What do you mean as if it was a real question? It is a real question. Even though you may not think it's a good one, it's still possible to extract some information about a person's character from the answer they give (phony, honest, thoughtful, superficial, logical, etc.)

What does it have to do with hating eduction, and why do you hate education. You'd probably get denied right off the bat for making that statement without expanding on it in any way.

The backstory, and esp. my summary of it, is not part of the essay, and this essay is not any part of applying to college in a real or fictitious way. I thought this much was clear by now.

That was me offerring some notes on the essay. Not adding to it. My essay doesn't say I hate education, nor is the topic anything to do with why I do. Nor do I really hate education.

When I said I would respond to it as though it were a real question, that means responding to the question as only the question it is and not as part of the task of applying to a university. If you were asked at a job interview to explain what leadership means to you, your answer will certainly be different than how you would answer the question really as only that question, "in real life" if you will--"for yourself" or "for real" or "honestly". Same thing if your woman asks you what love means.

More later.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-31 01:53:15
December 31 2007 01:43 GMT
#27
had a blast reading through this discussion.


On December 04 2007 10:26 lugggy wrote:
I try to give some rudimentary thoughts on why the expected (and possible) responses to this prompt will be utterly dishonest--because they ignore so much. I could only write about some "important" issue feeling utterly false and self conscious, and I think I make it clear why. Because my life does not reflect anything like that. I'm not tithing, I'm not donating, I'm not "keeping up" on "what's important", or "participating" in "important discussions." Even elections I may become somewhat informed in before I vote, I hardly think the outcome is important, let alone my vote. I have no participation to speak of, so no importance to speak of. In fact the most important thing in my week probably right now is this very post. So I am forced to lie to answer a question like this one, and this is what I am getting at here.
I can relate to that, but...
On December 05 2007 01:52 Jibba wrote:
This is the disturbing part about your essay. You seem uncommitted and unattached to everything.
what jibba says about the first quote just makes me rethink of MY view on "important" things.
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